2022/23 NBA REGULAR SEASON THREAD "TANKING FOR WEMBANYAMA"

for sure a guy that can kill your team singlehandedly on any given night

looking at some of the publicly available advanced stat numbers (real plus minus, 538 raptor) and he still rates as a helpful player bcuz of his defense

if you classify him as a SF he’s still far above replacement level. if you wanna look for some actual replacement level wings the rest of memphis’ roster will give you a good selection

yeah he takes a ton of pressure off ja

i think i would hate him if i rooted for memphis bcuz he def does shoot too much & overall just seems like an annoying guy. but he's gonna check the best ball handler on other teams and is pretty good at it, basically by definition that kinda guy is valuable to each individual team in the league

the fact that he doesnt understand his ideal offensive role, low usage outlet guy, is troubling tho

obvs some parallels to marcus smart who had some of the worst shot selection ive ever seen when he came into the league but has since figured it out cause hes a smart player, brooks is kind of a dumb smart if you will

for this season

RPM

brooks - 1.47 (99th overall)
smart - 1.26 (105th overall)

538 raptor

brooks - 2.5 (T-79th overall)
smart - 2.6 (T-76th overall)

win shares per 48

brooks - .033 (176th overall)
smart - .101 (100th overall)

win shares hates brooks apparently but the other two stats would tell you they've basically been the same player this year. i think w/ these guys in particular since their value is so slanted towards defense there's a lot of noise w/ their numbers as far as these catch all stats go... they're certainly not gospel. i think most ppl would still rather take marcus bcuz he's a decidedly better offensive player. brooks is more of a wing on the other hand, can prob hold up better against true wing stars than marcus. but yeah, it's the same kinda guy

tbf those stats are worthless tho

would any team take two dillion brooks over marcus idk i wouldnt

tho tbf that considers the fact that brooks has not the ideal mental makeup

i don't think they're worthless, but they're more guideposts than anything. i think it's interesting to check your perceptions against those numbers. i think smart is the better player... brooks isn't bad though. again i wouldn't wanna root for him but at the end of the day that defense does matter. i would prob have two versions of dillon brooks than one marcus smart, yeah.

his three point shooting has gone in the tank but early in his career he was in the mid 30s and even this year he's still shooting about 80% from the line. maybe he'll find his shot again

can prob hold up better against true wing stars than marcus

― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 2, 2023 1:10 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk marcus is maybe the best player at guarding up in the league but i wouldnt want either of them on a leet wing other that switches or spot duty

brooks has 3 inches and 25 pounds on marcus, that has to matter to some degree, probably. or maybe not.

brooks would never make the pass that marcus made to tatum in game 1 of the nets series last year. the mental side of it does matter, brooks is a hot head and not in a good way most of the time. but a guy who regularly checks the best ball handler w/ the kind of intensity he brings to the game... i think every team is gonna love having that kinda guy around even if he has obvious warts to his game

yeah marcus is a very good playmaker, tho his lack of scoring hurts that somewhat, the benefits of brooks game are pretty easy to see but on the other hand it wouldnt be that hard to pick up a comparable better player, defensive specialist guard isnt a super hot type, brooks does have skills beyond that but at least right now hes not really applying them

and hes very clearly a weird vibes guy fwiw

teammates seem to like him. would be hard to see that team having the f u edge without him.

his three point shooting has gone in the tank but early in his career he was in the mid 30s and even this year he's still shooting about 80% from the line. maybe he'll find his shot again

― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 2, 2023 11:16 AM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

its really just shot selection, you watch them play and hes got at least 4-5 shots per game that leave you scratching your head. lots of weird floaters, contested threes. warriors basically let him hoist in the playoffs, think the grizz won a game cos he was hitting but you play those odds every time in 7 game series.

i respect it but this is clearly a weird guy look

Grizzlies are 0-4 since this Dillon Brooks fit pic.twitter.com/xBjrRXImMT

— 𝕞𝕒𝕟𝕠 〰️ (@MANOMAGlC) January 26, 2023

u have to click through to the jeans to get the full presentation

yes haha i saw that fit. he has elite weird guy energy

this is easily my favorite bron performance

Bron was just trying shit lmfao pic.twitter.com/4IDgLsL3eX https://t.co/pcQqP6KjXL

