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yeah those are reasonable points and obvs theres a lot we dont know about their working relationship like was she his subordinate and so forth, i dont think five games and being publicly reprimand is exactly a slap on the wrist, tens games idk, is one mans inability to keep it in his pants really creating this black air is responsible for amateur internet sleuthing and whatnot

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:27 (one year ago) link

if you have a company where people whisper that every woman might be fuckin the coach you may have bigger problems that may resist corporate legislation

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link

is one mans inability to keep it in his pants really creating this black air is responsible for amateur internet sleuthing and whatnot


well, yes. if ime hadn’t had an affair no one would be posting photos of random celtics women staffers on twitter speculating if they were the ones who had an affair with ime. that one seems pretty A->B to me.

i guess the celtics could have suspended him for “conduct detrimental to the team” or something but there’s no way they would have been able to keep the reason under wraps. there’s a concerted effort to make sports orgs more equitable and habitable places for women & if the celtics had tried to cover this up it wouldn’t have ended well for them. this all stems from decisions ime made & again he’s lucky they’re willing to stick this out with him and aren’t just kicking him to the curb.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link

lol yeah those corporate raiders are really doing him a favor god bless them

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link

i mean there may be some not entirely healthy societal forces at play here that were not caused by ime udoka idk

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:38 (one year ago) link

think they should just let him go tbh if the punishment is gonna be this severe anyway

ciderpress, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:40 (one year ago) link

the person who deleted her socials did appear to work on the basketball ops side--would be tough to make the case that the head coach isn't her superior

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:40 (one year ago) link

theyre cld be floating a year to make a show of how seriously theyre taking this then give him 20 games or something

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link

gerson rosas lost his job for doing this a year ago & nobody batted an eye, prob cuz he sucked at being a GM. if ime was steve clifford ppl would find it laughable that a team would be willing to suspend him for a year and take all the PR blowback associated with this whole mess in order to stick by him. he’s absolutely fortunate they aren’t canning him

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

you should write him an email

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:45 (one year ago) link

?? it’s ok ime will survive this horrible injustice of not being able to coach basketball for one year after having sex with a coworker. close your eyes and take deep breaths. picture jimmy butler’s three clanging off the rim

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:48 (one year ago) link

dont think im the one who needs to take deep breaths here

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:50 (one year ago) link

theyre cld be floating a year to make a show of how seriously theyre taking this then give him 20 games or something


see i actually think it’s the opposite. they saw what happened with the league and sarver. i think they leaked all this out to see if there would be a huge public backlash to them suspending him but not firing him, which it seems like there isn’t. but i don’t think they can rewind it back any further than a year long suspension if that’s what they put out there initially

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:51 (one year ago) link

dont think im the one who needs to take deep breaths here


i have no idea what the appropriate punishment is & i agree there’s no grave moral injustice in a consensual office affair, if it was fully consensual and non-coercive. i just think you’re really naive if you don’t understand why this is playing out in this fashion

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:53 (one year ago) link

if ime was steve clifford ppl would find it laughable that a team would be willing to suspend him for a year and take all the PR blowback associated with this whole mess in order to stick by him

not sure if this was your point but it doesn't seem to me like a grave injustice that one's actual job performance should factor into the equation when determining how many misdeeds your employer is willing to put up with/stand by you while you get your shit together

too much speculation in this thread without knowing the deets

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:54 (one year ago) link

i just think you’re really naive if you don’t understand why this is playing out in this fashion
― J0rdan S., Thursday, September 22, 2022 2:53 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

is it because of the illuminati

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 18:59 (one year ago) link

if they want to fire him for pr reasons fine go with god wyc grousbeck your name is literally pronounced wick you made your money working with mitt romney it is what it is, but i should not be made to care about their corporate human resources polices thats none of my business, but they will probably suspend him for one year because thats the stupidest possible outcome

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:04 (one year ago) link

ok ignoring you until this weird little attitude dissipates xp

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:05 (one year ago) link

not sure if this was your point but it doesn't seem to me like a grave injustice that one's actual job performance should factor into the equation when determining how many misdeeds your employer is willing to put up with/stand by you while you get your shit together


well, a lot of ppl would disagree with the idea that if you’re good enough at your job you should have more license to disrupt the workplace than ppl who are less good at their jobs. that certainly *is* the way the world works, but you could easily make the argument that it shouldn’t be how the world works. one could point to any number of tyrannical workplaces ran by very successful ppl to explain how the idea that “better” employees should get more leeway can be a disastrously slippery slope. you could find plenty of ppl with firsthand experience who would actually describe such a thing as a “grave injustice.” no idea how much any of this framework applies in this situation, but just speaking generally. and yes ime should consider himself lucky that his bosses perceive him to be a good enough coach that he is keeping his job in this instance

