Yah exactly
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:36 (two years ago) link
its bad, just offloads any potential excitement from the last week of regular season games to more games, at a time when we want fewer games
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:37 (two years ago) link
creates opportunities for a lame team to shoot themselves into the first round over a team tahts 5-10 wins better
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:39 (two years ago) link
you just know its gonna end with a 35 win lakers team keeping a 45 win twolves out of the playoffs
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:41 (two years ago) link
Lmao otm
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:41 (two years ago) link
it has reduced the tanking now the very worst team tank for the most part
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:42 (two years ago) link
ther e are better ways to reduce tanking like not having the lottery be by record or w/e
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:44 (two years ago) link
i like the lottery, even tho i think the play in is dumb and too many teams already made the offs i kinda support it now, they shd make the 1st round best out of five again maybe
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:46 (two years ago) link
its so weird that baseball, which has the most variance by far of any major sport, uses the 5-game 1st round, while the NBA doesn't, despite the fact that the 1 seeds basically never lose. I don't really like the play-in game either and I agree too many teams make the playoffs but it kinda works for the NBA, where you can root for your team to win a 1st round series knowing full well they have no shot at a championship and be satisfied even when they get their asses kicked in the 2nd. in the other sports there's enough variance that you still have hope which leads to disappointment. mediocre teams win the World Series all the time and the last Super Bowl featured a team that went 2-14 the year prior. in the NBA only like 3-4 teams really have a shot so I actually think the large playoff field works for them.
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 March 2022 15:53 (two years ago) link
yeah baseball just shouldnt have playoffs, best regular season record is champ
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:02 (two years ago) link
I liked the 8 team system they had before, 6 division winners + one wild card. as someone on Twitter pointed out letting 14 teams in during a 162 season is a crime against math
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link
There's also been work done that shows zero statistical difference (in baseball) between a 5 and 7 game series in terms of outcomes. To actually move the needle the series would need to be like 35 games lol
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:09 (two years ago) link
i support it
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:16 (two years ago) link
ive floated this idea before but now that there are 32 teams forthcoming, heres my plan to save basketball from dumbness:
-create 2 8-team divisions per conference-play a home/away against all 31 teams (62 G)-play an additional home/away against your division opponents (14 G)
-top 8 teams in each conference go to playoffs, division winners not guaranteed of any seed-bottom 8 teams in each conference get put into round robin play: four 4-team groups, home/away against all 3 opponents (6 G) to determine seeding. from there, 4 rounds of single elimination to determine draft order.
this solves tanking once and for all bc the very worst teams will struggle in the offseason if they can't put out a competitive team. the best rookies will go to more competent franchises. makes the end of the regular season a legit must-watch for the non-playoff teams.
if the league wants to maintain the 82 game schedule for everyone, i guess they can try doing that little tournament thing theyre considering but idk, havent thought that far ahead.
― class project pat (m bison), Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:47 (two years ago) link
asking players on bad teams to play hard so the team can draft the guy who is going to replace them is kinda sketchy though
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 March 2022 16:50 (two years ago) link
i think the lottery should just be flat odds, its the halfway point between the conflicting ideas of putting the best talent onto the weakest teams and rewarding teams that tried to be competitive but didn't get there
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 17:58 (two years ago) link
removes all weird secondary incentives in either direction, the only incentive for every team should be to try to make the playoffs
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:05 (two years ago) link
hockey heads have proposed a draft order based on (essentially) how successful a team is *after* being eliminated from the playoffs. it has its issues — and would be a little different in hoops — but it’s interesting and keeps fans of bad teams rooting for wins rather than losses
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:08 (two years ago) link
thats pretty good but i like the simplicity of my plan more
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:12 (two years ago) link
also it makes the lottery more exciting which is cool everyone loves lotteries
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:13 (two years ago) link
tbh i don't really see the downside of the play in. it has definitely curbed tanking and extended the relevancy of the regular season. you get some extra do or die playoff style games. it's added layers to the playoff race which had typically been pretty stagnant in terms of jockeying for seeding. like if you took out the play in scenario from the west this year it would basically be a dead conference for the rest of the season except for memphis and golden state playing for 2/3 and dallas/denver for 5/6. the 1 seed is up by 8.5 games, there's multiple game gaps between several other teams... the 8 seed is up 5.5 games. at least now you have a race for 5/6/7 that is legitimately meaningful as well as one for 9/10. this year in the east w/ no play in you would have a bunch of teams fighting for 8 but i actually prefer the scenario where it's teams playing for seeding and then we have a little mini playoffs to see who gets in. that's far more interesting to me than atlanta, charlotte, toronto etc fighting it out indirectly in regular season games that aren't even on TV.
