i disagree, i think we need to reintroduce superstition and vibes based stats, rationalism is dead
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Sunday, 27 November 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
in some ways it’s the only stat that truly matters the problem is it’s too hard to separate out one players impact esp in small samples
― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 November 2022 23:10 (one year ago) link
i mean otherwise known as…. the score
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 27 November 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
I mean it’s the score that happens when you’re in the game, in theory it should be very useful, in practice it depends a lot on coaching decisions and the quality of your teammates and opponents
― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 November 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
for example the nuggets are +0.7 pts/100 possessions this season as a team, which is obviously thoroughly mediocre, but it’s probably worth noting that they’re +15.7 with nikola jokic on the floor and -11.9 with him on the bench
― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 November 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link
tho obviously part of that is the nuggets bench being somewhat trash, the lineups jokic plays etc. these are the sorts of things they try to account for in the advanced +/- stats like RPM and RAPTOR with varying degrees of success
― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 November 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
like if you think about it it’s the ideal stat, the whole point of playing basketball is to score more points than the other team, things like points per game percentages etc are just surrogates. but in reality it’s hard to isolate the true impact on scoring differential
― k3vin k., Sunday, 27 November 2022 23:33 (one year ago) link
Plus minus over a small sample doesn’t tell much but over a big stretch can tell you a lot about a player
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 28 November 2022 00:53 (one year ago) link
idk its pretty noisy even over a whole season, including the adjusted versions
― lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2022 00:55 (one year ago) link
Zubac tonight:31 PTS 29 RBS 3 BLK 14/17 FGHe and Kareem alone as the only two in history to put up that line. Zu has been an absolute monster on both ends this season pic.twitter.com/fWy8Y6KcC9— NBA University (@NBA_University) November 27, 2022
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 28 November 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link
croatians winning everywhere
― symsymsym, Monday, 28 November 2022 03:42 (one year ago) link
quarter through the season and there are six guys averaging 30+, seems like a lot
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 00:58 (one year ago) link
i’m still stuck on zubac putting up 31-29
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 29 November 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link
He’s doing some cp type stuff
Tyrese Haliburton’s last 3 games: 60 points, 40 assists, NO turnovers— Charlie Cummings (@klaytheist11) November 29, 2022
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Tuesday, 29 November 2022 07:46 (one year ago) link
Damn
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 09:13 (one year ago) link
yep except cp3 (or anyone else) has never done that
― micah, Tuesday, 29 November 2022 11:44 (one year ago) link
zu my guy
― “Cheeky cheeky!” she trills, nearly demolishing a roadside post (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link
jokic’s shooting stats this season are just absurd. up to .685 on twos
― k3vin k., Thursday, 1 December 2022 21:02 (one year ago) link
being very generous with lower bounds here or else the lists would just be jokic
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=players+with+25%25+usage+and+65%25+true+shooting+in+a+season+with+500+minutes+played
― k3vin k., Thursday, 1 December 2022 21:18 (one year ago) link
booker 51-4-6-1 in 31 minutes
20/25 fg 6/7 3s
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 22:47 (one year ago) link
Pj Washington 0/13 fg
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Sunday, 4 December 2022 04:25 (one year ago) link
Brow 55-17-3 blocks (22/30 fg, 2/3 3p, 9/9 ft)nice little piece of work
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 5 December 2022 03:23 (one year ago) link
i should add, that's 99 pts over the past 2 games, both wins. they're 8-2 in last 10.
i am happy that AD can still ball but i need my lakers schadenfreude fix, it's been like multiple weeks
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 5 December 2022 03:27 (one year ago) link
Yah this sucks
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 5 December 2022 03:41 (one year ago) link
dude that nuts salute to brow i always believed in him
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 03:51 (one year ago) link
jose alvarado 38pts in 27mins off the bench
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 05:26 (one year ago) link
how can u not root for the guy, love that sneaky lil bastard
― slai gorgeous-alexander (m bison), Monday, 5 December 2022 05:27 (one year ago) link
hes awesome
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 05:28 (one year ago) link
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 5 December 2022 05:53 (one year ago) link
Also included a look at how we typically see traveling calls decrease after the first 20 games per team of the season, often dramatically so when it's a point of emphasis: https://t.co/u8AaJ0xcv1 (ESPN+) pic.twitter.com/VdOKqemXXf— Kevin Pelton (@kpelton) December 5, 2022
― lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2022 18:17 (one year ago) link
nba reffing is broken
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 5 December 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link
there is something fucked up about it for sure
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 5 December 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link
the fact that
- they have points of emphasis to start every season and then like 1/4 of the way through just scrap them
- there's such thing as a "superstar whistle" and "home whistle" and its not refuted
- the reffing is completely different for the playoffs vs the reg season
makes the whole thing a scam.
