the league has fined teams for mass benching players for national TV games but they’d never be able to ratchet up to a price that actually mattered
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:36 (one year ago) link
you could also pretty easily incentivize at the team level to play guys this is all a question of when you turn on TNT or ESPN or go to the arena do you know that the stars on each team are actually going to be playing. so yeah if we go by what the owners want paying bonuses for playing in scheduled games would never happen… we also wouldn’t have free agency and the players would be flying coach on southwest. most of the owners would be happy not even hitting the salary floor. practically speaking what the owners want does matter of course, but again this is an existential discussion about the point of the sport that is best off with little input from the owners who would be happy to just outright steal their customers money if they could. the league and the owners combined could come up with such a bonus system and barely make a scratch on their own bottom lines
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:37 (one year ago) link
you could also pretty easily incentivize at the team level to play guys
ok so why haven't i heard any proposals to do it this way?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:40 (one year ago) link
but also, all this talk of incentivizing anyone to play somewhere in the area of 82 games keeps missing the point. the regular season has too many games!
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 03:48 (one year ago) link
I thought this was interesting from a recent article I read about this stuff:
At the end of the 1989-90, Stern was fining teams for resting players. On the last day of that season, the Lakers chose to rest James Worthy and Magic Johnson against the Blazers for a nationally televised game, even though the Lakers and Portland were locked into their playoff seeds (Portland ended up winning by 42). Jerry Buss actually apologized for the resting, though Pat Riley was defiant that it wasn’t worth the risk stating that he had “an obligation to our management” to protect his stars. The NBA said the fine was “for failing to play two healthy players who are normally starters.” Riley had fought this battle before. In 1985, the Lakers were also fined for not playing Magic or Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in a season-ender against the Kings.
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 04:24 (one year ago) link
but it’s not like players are refusing to play, right? it’s teams and coaches choosing to rest their playoffs.
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:28 PM (one hour ago)
agree w/ jordan that it’s case by case, which is why I really don’t think a bonus system is going to move the needle here. kawhi isn’t getting out of bed for a few extra bucks to play in a random tuesday night TNT game, and the team obviously isn’t going to care if their star does or doesn’t get a bonus. (I assume you’d have to not make this count for the cap.) this is really why the only real solution is to address the root cause and just to reduce the number of games
which is why if you’re going to avoid actually addressing the problem you’d do better imo by disincentivizing players from missing too many games while also making sure the owners don’t benefit from that. you miss more than 10 games, you forfeit a game check for each additional game you miss but get a payout from the insurance pool which is financed by those forfeited salaries and by luxury taxes. the players full salary still counts against the cap to discourage teams from paying players under the table to miss games. also deals with malcontents like kyrie or jae crowder. at the end of the season the surplus from the pool goes to rookies or to some charitable cause or something
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:11 (one year ago) link
obviously there are a lot of holes in this proposal, for example how to do treat end of the bench guys who are suiting up but not getting run, obviously they shouldn’t be penalized. (though maybe their insurance pool payouts are actually bigger than their usual game checks.)
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:19 (one year ago) link
just ban zones again. less movement on defense, less stress on everyones joints, and the stars get to cook. everyone wins.
― micah, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:20 (one year ago) link
the answer is fewer games of course but that ain't happening.
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 05:28 (one year ago) link
lmao get a grip
NBA Commissioner Adam Silver unveils streaming experience of the future via the NBA App - and you can be in it! pic.twitter.com/FKYJvskf0H— NBA (@NBA) February 17, 2023
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Friday, 17 February 2023 21:00 (one year ago) link
that is.....something
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 February 2023 21:08 (one year ago) link
lol thats pretty funny
― lag∞n, Friday, 17 February 2023 21:43 (one year ago) link
rashad has hella vertical for his age impressive
― Clay, Friday, 17 February 2023 22:05 (one year ago) link
gonna be a lot of people scanning their dicks for this
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 18 February 2023 02:22 (one year ago) link
As long as there's such vast sums of money at stake the league is going to tinker with every aspect of the "product" to maximize its profits and growth potential, while the teams, coaches and players will game every change to the system every way they can think of to maximize benefits to themselves. Pro sports are a very pure form of capitalism in that way.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 18 February 2023 03:44 (one year ago) link
With #NBA as our first professional sports league partner, we will bring select live @NBA games to fans in #SharedReality at our immersive entertainment venues in LA & Dallas, with more venues to come, bringing fans together in person & closer to the game.https://t.co/5uVWs820mz pic.twitter.com/aTsKd6klUv— Cosm (@experiencecosm) February 17, 2023
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 18 February 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link
so like…. an annoying movie theatre?
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 February 2023 15:37 (one year ago) link
love to have an immersive entertainment experience
― lag∞n, Saturday, 18 February 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link
Do you want a mid-season tournament? DeRozan: “I love hooping, man. I play in the summer, every summer, for free. Midseason? I’m all for it.”
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link
How many games should a player have to play to be MVP? DeRozan: “All of them. All 82.”
