golden state warriors thread

It disrespects the former era? Lol go dust your wine collection you old goat

its funny but also maybe a little telling about how the vets feel about the situation?

it is true that they could have just gone with one timeline

cut him and sign a center, problem solved

"disrespectful" is a dumb word choice but "choosing not to maximize the changes of a championship," yeah absolutley

it is kind of disrespectful not of iggy but of steph which prob is what he was saying

yeah

not sure what else we would expect from silicon valley billionaires who think theyre light years ahead cause some stuff broke their way

if u move fast and break things stuff breaks worth noting

it is kind of disrespectful not of iggy but of steph which prob is what he was saying

― lag∞n, Monday, March 28, 2022 12:55 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes this is it. and iggy is stephs mouthpiece in some ways.

What's the move or the moves they should have made? Trade Wiseman for Thad Young or something? Who is the 10-mil player that couldn't have created a more respectful situation?

could've

three high draft picks in the last two years

it's kind of a pointless way of talking about it to say that i know what moves could/should have been made but usually the 2nd and 7th picks can be exchanged for present value.

idk who they woulda or coulda got but theyve had assets to trade and havent done it. wiseman for sure, one of the picks from last year, this years pick, future picks. whatever. its not like they have to go full a vet team but carrying three rookies and another young guy that needs time to develop (poole) just shows they are more concerned (or at least equally concerned) with the future as they are with winning now and over the next couple years. and you gotta think the vets are a little hmmm about it all.

trying to not rebuild after winning a title is very difficult but the allure of it is pretty obvious -- it's the best of both worlds! -- and of course most front offices let alone one as successful as the warriors will think they'll be the ones who can pull it off. in all likelihood the warriors will not accomplish the twin goals of winning a title now and also setting themselves up to win a title in the future, i feel like you kind of have to accept that as a fan. but then again most teams are also currently neither going to win a title or set themselves up to win one in the future so it's not that unusual. the spurs tried to hang on after duncan retired and ended up in the rebuilding phase anyway. it's totally understandable why steph, iggy etc want them to trade everything to go all in this year, also understandable why the front office has a longer term view. i don't think anyone is really in the wrong here, just competing perspectives and priorities.

personally i have real doubts about whether wiseman had any value at the trade deadline, he was (is) hurt and hasn't played all year and wasn't that good when he did play. i'm sure teams were trying to buy low on him but the idea that the warriors could have acquired a game changing player w/ him as anything more than a secondary piece, i don't see it. i haven't seen much of moody personally, but i understand why they don't want to trade kuminga. he looks like he could help them in this year's playoffs while providing all the possible upside that comes after it.

also when you look at who actually moved over the deadline, i don't see anyone the warriors could have or should have been in on. caris lavert? sabonis? cj mccollum? norm powell? josh hart? we talked about sabonis previously and even if you think that fit made sense for them (i don't) i find it hard to believe they could've outbid the kings putting halliburton on the table. what the warrios could use imo is more wing players but the fact that guys like barnes and jerami grant didn't move seems like an indication that nobody in the NBA valued those guys at what those teams were asking for than any deficiency in the warriors plans.

tsk tsk jordan, that's "kind of a pointless way of talking about it"

it's totally understandable why steph, iggy etc want them to trade everything to go all in this year, also understandable why the front office has a longer term view. i don't think anyone is really in the wrong here, just competing perspectives and priorities.

i dont think this is the ask. theres a happy medium between having 4 babies to babysit vs having say... 2.

wiseman doesnt have trade value now which is why they shoulda traded the pick before draft night.

kuminga and poole are obviously keepers now. moody is good but could fetch something nice with a pick attached and some filler salary. wiseman the ship sailed so now you have to wait til he plays again.

Which filler salary? The rooks ARE the filler salaries.

wiggins

I think they might have gotten sued if they'd traded Wiggins while he was an antivax holdout.

I suppose they could've traded him at the deadline, around the time he was starting in the ASG. That would've been a great sell-high moment.

not sure anyone was convinced wiggins was a real all-star starter caliber player around then so much as we was a maybe slightly above average guy making way too much money

yeah if wiggins is your salary match you're prob throwing in so many assets to balance it out that unless you were getting a true all star player i'm not sure how much you're upgrading in the end

no rational fan thought he should be an all star starter, and he had a borderline case outside of that.

the jordan poole contract price keeps ticking up. interested to see how ownership deals with this insanity of their upcoming tax penalty payments.

they need their guys healthy or none of it matters, frankly

i do also think that having some information about how well they do in the playoffs this year will be important to them. let's say they make it to the west finals or push phoenix to a game 7 in the second round and almost knock them off, they might be willing to push more in for next season seeing some proof of concept which this team doesn't actually have as far as the playoffs go. and kuminga and moody prob have more value now than they did even at the deadline. but if they lose in the first round i'm sure they'll be hesitant to do anything w/ their young guys

not sure anyone was convinced wiggins was a real all-star starter caliber player around then

Sure, but has his value ever been higher? Probably not since his rookie year.

i don't know who in the NBA would really see wiggins as having value on his own given his contract. i think teams would find him an acceptable price to pay in order to receive other assets, but again that means if you're trading him there's a good chance you're losing the trade. the warriors prob understand this concept acutely

yeah my point was more that it's hard to sell high on a guy making 33.6 mil in 2023 if he's not perceived as a transcendent player

yeah. i mean, they would've been selling high on him, but it's definitely a relative kind of high. like... a nice little 6 story condo building.

