we could argue until the cows come home about whether the bigger issue is "went all in on a 32 year old star player who is obviously not as good as he used to be" or "the surrounding cast can't shoot or play defense well enough" but since it all relates to the same trade i just consider it one general problem. a problem which some ppl said was going to be a problem the day the trade went down!
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 21:09 (four years ago)
its true many people did say it
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 21:19 (four years ago)
im not sure if morey is a great gm tbh, i feel like i may have detected a flaw in his swing for the fences philosophy, tho tbh its more of a problem for the teams hes employed by than it is for him
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 21:21 (four years ago)
he put a great team together in houston & the moves he made his first offseason in philly were pretty excellent too. i don't think we'll be sitting here in a year being like "god what a bad offseason morey had, this sixers team is even worse" but whether he can overcome the structural issues built into the team via this trade is another question
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 21:30 (four years ago)
Morey seems to think that once you meet your minimum roster requirement of having two superstars how hard could it be to fill up the margins of the roster from the very long list of not-superstars?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 21 March 2022 21:33 (four years ago)
the moves he made his first offseason in philly were pretty excellent too.
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 21, 2022 5:30 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
oh are you a big fan of moreys 2021 offseason name your top three moves
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 21:45 (four years ago)
lol anyway he did put together one really good season in houston that came very close to winning it all but within two years the team was in flames, a big part of which was trading chris paul and two firsts for russell westbrook, he def made one really good move which was trading for harden when most people didnt think he was a star, after that its pretty mixed, and i do think his its time for some game theory nerd ass approach to risking it all for a ring is misguided, theres a lot of value in keeping your window open and doing deals that dont totally leverage your future
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 21:50 (four years ago)
He drafted Maxey and traded Richardson for Curry immediately after getting the job? But not sure if that is what Jordan is calling his first offseason in Philly... since then it's been mostly the patented Morey playing around at the margins, biding his time waiting for a big fish. but in any case
game theory nerd ass approach to risking it all for a ring is misguided, theres a lot of value in keeping your window open and doing deals that dont totally leverage your future
this is otm
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 21 March 2022 21:53 (four years ago)
yeah was that not hist first offseason in philly? that's the offseason i was talking about. taking apart an ill conceived roster to put some shooting around embiid & simmons... it was all stuff on the margins but they had the 1 seed and i don't pin the playoff loss on anything morey did
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 22:43 (four years ago)
his tenure in houston was a bit more than just the harden trade which btw is prob one of the best trades in NBA history
he traded pat bev, montrez harrell, lou will, sam harrell & a first for CP3 which is prob a trade that both sides were happy with, but even for two years of CP3 was worth it for houston
he traded kyle lowry for a first which was important ammo in the harden trade... great trade for the raptors but also it worked out for houston
he drafted clint capela 24th overall
he signed PJ tucker to a 4/32 deal and eric gordon to a 4/53 deal... both of those were steals. he really did build that harden era squad from scratch
i don't hold the westbrook trade against him that much, i think that was mostly ownership driven. it was 100% clear when he made that trade that he wouldn't be around to clean up the mess
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 22:51 (four years ago)
i was critical of how he handled the simmons thing purely from the POV of what's best for the sixers & i was critical of the trade for harden when he made it, so it's not like i think he's a GM god, but his track record is pretty damn solid
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 22:52 (four years ago)
believe me if the epitaph of the daryl morey GM career is "he was a good GM who was too loyal to james harden which led to him detonating the futures of two different NBA franchises" i will be the first one in line to laugh at him
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 22:53 (four years ago)
yeah his biggest issue is hitching his wagon to harden
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, 21 March 2022 22:54 (four years ago)
God, I am so depressed now, lol.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 21 March 2022 23:03 (four years ago)
xp forgot when morey started in philly those are good moves apologies to daryl, lol yeah was just going to say that being the biggest harden fan in the world has got to count against him, and on a deeper level youve got to think he had a big hand in creating the honestly pretty problematic harden we see today, a guy who doesnt take care of himself never learned to play defense and has forced his way out of two teams in two seasons, the stories of harden entitlement that came out of houston were wild
