i think this serves atlanta's short-term interest to be in the playoffs, i just dont know HOW much better this makes atl. mia, mil, bos, tor, phi all have an edge, bk still might fuck around and bring the team back. i had similar feelings about chicago's offseason last year.
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:08 (one year ago) link
that is just a lot for murray. were they even bidding against anyone?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:20 (one year ago) link
i'm pretty sure the spurs were like "oh you wanna trade us two unprotected first and another first from one of the sorriest franchises in the NBA for a borderline all star PG who can't shoot? ok."
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:21 (one year ago) link
Y’all act like they’re giving up lottery picks
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:23 (one year ago) link
hawks could easily be in the lottery in 25/27, thats still a few years off
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:25 (one year ago) link
yeah nobody knows what anything in the nba looks like in 2027 cmon, fortunes rise fortunes fall
― Clay, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:27 (one year ago) link
Ok huge mistake by the hawks. Very convincing guys
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:29 (one year ago) link
You’re such a hawk hater. In 25/27 the hawks will be a consistent top 4 seed. We’re looking at two picks that will be somewhere around 18-25. Plus the hawks are past that stage in the rebuild to give a shit about those picks― Heez, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 5:21 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is v optimistic given the presence of bos, mil, and the eternally competing miami heat, not to mention tor.
its a step forward to have another offensive initiator and an improved perimeter defender, but if theyve got capela/okongwu in the front court, their spacing has taken a hit.
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:08 (one year ago) link
They had one of the best offenses in the league. This dramatically improves their defense and I’m having a hard time believing that subbing Huerter for Murray is gonna hurt hem offensively
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:12 (one year ago) link
Right now they have:TraeMurrayBogdanovichCollins OkongwuCapelaHunterHuerterAnd a couple picks they’ve been developing. That’s a young team that will not get worse over the next 5 seasons
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:15 (one year ago) link
Anyway sure in these dark times I choose ~optimism~
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:19 (one year ago) link
Wolves Twitter is v upset we didn't get him
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:22 (one year ago) link
I have no idea if it would have been good or not
he's better than dlo, but not so much that it was worth trade 3 1RPs
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:37 (one year ago) link
its a steep price def but hes good young versatile player, think i wouldve liked this move better from a contender trying to put themselves over the top than from a middle of the pack team like the hawks
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:53 (one year ago) link
i kind of am a hawks hater... but have i been wrong about them? that's a different question.
i think this trade is defensible from the hawks perspective insofar as murray is grossly underpaid for two years and if they can use collins and some other pieces on the team to reshape their roster they will almost certainly end up as a better team. my point was more that for the spurs getting two unprotected picks and a pick from the hornets kinda makes it a no brainer of a decision from their POV. the pelicans got unprotected picks from the lakers for anthony davis and have already gotten a top 10 pick out of it and may get another one in 2024 or 2025. you could've easily made the same argument of "well these picks will never be lottery picks, i mean the lakers have lebron and AD!" aside from the quality of the picks the hawks also handcuffing themselves from trading picks in any other deal so they better have nailed their valuation of murray and their feel for how he will play with trae
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:57 (one year ago) link
protected picks are good for sure and the hawks are always one trae young injury from being deep in the lottery
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:01 (one year ago) link
from the spurs pov not only do they get those picks but their own picks become more valuable by trading their best player lol
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:02 (one year ago) link
think i wouldve liked this move better from a contender trying to put themselves over the top than from a middle of the pack team like the hawks
― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 7:53 PM (three minutes ago)
this trade reminds me a lot of the bulls making that vucevic deal, which was in effect three first round picks. it's a team in the 7/8/9 morass in the east trading their most valuable picks for the fringe all star off a bad team in order to vault into the 4/5/6 range of the east aka giving up a lot to get marginally better. murray is younger and probably better than vucevic but the effect feels the same to me. the bulls have already lost a top 10 pick in that deal which became franz wagner which is terrible for them and they don't have next year's pick either.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:03 (one year ago) link
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link
And what ever happened to homerism. It’s a bummer everyone likes to be all cool and analytical about the nba now
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:08 (one year ago) link
well were not hawks fans
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
i think hawks fans should be irrationally excited about getting a good young player but i'm not a hawks fan xxp hehe
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
― lag∞n, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:02 PM (three minutes ago)
hollinger implied on twitter (which i hadn't considered) that the side effect of doing this trade is the ability to tank for wembanyama. i wonder if after 6-7 years of trying to be a team that doesn't rebuild and fights to contend they looked at the results and also their history of success in the duncan era and were like, actually we need to be one of these franchises that tanks for a star and then goes from there
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:10 (one year ago) link
I mean your Celtics fandom is pretty mild
― Heez, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:09 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol hold deez leprechaun nuts hoe
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:11 (one year ago) link
actually we need to be one of these franchises that tanks for a star and then goes from there
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:10 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah and wembanyama looking extremely worth tanking for
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:13 (one year ago) link
Ha well played. Yeah spurs fans are all out for Victor. I think this is a war move by the spurs
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:14 (one year ago) link
War = wise
I’m gonna put the kids to bed, get baked and watch Murray highlights
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:15 (one year ago) link
i think the spurs FO looked at the next two years and said "we're gonna need to extend keldon johnson next year and then dejounte will get a max deal the year after that" and said "thats probably not a very good team with those two guys taking up almost half the cap". spurs apparently REALLY like josh primo *shrugs* and they have a million guards so hitting the reset button with a chance at landing a franchise player in 2023 (not just wembanyama, could be scoot, thompson twins, nick smith) while developing the youngest team in the league was the best way to avoid the play-in purgatory
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:16 (one year ago) link
yeah maybe draft an 80s synth pop band great idea
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
lmao amen and ausar are real ppl!