hes an expiring next season so next year is the one to make the move

in other dubs news they are in a funk and play mem/phx/utah this week :(

hes an expiring next season so next year is the one to make the move

― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, March 28, 2022 3:25 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bring harry b back

tsk tsk jordan, that's "kind of a pointless way of talking about it"

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, March 28, 2022 5:18 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

"moves available at the last trade deadline" is a bit of a different scope of discussion than "it was inevitable that the warriors would be on two timelines" which is i think how this started?

yeah u trade the picks before they become players

but they prob cldve done a decent deal at the deadline too

however if they had just drafted lamelo i wouldnt be questioning them lol but thats the nba draft for u baby

they went 15-50 the season before they drafted wiseman. i don't think it's crazy that they decided to keep a top 3 pick after that, the problem is yeah who they drafted.

they didn't even make the playoffs before taking kuminga and moody & kuminga looks like he could be a home run pick (even if franz wagner might still be better).

really they've taken the most conservative path, which is essentially doing nothing. they've just sat there and made their picks. you could make the argument it's been prudent and left them some flexibility, but who knows what was out there for them.

like i said earlier, i think this postseason will give them a lot of needed information about what to do moving forward that they haven't had in either of the last two seasons.

the idea that steph or the older era is being "disrespected" doesn't really scan for me. i mean, steph looked at the state of the franchise last summer and decided to sign a 4 year contract at a point when money is no longer an object to him. if the no. 1 most important thing to him in his career is winning a title he would've (or should've) looked elsewhere

i'm more sympathetic to iggy's point that it also does a disservice to the young players in terms of their development. i think for wiseman in particular it is a bad situation given that their second best player is a center and their system requires a high basketball IQ and he had only played like 3 games above high school before going there. but then again kuminga is fighting for minutes when everyone thought he was going to be a project so it would be hard to argue that his development is being stunted. it might just be up to the player.

i don't totally disagree with any of that but the fact remains that it's left them with the impossible task of threading together two different teams which we've talked about many times here. the wiseman pick, as it stands, is a disaster--i don't think anyone would have predicted this current state exactly but they took a developmental center in a bad draft and it's very hard for me to understand why they did that.

i think also that ultimately they gave their fans three titles incl one of the more fun organic nucleuses of a generation and one of the more unbeatable mini-dynasties of all time & if all they produce after that is the end of steph curry’s career and a few nice players for the future they haven’t really done anything “wrong”

dont talk about the warriors moves and how they have been bad steph shouldve just left if he didnt want then to be bad lol after all they had a season with a bad record

they did good moves before so whatre u gonna do keep doing good moves at some point just gotta move on

i kinda wonder what this team could do if they had drafted sengun instead of moody tbh

moody... looks pretty good imo, asking any rookie to be a real contributor is a lot tho

i think also that ultimately they gave their fans three titles incl one of the more fun organic nucleuses of a generation and one of the more unbeatable mini-dynasties of all time & if all they produce after that is the end of steph curry’s career and a few nice players for the future they haven’t really done anything “wrong”

― J0rdan S., Monday, March 28, 2022 9:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

they could compete for a couple more? like right now? if you have a window you have to capitalize or risk becoming the post jordan bulls or post nash suns. and whats different about this situation is they dont even need to leverage the WHOLE future. they have a couple young guys to build around while competing. 4 us just too many.

moody was looking great before his shoulder popped out.

4 us just too many.

I can see the argument against drafting four teenagers. They could have drafted guys who were more NBA-ready but with less upside.

For what it's worth, the Warriors have four guys under 25 or younger. The Grizzlies have 4 guys on their roster OVER 25.

if you have a window you have to capitalize or risk becoming the post jordan bulls or post nash suns.

i think history tells you that this is basically inevitable to some degree anyway. any team that pushes for a title for so many years is going to have to build it back up from the bottom once those guys leave. but i also think the warriors will basically guarantee that happens if they trade most of their young guys to "maximize the window" around stpeh, klay and dray. so i think i see it the opposite way. if you want to go all in for the current core that's cool but once those guys age out you're basically guaranteeing that you start from scratch, which is what they're trying to avoid, for better or worse. and they might fail on both accounts (not compete for a title but also not be good enough to avoid a major rebuild after), so maybe they should just push everything to the middle for the next two years and swallow the rebuilding pill since in all likelihood it's going to come in some form anyway. i think if the warriors are superficial contenders -- safely in the playoffs w/ a chance to make some noise but unlikely to -- while developing some youth for the the post-steph era given what they've done in the last decade... idk. making steph curry games baseline watchable is still a pretty fine outcome to me.

i think the one aspect that could really alter their future and how they plan for it is if they think or come to understand that they will be major players in the free agency/star trade market in the post-steph/klay/dray era because of their location, willingness to spend, and recent history of success. can they basically become the junior lakers? i don't think it's out of the question. but if that's the case then you're basically never looking to rebuild, ever, and you go ahead push in w/ this core w/ the belief that once you have an opening on your roster for a new set of stars, those guys will want to come to you. i think the lakers tried to earnestly rebuild post-kobe w/ the lonzo, ingram etc group and decided, prob w/ good reason, that such a thing is for the birds. i could see the warriors ending up in much the same place.