love to feel healthy and safe
― k3vin k., Sunday, 5 December 2021 02:06 (two years ago) link
what is a protocol anyway
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link
if this, then this, until this
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 5 December 2021 04:27 (two years ago) link
Oof
Chauncey Billups: "I've never seen a team that needs its bench to inspire our starters. That shit is crazy to me. It's supposed to be the other way around."— Sean Highkin (@highkin) December 5, 2021
― Spottie, Sunday, 5 December 2021 06:29 (two years ago) link
that whole team getting traded, chauncey getting fired, oregon antifa needs to occupy ths team imo
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:02 (two years ago) link
otm
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:03 (two years ago) link
srsly, what is the best case scenario for this team? dame regresses to his mean and they claw their way to the 6 seed and then they get spanked in the first round? and they do this until dame cant walk anymore?
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link
they tried like 8 times with this core and couldn't get over the hump of being a mid-seed team, at some point you have to assume thats the ceiling and stop spending resources prolonging it
obviously i am worried the celtics are entering the same spot now
― ciderpress, Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
blazers bottom five defense three years running
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link
celtics wont have that at least
― ciderpress, Sunday, 5 December 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
i kinda understood holding out and not trading dame for simmons assuming he'd still be That Guy but he might not be That Guy anymore and hes gonna get paid like $50M in 24-25 fuckin woof
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 5 December 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
if you’re trading dame idk why you’d choose simmons over the more recently popular package of “every draft pick you have.” might as well trade CJ too and just tear it down. you could keep CJ, get maxey and simmons and prob still make the play in game and maybe even win a game given how mediocre the west is this year but it certainly isn’t changing your ceiling and is prob only prolonging the inevitable full rebuild. i guess it comes down to whether ownership is ready to swallow 4 years of being really bad. i guess it all comes down to what dame wants and what he thinks of the team. they’re only 2.5 games out of the 4 seed. it’s a really down year for the conference. but the advancing beyond round 2 seems impossible in even the best case scenarios
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 December 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link
in my mind its dame for simmons+all the picks, but point taken
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 5 December 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link
philly cannot be allowed to get him
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
and yeah theres prob a better trade out there anyway
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 16:59 (two years ago) link
the major question is whether portland lets dame choose his next team or whether they just take the best offer
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 5 December 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link
It’s pretty difficult to come up with a Dame trade
― Matt Armstrong, Sunday, 5 December 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link
No, here it is:
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, December 5, 2021 11:55 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Sunday, 5 December 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/XES0S6I.png
― lag∞n, Sunday, 5 December 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
We're all good with Tony Snells, thanks.
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Sunday, 5 December 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link
Still think the Blazers would move CJ before dame unless dame has made trade demands behind the scene
― Spottie, Sunday, 5 December 2021 20:03 (two years ago) link
As long as Dame wants to stay a blazer, no GM could get away with trading him for anything less than a proven MVP.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 5 December 2021 20:21 (two years ago) link
did you see tony snells numbers last year? i think they're getting a proven mvp
― Heez, Sunday, 5 December 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, December 5, 2021 2:21 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
this is understandable and also wrong. they cant build a strong team around him, CJ is not a strong enough trade chip to meaningfully pivot with dame. they should trade both.
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:02 (two years ago) link
― Spottie, Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link
lmao
― class project pat (m bison), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link
they should burn it all down obv, a complication to all this is ownership probably wants to sell in the coming years and it’s harder to max profit when you’re selling a routine basement dweller in an untrafficked corner of the country that lacks stars or pizzazz, but could be the richies are more savvy to how rebuilds these days
― Clay, Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:31 (two years ago) link
a GM needs to please the fan base. presumably the imperative to drive deep into the payoffs is fan-driven, but if keeping dame for the next few years means more to the fans than diving straight into a rebuild that might possibly achieve more playoff success three or four years out from now, then the fans should get to see dame in pdx and postpone the rebuild.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link
caving to sentimentality is possibly the worst instinct an executive could have in this situation. Mob rule also not good!
― Clay, Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:37 (two years ago) link
If the Sixers like Lillard for '22-23 then buying him while he's injured is a good opportunity. But I have serious doubts about his viability for this season.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
you can call it mob rule, but you need to keep your fans happy and engaged, buying tickets and merchandise. plus, the fan numbers are what the advertisers care about. alienating your fans immediately undercuts your team's revenue from any source apart from the league television contract. pdx fans seem pretty tolerant of poor playoff performance, but they love dame.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 5 December 2021 21:47 (two years ago) link
they could trade cj and nurk and tank while keeping dame. he's not going to move the needle that much
― micah, Monday, 6 December 2021 01:48 (two years ago) link
I thought for sure they were going to trade nurk last offseason
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 6 December 2021 02:23 (two years ago) link
pretty sure nothing significant is going to happen with a front office on fire, and an interim gm and president
― Clay, Monday, 6 December 2021 02:24 (two years ago) link
clay is there a local angle on jody allen? i can't tell if she's planning on selling the team or not.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 December 2021 03:30 (two years ago) link
well the front office has, since paul allen's death, been very insistent that the team is not for sale they and are thinking long-term about developing a winning franchise, but it's a bit of a thou doth protest too much situation (what other franchise is constantly like "NO!!! WE'RE NOT FOR SALE AT ALL!!!!" in the local press without being low key for sale). They're also penny pinching in pretty ugly ways, and basically everyone in portland believes the team will be sold in the near-future.