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:21 (one year ago) link
dj wont be as high usage with trae on the team (and presumably also having some other weapons like jc) so i dont think he's gonna average 21 pts or 9 asts a game like he did this past year. he had the ball in his hands A LOT, especially once derrick got traded. but he should still be very productive. he and hunter and okongwu will have some great defensive potential.
i think the best argument for the hawks making this trade is that giannis aside the bucks are getting old, the heat are pretty old or at least have an old star, the sixers have an old star and a 300 pound big man with terrible injury history, the nets are old, the bulls are pretty old. meanwhile trae is 23 and murray is 25. if the pairing works they still might not get out of round 1 the next few seasons, but perhaps in the next era of the east they have ample room to ascend into the top 3 or 4 teams. their cap should be pretty clean, all their big money deals are movable.
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:26 (one year ago) link
― Heez, Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:08 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it kind of is, but the fascinating/painful thing about the nba is how hard team building is. by making this move, the hawks have one more bullet in a collins trade. and that's probably their live or die team around trae young's prime.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link
spurs fans on twitter are having a conniption like this was the kawhi trade all over again. he was the spurs best player but they won 34 games and they got smoked by NO in the play-in. dj had a miserable game shooting (6 of 20 iirc). him playing second option on atl is a better role for him.
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:29 (one year ago) link
he and hunter and okongwu will have some great defensive potential.
― terence trent d'ilfer (m bison), Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:21 PM (four minutes ago)
there's something about the hawks and defense that almost transcends personnel to me, i wonder if it's a function of having your best player be someone who kinda doesn't care about defense and/or is flat out terrible at it. like their defensive personnel isn't great -- they're young and not very physically developed or imposing -- but there's some sort of root issue to the overall way they play basketball that i feel like is different from teams like boston, miami etc. they should certainly (hopefully) be better on defense but it feels like they need a whole attitude/cultural overhaul or something to me. will be curious to see how it plays out
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:31 (one year ago) link
They fuck up this year Nate’s toast
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:33 (one year ago) link
but there's some sort of root issue to the overall way they play basketball that i feel like is different from teams like boston, miami etc. they should certainly (hopefully) be better on defense but it feels like they need a whole attitude/cultural overhaul or something to me. will be curious to see how it plays out
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, June 29, 2022 8:31 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
heez, cover your ears.
they're soft as hell
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:36 (one year ago) link
lol i just watch a very analytical youtube on this trade and theres all these hawks fans in the comments like this deal is nothing less than an a+ three first round picks isnt a lot
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:37 (one year ago) link
twolves felt like that for years and then turned it around this year
― ciderpress, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:45 (one year ago) link
hawks trade for patbev challenge
― mookieproof, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
I guess as Boston sports fans you don’t have the situation of not being able to fill half a stadium most of your franchise’s history. I appreciate the irrational hawks fans. It’s nice to have folks onboard
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:04 (one year ago) link
On the other hand I’m a UGA grad and I couldn’t give a shot that they won a national championship
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:05 (one year ago) link
hey man i got to see the rise of the new england patriots from regional joke to regional deity, i totally get it
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:20 (one year ago) link
the patriots were the absolute pits
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:21 (one year ago) link
Y’all are the reason I don’t watch football anymore. Though I can’t really blame you former that one. The braves in the 90s was my jam but the relentless postseason losses burned me out. So now the hawks are all I got 🥲
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:22 (one year ago) link
hawks arent really a bad franchise they just have never been great and atl has never been a good basketball town, which are not unrelated points
― lag∞n, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link