— Bron got fouled (@onlytaron) February 1, 2023

less weird than i was expecting tbh but i'm no expert on Fit Theory

brooks is a top 5 wing defender

idk hes top ten in fouls jaden mcdaniels is the only non big man ahead of him https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/fouls-personal

fouling is really bad tho its obvs not the be all end all but do you really trust dillon brooks to do the right thing to make the right play do you trust him do you trust dillon brooks

top 5 wing defender bottom 5 offender

brooks is top ten in fouls because that's an important part of his game and he knows it. he can't succeed in guarding the best players by relying on pure athleticism, so he's always right on the edge of fouling them and often crossing the line. smart otoh relies more on anticipation and less on physicality.

fouling is just bad tho if he cant guard without fouling its bad

hes got great defenders behind him too

idk hes top ten in fouls jaden mcdaniels is the only non big man ahead of him https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/fouls-personal

― lag∞n, Friday, 3 February 2023 6:07 AM

well jalen is a top three wing defender so there is a correlation there

in fact the non bigs at the top of that list are pretty consistently their teams best wing defender and a selection of great defenders in general

dave chappelle is like two steps away from that dillon brooks look, it won’t be long imo

Dillon Brooks with the "GTA San Andreas NPC" fit

also lol at lebron basically playing h-o-r-s-e in a live nba game

He owned the raptors so hard

2022-23 NBA West All-Star reserves: Ja Morant, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Damian Lillard, Jaren Jackson Jr., Domantas Sabonis, Lauri Markkanen, Paul George.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 3, 2023

2022-23 NBA East All-Star reserves: Joel Embiid, Jaylen Brown, Bam Adebayo, Julius Randle, DeMar DeRozan, Jrue Holiday, Tyrese Haliburton.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) February 3, 2023

cant believe julius randle has made two all star teams its not right

julius randle over jimmy butler you simply have to laugh

wow jrue with the 10 year gap between appearances (2013/2023) has to be on a short list

also rip james "the beard" harden, a regular nba player

julius randle over jimmy butler you simply have to laugh

― J0rdan S., Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:55 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

jules nyet jim

wow jrue with the 10 year gap between appearances (2013/2023) has to be on a short list

As others have noted, Jrue Holiday's 10 years between All-Star appearances is the longest gap in NBA history. I have the previous record as six years shared by Johnny Green (1965 to 1971) and Bernard King (1985 to 1991). https://t.co/fJ4I8kjhA3

— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) February 3, 2023

wow jrue with the 10 year gap between appearances (2013/2023) has to be on a short list

As others have noted, Jrue Holiday's 10 years between All-Star appearances is the longest gap in NBA history. I have the previous record as six years shared by Johnny Green (1965 to 1971) and Bernard King (1985 to 1991). https://t.co/fJ4I8kjhA3

— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) February 3, 2023

wow jrue with the 10 year gap between appearances (2013/2023) has to be on a short list

As others have noted, Jrue Holiday's 10 years between All-Star appearances is the longest gap in NBA history. I have the previous record as six years shared by Johnny Green (1965 to 1971) and Bernard King (1985 to 1991). https://t.co/fJ4I8kjhA3

— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) February 3, 2023

ah, lovely zing…

butler not making it is comical

not really sure what jrue has done this season that he hasn't done in a lot of other seasons but i'm glad he's the answer to a trivia question now.

harden really should have gotten in

yeah its kinda messed up that harden did what everyone wanted by playing less selfish his teams is thriving and he got rewarded by getting kicked out of the all star game lol

makes sense

Just so people know, a lot of coaches do not care about picking the all-star reserves. I've been in coaches meetings where they spent five minutes putting their selections in.

Think about it, they are more locked in on their team and their upcoming opponents. It is what it is.

— Mo Dakhil (@MoDakhil_NBA) February 3, 2023

sounds like literally no one would care then if they removed the coaches from the process so we should probably get on that

let the media folks do it imo