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 5 December 2022 19:25 (one year ago) link
imo star calls are the root of most ref problems. it introduces all this subjectivity - who is a star? how much leeway do they get? and then if refs feel they should be compensating based on the star factor, that compensation carries over to other parts of the current ref meta like lead management and makeup calls.
calling an nba game is already incredibly difficult and expecting refs to figure out all this other stuff on the fly is a recipe for shit. the league seems happy with the status quo tho
― micah, Monday, 5 December 2022 19:43 (one year ago) link
otm
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 5 December 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link
The Warriors (18.7) are averaging 7.9 fewer free throw attempts per game than their opponents (26.6) this season, the highest differential in the NBA. It would be a franchise record— Dalton Johnson (@DaltonJ_Johnson) December 5, 2022
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Monday, 5 December 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link
Leading Scorers By Zone. What Jumps Out? pic.twitter.com/NKWNRzCeRT— Kirk Goldsberry (@kirkgoldsberry) December 6, 2022
always love when we get the zonez
― Clay, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 01:04 (one year ago) link
The Efficiency Landscape. What Jumps Out? pic.twitter.com/8pd6MM0C0F— Kirk Goldsberry (@kirkgoldsberry) December 9, 2022
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 December 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link
Heat/Pacers/Hawks/Bulls/Raps/Sixers all chillin with competent D and bad O = lots of less than exciting games in the east
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 9 December 2022 14:08 (one year ago) link
cavs too
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 December 2022 14:09 (one year ago) link
Re: plus/minus as a stat a writer/podcaster i like a lot, Britt Robson, was talking about how he likes to clean up and recalculate the stat based on watching the game to eliminate free throw substitution points, like a player get subbed in and then the guy hits free throws that had nothing to do with the guy who just got subbed in
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 December 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link
i feel it’s on the same level or worse than Wins for pitchers, it depends on so much outside that player’s control. Pritchard and Kornet get heavy minuses just because they get thrown into garbage time with the end of the bench when the game is over and nobody’s trying
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 9 December 2022 15:56 (one year ago) link
well you can always go to adjusted plus minus (also bad) or real plus minus (still bad)
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 December 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link
no matter which catch all stat you look at whether its plus minus based or not theres always one role player who only dunks in there, stats are powerless against the famous dunk shot
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 December 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link
had no idea his shooting was that bad this season
Trae Young has only made 28.9% of his 3s this season, compared to 38.2% last year. And the 166-shot sample is getting large enough that it’s hard to write off as variance, @johnhollinger writes.A closer look at the struggles of the Hawks’ star: https://t.co/OBqTM12OUF pic.twitter.com/70FQu0GkZX— The Athletic NBA (@TheAthleticNBA) December 9, 2022
― im a beacon of light (Spottie), Friday, 9 December 2022 19:48 (one year ago) link
add that to being arguably the worst defensive player in the league, not good
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:51 (one year ago) link
But how many nutmegs per 36
― Jeff, Friday, 9 December 2022 19:56 (one year ago) link
idk if he shoots just a few more from the logo they might go in
― J0rdan S., Friday, 9 December 2022 20:15 (one year ago) link
Gets fouls called on the highest % of drives among qualifying players: 1. Giannis: 19.5%2. Banchero: 16.2%3. J. Grant: 14.6%4. LaVine: 14.1%5. Mathurin: 13.3%6. Zion: 12.9%7. Wall: 12.7%8. Siakam: 12.2%9. DeRozan: 12.0%10. J. Brown: 11.9%What stands out?— NBA University (@NBA_University) December 4, 2022
― Jeff, Friday, 9 December 2022 20:30 (one year ago) link
banchero and mathurin both so good right away, crazy
― lag∞n, Friday, 9 December 2022 20:35 (one year ago) link