i guess the one downside i can think of is some scenario like we kinda have w/ the lakers where a team that has had injuries to its stars plays its way into the playoffs from outside the top 8 and then becomes a threat to the 1 seed which doesn't "deserve" having to play that team but deserve isn't a great way to run an entertainment product and i don't see any real argument for why having star driven teams that had rough regular seasons getting into the playoffs is bad for basketball fans
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:18 (two years ago) link
let the top seed choose which play-in winner it wants to face
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:22 (two years ago) link
― ciderpress, Thursday, March 10, 2022 1:05 PM (twelve minutes ago)
i actually think the system right now is working pretty well insofar as it's okay for the league if like 2-3 teams at the beginning of the season are incentivized to not really compete so that they can improve their rosters and then another 2-3 teams join them halfway thru the season after their teams went south for whatever reason. i would say we went into this regular season with only 2 teams in each conference who weren't trying to win (det, orl & okc, hou) and now we have another 3 more across the league (wash, ind, por) who are not really trying at this point. it still leaves 11-12 teams in each conference who are trying to win for basically the full year which is a good number, and they're actually competing for something interesting to the fans (do or die games) than something not interesting (getting the 8 seed in the regular season and then getting killed in round 1)
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:25 (two years ago) link
yeah pretty much how i feel
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link
Did anybody else post this already: https://poeltl.dunk.town/
― DJI, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:39 (two years ago) link
lmao one of these teams has chris paul and lebron the other has perk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssSZgqN2_OM
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 19:34 (two years ago) link
jordan otm about the play-in and such i'm into it.
i was just reading about last night's lakers collapse and saw this
"Our game plan was just to attack Melo and find the mismatch on the floor," Green said. "So when it came down to it, we were looking for Melo and I was attacking him every time."
pretty cold coming from a rook to a first ballot HOFer, even one as easy to clown on as Melo!
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 10 March 2022 20:05 (two years ago) link
less outright tanking is good but my feelings about the race for the play-in seeds are more mixed — it’s not like an unexpected surprise that there are now more teams fighting for spots, that’s the whole point, it’s basically impossible for that not to happen — but the issue is the teams that play meaningful games are just not good. like the lakers choking away a crucial game against the lowly rockets was great for very specific schadenfreude purposes, but most years it’s just going to be a random mediocre team
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 March 2022 20:53 (two years ago) link
I mean you could extend the logic to just have every team make the playoffs, in that case even more games would be meaningful, there are just diminishing returns as far as product quality and entertainment value. that being said, maybe the trade off is worth it if it curtails tanking to the degree it seems to have
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 March 2022 20:55 (two years ago) link
imo the actual play in games are still exciting even if the teams are bad just because theyre single eliminationy
― lag∞n, Thursday, 10 March 2022 21:12 (two years ago) link
it will fluctuate every year for sure but i mean, last year we got lakers vs warriors and warriors vs grizzlies. those were games featuring great players i would watch on any given night if i had the time & turned out to be good games. the games in the west this year prob won't be too compelling lakers car crash gawking aside, but in the east we should get 3 pretty good games esp if the nets are in there. but i'd be interested to watch the hawks, raptors, cavs, hornets. they're basically throwing 6 extra monday/wednesday/friday night national TV level games on the schedule w/ the stakes ratcheted up, i really don't see the issue. if the games in a given year aren't interesting to you there's other things you can do w/ your life but i'm not really sure how that is an argument against something that undeniably makes the regular season more compelling
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 March 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link
yeah maybe it’s fair to say there is enough star power to make it work
― k3vin k., Thursday, 10 March 2022 21:25 (two years ago) link
they should just replace the season with a big 32-team double elimination tournament
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 March 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link
the NBA Cup
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 March 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link
Want to Welcome Ben Simmons to Thunderdome.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Friday, 11 March 2022 00:25 (two years ago) link
lol i just got a "Fans Boo Simmons" notification on my phone
― Clay, Friday, 11 March 2022 00:28 (two years ago) link
its true they booed him
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 March 2022 00:51 (two years ago) link
lol joel missed a point blank dunk
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 March 2022 00:52 (two years ago) link
joel and drummond are well on their way to double technical fouls
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2022 01:00 (two years ago) link
would be really funny if these two teams saw each other in the playoffs and the seth curry swap swung the series
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link
It’s almost likely lol
― jammin on the dud (Spottie), Friday, 11 March 2022 01:09 (two years ago) link
doc talking about joel being in such good shape that he could play his most minutes ever this year like are you even listening to yourself man
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 March 2022 01:13 (two years ago) link
KD not touching rim even remotely lol
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2022 01:15 (two years ago) link
hate how embiid starts acting all incredulous as soon as he gets fouled he should wait to see if its called first before complaining
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 March 2022 01:16 (two years ago) link
These teams need to meet in the playoffs. It would be so fun. To win, you got to beat the best.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Friday, 11 March 2022 01:17 (two years ago) link
embiid loves a demonstrative regular season basketball game
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2022 01:18 (two years ago) link
lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 11 March 2022 01:18 (two years ago) link
someone on the sixers bench should remind harden that it's not actually game 6 of a playoff series & it only feels that way in the arena. he brain might boot back up again
― J0rdan S., Friday, 11 March 2022 01:20 (two years ago) link
his*
lol, he has not been good.
― move over GAPDY, now there's BIG THIEF! (PBKR), Friday, 11 March 2022 01:21 (two years ago) link