since jody's takeover they've publicly and nastily dug around to fire a long-term GM (not without warrant) who may have been a detriment to a sale, the long-term president left outta nowhere to find other work, and they've turned over dozens upon dozens of front office staff behind the scenes (some of it covid-related, most of it using covid as an excuse to find younger, cheaper folks). it has been ugly and jody has been nowhere to be seen. i don't think she's done a press conference? or even an interview? or at least she hasn't since her very early days as owner.
my feeling has been they plan sell and are waiting for the likely 2-team nba expansion in a few years that will be a free couple hundred million cash to ownership. they'll do everything they can to keep marquee names around until then, when new management will presumably strip the team for parts a few years after the expiration date.
rip city, baby!
― Clay, Monday, 6 December 2021 03:46 (two years ago) link
If clay's vision of the blazer's future comes to pass, the team will move to another city within 5 years after it's sold. And I won't care, because you can't do that and keep your fans.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 6 December 2021 04:16 (two years ago) link
fans are pretty malleable, bro and they tend to have short memories for anything but glory and beef
― Clay, Monday, 6 December 2021 04:27 (two years ago) link
More fools they.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 6 December 2021 04:29 (two years ago) link
anyone who sat through the interminable jailblazer years but throws in the towel because management gave up on a perennial 6-8 seed is wildin frankly
― Clay, Monday, 6 December 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
My allegiance to the jailblazers weakened all through the late 1990s and I had mostly stopped following them in 2000. I didn't even watch the infamous WCF game 7 meltdown. Brandon Roy lured me back in 2007.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 6 December 2021 04:45 (two years ago) link
32 points on 11-15 FG, 4-6 3PT and 6-6 FT from miles bridges tonight to beat the hawks in ATL tonight w/ half the team out bcuz of covid
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 December 2021 05:58 (two years ago) link
shams will prob have all the details by EOD
― lag∞n, Friday, December 3, 2021 1:14 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
Dozens of coaches, front office members and team staffers were interviewed as part of the probe — Blazers players were given an opportunity to speak with investigators but all of them declined. The firm concluded Olshey often confronted staffers and cursed toward them, sources said. According to individuals with knowledge of the probe, Olshey allegedly made an inappropriate comment toward a female staff member, which was cited during the investigation.
Olshey earned a reputation for his temper during his 10 seasons in Portland, often privately disparaging co-workers. Staffers described Olshey as abrasive and controlling. Olshey had two more years on his contract worth upwards of $20 million total. One source said the Blazers believe they had cause to fire Olshey, which voided his contract. Olshey may challenge that stance.
https://theathletic.com/2999270/2021/12/06/inside-the-trail-blazers-firing-of-gm-neil-olshey-and-what-comes-next-with-franchise-cornerstone-damian-lillard/
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:05 (two years ago) link
Multiple sources have told The Athletic that Lillard would like to play with Philadelphia 76ers three-time All-Star Ben Simmons. The Trail Blazers’ league-worst defense would instantly improve, and sharing a backcourt with a non-shooter could work given Lillard’s high-volume usage.
Sources say the Trail Blazers, under Olshey, discussed the framework of a trade for Simmons, moving CJ McCollum, a first-round draft pick and a young player such as Nassir Little or Anfernee Simons to Philadelphia. The 76ers, sources said, at one point asked the Trail Blazers for McCollum and multiple draft picks and multiple draft swaps, which Portland rejected. Olshey maintained significant confidence in the roster he constructed. Now, it’s unclear if there’s a deal to be had with the 76ers. But with Olshey out, who among chair Jody Allen, vice chair Bert Kolde and Cronin would be the one making the call on a Simmons trade or any acquisition designed to alleviate Lillard’s concerns?
seems like a cj for simmons trade could still happen
― lag∞n, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:09 (two years ago) link
so scratching around for an excuse to fire olshey was more penny pinching
― micah, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link
and a sub par gm gets paid 10m pa?? far out
― micah, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:26 (two years ago) link
with curry and maxey playing well i'm not sure why cj would be all that appealing to the sixers.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:36 (two years ago) link
― Clay, Monday, 6 December 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, December 6, 2021 9:36 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
They need a wing to push Green/Thybulle to the bench, though maxey has regressed a bit since Embiid came back. I would probably do this regardless if there were picks coming back.
― hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Monday, 6 December 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
if that piece is trying to push a narrative that olshey screwed up by not trading CJ for simmons it just feels like leaking coming from portland and/or dame’s side bcuz there’s never been any indication privately or publicly that the sixers were willing to trade simmons for a player of CJ’s caliber
― J0rdan S., Monday, 6 December 2021 15:01 (two years ago) link