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link

ok ignoring you until this weird little attitude dissipates xp

― J0rdan S., Thursday, September 22, 2022 3:05 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.slashfilm.com/img/gallery/is-jim-the-villain-of-the-office-john-krasinski-thinks-so/l-intro-1659042139.jpg

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link

Thinking about this more and he absolutely would be fired if he hadn't just come off a Finals appearance, which makes the entire thing feel a little more icky/crass.

i need to put some clouds behind the reaper (PBKR), Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:14 (one year ago) link

Anyway, just want to ask someone more technologically inclined to dub "How do you like them applesvibes" over that scene from Good Will Hunting."

i need to put some clouds behind the reaper (PBKR), Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:17 (one year ago) link

my hot take is that corporate HR policies are actually good

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link

lol thats clearly not a defensible statement

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:29 (one year ago) link

i mean if you want to pick some out that you like thats fine

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:30 (one year ago) link

that’s a complicated one lol… corporate HR people work on behalf of satan, generally, or may actually be satan himself in some instances. i would say that workplace relationships involving subordinates are frowned upon for a good reason on a macro level.

it’s also prob not a coincidence that ppl like jeff zucker and gerson rosas who get pushed out of their orgs nominally for having workplace affairs also seem to be running dysfunctional workplaces in general

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

well yeah actual implementation is a different story but policy is useful as a mechanism for helping to ensure that the work environment doesn't backslide to 1963 due to offensive, harassing, or coercive behavior

call all destroyer, Thursday, 22 September 2022 19:59 (one year ago) link

i think we can all generally support anti mad men office policies, but corporate hr also includes rules like getting a formal warning for using the bathroom without management approval

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:02 (one year ago) link

m bison asleep on the job as we discuss this subject… suspicious

J0rdan S., Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:04 (one year ago) link

we need to hear from the authoritarian left on this

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

policy is useful as a mechanism for helping to ensure that the work environment doesn't backslide to 1963 due to offensive, harassing, or coercive behavior

^^^
A 2022 workplace without such policies would be a cesspool.

i need to put some clouds behind the reaper (PBKR), Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:26 (one year ago) link

idk about all that, maybe in finance

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:32 (one year ago) link

ultimately the rules are designed to protect the corporations not the humans, which ends up showing in a lot of their flaws

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:34 (one year ago) link

and obviously the power dynamics that allow people to harm others in those situations are created and fostered by the corporations

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:37 (one year ago) link

i mean robert sarver is 60 years old so its prob fair to assume he broke hr rules for decades without censure, because they werent for him

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 20:51 (one year ago) link

m bison asleep on the job as we discuss this subject… suspicious

― J0rdan S., Thursday, September 22, 2022 3:04 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

sry i cant surf the web during the day bc the youth of america depend on me

(lagoon uncharacteristically off tm itt, take off yr celtics glasses)

terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 22 September 2022 22:51 (one year ago) link

i dont want to thats the whole point, i would like to just watch a lil basketball and not have to deal with the minutiae of corporate hr and boning at work, its lame

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:09 (one year ago) link

but also im right, and if you disagree then youre neoliberal go watch a dvd of the west wing

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link

what's a dvd

Clay, Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link

clays down with the cause

lag∞n, Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:31 (one year ago) link

there it is, rip

pic.twitter.com/ySo5wGKrfX

— Boston Celtics (@celtics) September 23, 2022

lag∞n, Friday, 23 September 2022 01:25 (one year ago) link

and ime's statement for the record

NEW: Statement from Celtics coach Ime Udoka pic.twitter.com/MFutFx7c3l

— Malika Andrews (@malika_andrews) September 23, 2022

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 September 2022 01:52 (one year ago) link

seems super unlikely hell ever be back with the team year suspension is prob just to give the lawyers time to sort out the details

lag∞n, Friday, 23 September 2022 02:11 (one year ago) link

agreed, this is about working out a separation

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 September 2022 02:15 (one year ago) link

some wild rumors on twitter about what happened but idk im sure well get the details before long

lag∞n, Friday, 23 September 2022 02:18 (one year ago) link

alex cora did come back to the red sox after a year suspension but that was from the league not the team. so did sean payton but again same thing

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 September 2022 02:39 (one year ago) link

and obv those were on-field rules things, not this bullshit

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 September 2022 02:40 (one year ago) link

iirc the red sox fired cora before the league suspended him, but that whole situation was weird, seemed very planned out

lag∞n, Friday, 23 September 2022 02:41 (one year ago) link

not this bullshit

I think I'll wait to see how many more shoes drop before calling bullshit.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 23 September 2022 03:26 (one year ago) link

i think you misunderstand me or maybe you just didn't read back far enough

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 September 2022 03:37 (one year ago) link


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