Mikal bridges MVP.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link
Sunday’s NBA All-Star Game was the lowest rated and least-watched edition of the game, per @paulsen_smw • Ratings declined 29% and viewership 27% from last year’s All-Star Game• The record-low audience places the NBA All-Star Game well behind this year’s NFL Pro Bowl•… https://t.co/7vjNs9pe8B pic.twitter.com/sZ2jJXdXur— NBACentral (@TheNBACentral) February 22, 2023
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:08 (one year ago) link
with the glut of talent the league has right now, the product is not ideal
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:15 (one year ago) link
not headed in a good direction. theres a lot to figure out.
they have no idea how to market the international stars either.
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:19 (one year ago) link
my three point (ha) plan to save the nba
1 reduce number of games to 582 limit number of uniform designs to 3, all in team colors throwbacks excepted, return to home white road color scheme, no nickname jerseys are allowed "the city" is grandfathered in tho3 widen court so the three point line is a uniform 23-9 and there is space to shoot without stepping out of bounds all the time
that should pretty much do it, please dont respond saying this will never happen because thats a loser mentality, the nba needs these three big ideas very much
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link
ok also
4. dial the officiating back a bit let em play a lil rougher
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:35 (one year ago) link
addendum to 2 no alterante courts
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:38 (one year ago) link
also they should euthanize shaq
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link
that all star game did really feel like a new low in real time i still think the saturday events are pretty fun, they need to get creative w sunday and figure something else out. it would honestly be more fun watching those guys play horse or do trick shots then what that game was
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:48 (one year ago) link
it was so bad
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:49 (one year ago) link
I like the cray jerseys. Bring back sleeves.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:54 (one year ago) link
mods
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:55 (one year ago) link
ban jeff
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 19:08 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, February 22, 2023 11:35 AM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i think they should just ref it how they do in the playoffs, it really shouldnt be two different sports between the two and yet.
that all star game did really feel like a new low in real time
i still think the saturday events are pretty fun, they need to get creative w sunday and figure something else out. it would honestly be more fun watching those guys play horse or do trick shots then what that game was
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 22, 2023 1:48 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
I am pretty certain they’d take 3 on 3 a lot more seriously
― k3vin k., Thursday, 23 February 2023 00:43 (one year ago) link
If it was post-season like the probowl instead of a couple months before the playoffs then injury worries wouldn't be as big a factor. Of course, a lot of the best players would be pretty gassed by then. Another argument for shortening the season.
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 23 February 2023 01:49 (one year ago) link
i was reading something where they pointed out that picking the teams right before the game is completely insane if you want a competitive game, no one has time to even think about who they're playing with. i would get rid of that, get rid of the elam ending, simplify the voting and try to start over.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:00 (one year ago) link
shorten the game too
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:02 (one year ago) link
have they tried begging the players to care
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:04 (one year ago) link
i mean it's completely doomed as a concept but they've also just been stepping on a lot of their own rakes recently
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link
Just play the game in 2K
― Jeff, Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:05 (one year ago) link
i think just like two years ago was a fun game?
― four square ups... no punches thrown (Spottie), Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:09 (one year ago) link
They should add an all-2k twitch game. Ayton would be the perennial captain in the west. Who would it be in the east? Simmo the Savage?
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:44 (one year ago) link
They could also try playing by North Korean rules
― Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 23 February 2023 02:50 (one year ago) link
haha ok
Among the most critical issues, the NBA and NBPA are negotiating new luxury-tax tiers and rates to increase the lower tier and make it more viable for teams to spend money into the tax. As salaries continue to increase across the league, increasing the lower tax bracket tier allows the tax tiers to match up with the money being spent.
Sources: The NBA and NBPA are progressing in talks on reaching a new Collective Bargaining Agreement.Full story at @TheAthletic on key issues such as luxury tax brackets, one-and-done rule, player extension limits and more: https://t.co/OPe3lC3hIC— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 27, 2023
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 February 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link
this one is funny who wants it exactly
Lowering the age eligibility for the NBA Draft to 18 years old, which would effectively end the one-and-done system in college basketball. The NBA and NBPA have momentum on an agreement to terms that would lower the age to 18 for the draft, but sources say the union is pushing for conditions that would facilitate veteran players providing tutelage and orientation to the high schoolers entering the league. The players union wants to maintain the presence of veteran players and not allow newcomers to replace them, especially in the cases of teams with high school prospects who enter the NBA.
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 February 2023 15:43 (one year ago) link
anytime you have an opportunity to use the world tutelage you gotta do it
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 27 February 2023 15:49 (one year ago) link
the tax tiers thing is actually a pretty big flaw right now, the tiers need to be adjusted on the fly as salaries increase.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:02 (one year ago) link
they calculate it anew every year no
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:05 (one year ago) link
i think they’re referring to the actual amount of money between the tiers which iirc is only $5 million even though average player salary is now i think north of 10. they want to make it so signing one guy doesn’t blow right through the first tier.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 27 February 2023 16:25 (one year ago) link