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 23:05 (four years ago)
― J0rdan S., Monday, March 21, 2022 6:51 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
minor point but you cant just put a bad move in the good move column
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 23:08 (four years ago)
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, March 21, 2022 7:03 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol sorry, i still think philly could put something together, tho they have the same problem everyone else does which is that the east is stacked
― lag∞n, Monday, 21 March 2022 23:10 (four years ago)
No apologies. I know it's all fools gold. I just want a Gm6 or 7 ECF with a chance to win during Embiid's career. That shouldn't be too much to ask.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 21 March 2022 23:17 (four years ago)
Shoulda kept the jimmy embiid pairing together
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, 21 March 2022 23:18 (four years ago)
it's possible that the story of embiid in philly is that he was great but their teams weren't able to get past kawhi and giannis aka two of the top 20 or 25 players ever. it would be a sad fate but is the story of lots of great/memorable NBA teams
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 23:26 (four years ago)
also possible something breaks their way & they get to the finals, it's def not out of the question. they're gonna have a shot the next 3 years unless the injury stuff goes the other way on embiid
― J0rdan S., Monday, 21 March 2022 23:27 (four years ago)
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, March 21, 2022 7:18 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
^^^
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, 21 March 2022 23:29 (four years ago)
Steve Nash confirms that Ben Simmons has a herniated disk in his back.— Matt Brooks (@MattBrooksNBA) March 21, 2022
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:13 (four years ago)
not sure i need to see the nets and sixers meet in the playoffs anymore
― Clay, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:16 (four years ago)
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Monday, March 21, 2022 7:29 PM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
otm
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:17 (four years ago)
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― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:28 (four years ago)
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― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:31 (four years ago)
aimless segment at the end like andy rooney imo
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:36 (four years ago)
lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:38 (four years ago)
Lmaoooo
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:40 (four years ago)
omg
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:42 (four years ago)
Lonzos career has yet to take off
Lonzo Ball will stop running on his knee for the next 10 days, per Billy Donovan. They’ve been trying to ramp him up but he hasn’t responded well— Jamal Collier (@JamalCollier) March 21, 2022
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:47 (four years ago)
ah not great
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 00:47 (four years ago)
Another bonkers game from Lebron
― frogbs, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 01:37 (four years ago)
bron putting up huge lines in his late 30s things of that nature is unprecedented
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 01:39 (four years ago)
hes leading the league in scoring
sixers beating the heat without embiid or harden lol
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 01:43 (four years ago)
sometimes its just like that
bron has just switched over from trying for a ring this season to a scoring title and (pretty soon) knocking kareem off the top of the all-time points list. he recently nabbed his 10,000th assist, so that one's in the bag and now he can just chuck away until the end of the season.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 01:46 (four years ago)
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rsgdLI-e1E8/hqdefault.jpg
― Clay, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 01:58 (four years ago)
bron's nike contract probably has some healthy bonuses for hitting milestones like that. mvp, too.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 02:06 (four years ago)
Bron also murdered his old teammate
LEBRON JAMES!!!!! pic.twitter.com/pt8FrthGi0— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) March 22, 2022
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 03:25 (four years ago)
K-Love's reaction to Bron putting him on a poster 💀 pic.twitter.com/l455vhkyRS— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) March 22, 2022
― symsymsym, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 03:30 (four years ago)
Haha that’s good
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 04:03 (four years ago)
awwwwww cute
― frogbs, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 04:05 (four years ago)
theres no way thibs survives the offseason
Guarding Trae Young like *this* after *that* playoff series is a choice. pic.twitter.com/va7evDsFX2— Steve Jones Jr. (@stevejones20) March 23, 2022
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 00:55 (four years ago)
if the matchup was actually toppin on trae that is just negligent
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 01:34 (four years ago)