2020 nba offseason draft free agency etc

first round picks arent nothing, starting quality players arent nothing, taking on $10m more in salary also not nothing

It just seems like an amazing coup for the thunder that they took chris Paul, who was considered such a negative asset that they got a bushel of picks for trading an inferior player, and then the next year got assets for him.

cp played himself into tradability

this was good for both franchises

i like oubre as much as the next guy but his contract is up after this year, if the suns extended him at his current $15m or more when they have other cheaper possibly better wings we'd all be killing them for that.

― call all destroyer, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:00 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

they have bridges and cam johnson who are arguably better than oubre...
― J0rdan S., Monday, November 16, 2020 2:00 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

having 3 good wings is actually technically speaking a good and desirable thing, you can even play them all at once, or you could pay a 35 y/o pg $10m more than your old pg and that wing made combined idk

xp i don't entirely disagree but i think there was an imperative out of houston to do that particular deal which presti recognized and used to drive the overpay.

if anyone can produce a single statistic showing that kelly oubre is anything more than a slightly above average player at best i'm all ears. his VORP last year was 0.7. box plus minus was -0.5. real plus minus was -3.05 (83rd among SF). by win shares he was roughly as good as monte morris, alec burks, and KCP. 538 raptor has him as the 108th best player in the league, right next to thomas satoransky and alec burks. this is an expendable player.

who cares about the suns salary cap? what are they spending that money on? ricky rubio and kelly oubre?

they also still have $18M in space this offseason to add a player and the #10 pick. that's pretty good!

not caring about middling players, draft picks, salary space are all classic bad franchise habits

who cares about the suns salary cap? what are they spending that money on? ricky rubio and kelly oubre?

― J0rdan S., Monday, November 16, 2020 2:09 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

not understanding basic concepts like opportunity cost etc etc

also taking a promising team and trading players in order to make the playoffs this year, which iirc was what happened to the last promising suns team

not caring about middling players, draft picks, salary space are all classic bad franchise habits

― lag∞n, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:14 PM (two minutes ago)

a classic bad franchise habit is also to pick an endless amount of young players and never convert that into winning i.e. suns, wolves, magic, hornets, kings, cavs etc

i mean i think a lot of the enthusiasm for this trade is based on the assumption that the suns are just always gonna basically suck so why not have cp3 for a couple years which fine but it doesnt make it an actually good trade

i am glad we have figured out all the inflection points on this trade

- how good you think cp3 is likely to be going forward
- what you think the actual opportunity cost was to the suns
- where the suns are as a franchise/what you think they should be doing

if they make the playoffs and keep booker happy then its a good trade. pretty simple

having cp3 on yr team has not always been shown to provoke happiness in his teammates

not understanding basic concepts like opportunity cost etc etc

― lag∞n, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:14 PM (three minutes ago)

there is very little to no opportunity cost to the suns taking on cp3's salary. if the opportunity cost is signing guys like rubio and oubre to above market rate deals to play for my sorry franchise give me chris paul's crazy contract that ends in 2 seasons.

the assumption that they couldnt possibly sign anyone beneficial to their team is silly, but of course by making this trade you are also passing up the opportunity to make a different trade

not caring about middling players, draft picks, salary space are all classic bad franchise habits

― lag∞n, Monday, November 16, 2020 2:14 PM (two minutes ago)

a classic bad franchise habit is also to pick an endless amount of young players and never convert that into winning i.e. suns, wolves, magic, hornets, kings, cavs etc

Actually trading for CP3 is a classic MJ hornets move

mj sleeping smh

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the vets that charlotte has acquired are like... nic batum, marvin williams, al jefferson, stephen jackson. aka guys who are not even half the player chris paul is

the player in this trade most similar to players previously acquired by the hornets is ricky rubio -- a low ceiling vet they had to overpay in order to acquire -- and i think it's good that they got rid of him, unlike certain posters in this thread, such as matt

the west is going to be even tougher next year and if the suns dont start making serious noise booker will probably just walk when his contract is up. they dont have another two years to wait for oubre to become productive

Wait for Oubre to become productive???? He averaged literally twice the points of their other 2 wings... and he's the same age as both of em despite being drafted like half a decade earlier lol. I'm no Suns fan, so if more dilligent followers of the team who watch them regularly are convinced Bridges and Cam Johnson are the future I won't necessarily disagree... but the idea that Oubre ins't productive or a positive player going forward, compared to the 2 24 year old rookie/sophmore wings that averaged like 8/4/1? Anyone drawing those kinda conclusions about their team's future based off the bubble performance are taking a massive gamble IMO.

well bridges is generally thought to be one of the best young defensive wings in the league. johnson isn’t as good as oubre but is generally providing the same skill set on a rookie deal as opposed to oubre’s $15 million expiring contract. they also have cap space to add more wing help if they need (ppl have mentioned gallo there), plus the no. 10 pick. you usually have to give something up to get something in a trade and the loss of oubre should be easily survivable for them

seems like the sixers should make this happen

James Harden has the Nets and Sixers as his top trade destinations, per @ShamsCharania

Harden "wants to be on a contender elsewhere." pic.twitter.com/AGDOmh97WB

— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) November 16, 2020

unlike certain posters in this thread, such as matt

we needed some trades to spice this place up again baby!

Yeah, Sixers aren't going to do anything without Harden, may not do anything with him, but I'm all for maximum drama at this point.

j0rdan and spottie otm

It seems like simmons for harden is very workable and makes a lot of sense?

100% tho philly would need to throw in another salary. harden+gordon for simmons+horford matches almost perfectly

tho houston has gotta immediately trade westbrook if they do that.

The Rockets are finalizing a trade to send Robert Covington to Portland for Trevor Ariza and 2020 first-round pick and 2021 protected first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020

houston trying to replenish the picks cupboard

Bucks sending Eric Bledsoe and George Hill and draft compensation to New Orleans, sources said. https://t.co/3K12F8WGI9

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) November 17, 2020

wow thats a good trade for the bucks

i'm very curious what the draft compensation is

gotta be at least 2 1RPs

thats really all new orleans cld get? how many picks in there

txp hat's what i'm thinking, maybe the pels went for first rounders several years out

wow awesome

New Orleans is nearing completion of a deal to send G Jrue Holiday to Milwaukee for Eric Bledsoe, George Hill and what's described as "significant" draft compensation, sources tell ESPN. Teams are still working through the picks in trade.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020

Bucks are finalizing a package that includes three future first-round picks to the Pelicans in deal, sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/7TYoogZHCD

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 17, 2020

there it is

it's been reported that the bucks never engaged on chris paul. we won't be able to settle this for years but 1 first rounder for cp3 vs. at least 2 first rounders for jrue is going to be interesting to follow.

xp holy shit three first rounders

blazers giving up two firsts for covington is kinda nuts

i'm sorry, i don't think jrue holiday is even close to that good

want to see the protections on the portland picks but neither is covington