they were rolling for a minute pre virus playing westbrook out of the high post, prob wouldntve worked in the offs but they didnt even really try
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
he wasnt taking threes during that run but he reverted back
― Spottie, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
by the time you get to the capela trade you can't convince me that d'antoni and morey didn't realize they could seize the opportunity to run an experiment knowing they wouldn't be the ones cleaning up the mess
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 September 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
westbrook also had covid and by his own reporting couldn't workout for a month, and then got a quad injury. i don't think there's any way to win multiple playoff series playing the style they were playing but there are worlds in which it could have looked a lot better than it did.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link
The rockets have a bad owner which is probably driving a lot of this
― Matt Armstrong, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
yeah was thinking there easily cldve been pressure to get cp3 out of town whatever it took cause harden didnt like him
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
harden at least indirectly contributed to the capela trade as well because he wanted to iso more and pick and roll less
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
anyone else feel like the rockets and bucks offenses looked antiquated these playoffs? to varying degrees teams like the heat, celtics, raptors have internalized analytic principles about where shots should be coming from but are running more diverse and sophisticated offenses that are far better oriented to playoff basketball than the “spread out and stand around while a guy goes one on one BUT DOES NOT SHOOT A MIDRANGE JUMPER” offenses the other two teams were running
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 September 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link
yeah i imagine some of it is scheme, i chalk a lot of it up to lack of versatility and secondary playmaking. the rockets have never really had much of a scheme. i don't remember a ton about the 60-win hawks but i'm guessing bud must have had some complexity in place to get that limited group to score. if we're seeing anything it's that you need multiple guys who can attack off the dribble and pass so if your initial action doesn't work you have another place to go.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
i do wonder what it means for luka and trae young and the next generation of super heliocentric guys because i'm more and more convinced it's impossible to make a serious playoff run while playing that style.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
yep being able to use the entire floor is a pretty big advantage against playoffs d. we've been saying that in here a bunch
there's extremely few guys in the league for whom an off the dribble 3 is a good shot and you end up having to take a lot of those if you're not willing to use the midrange
luka is not one i'm worried about but trae maybe
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
taking a lot of borderline 3s is a good way to push matchups closer to 50-50 via variance which is great if you're the 8 seed and not so great if you're the 1 seed
― ciderpress, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
James Harden was one of the NBA's best scorers off screens, handoffs, and cuts in OKC and early in Houston. Now it's a nonexistent part of his game.Rockets need to make it a priority to bring back this aspect of his game so he's a more unpredictable, dynamic half-court threat. pic.twitter.com/nggTPTEXK7— Kevin O'Connor (@KevinOConnorNBA) September 13, 2020
this was pretty eye opening to watch... completely different player. made me wonder what a coach like spo, stevens or nurse would do w/ him
― J0rdan S., Monday, 14 September 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
is he willing to do that tho? he just stands around now or doesnt even cross halfcourt if its russ turn
― Spottie, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link
that's the thing to me. harden has made it clear what he wants to do on offense and the rockets have for years basically been saying "sure, whatever you want to do."
― call all destroyer, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
its crazy that hes still a good shooter while taking so many of the most difficult shot and does not want the easier shots
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Monday, September 14, 2020 2:18 PM (fifty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
not only is hard to execute vs playoff D also puts a ton of wear and tear on yr main guy during the regular season
― lag∞n, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
there's a chicken and egg aspect to it though - partially he doesn't do that stuff because he's recouping from and/or conserving all his energy to bend the game in accordance with his will when he has the ball. Now whether he'd be open to shifting that balance depends on how he wants to play, sure, but at least from the outside it's hard to know if there's ever been a real coaching effort to get him to do so.
xxposts to spottie and cad
― Lavator Shemmelpennick, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link
let the drama drip
https://sports.yahoo.com/disappointment-frustration-lack-of-chemistry-portrait-of-the-clippers-collapse-172338674.html
The rapport simply wasn’t there for the Clippers, and it certainly wasn’t there in Game 2 when Montrezl Harrell and George got into a heated verbal exchange during a timeout, league sources told Yahoo Sports.Early in the second quarter, a struggling George had committed two careless turnovers in less than a minute. The second mishap was a half-court pass to Harrell, who was near the paint but surrounded by Murray and Michael Porter Jr. Murray picked off the pass. Seconds later, the Clippers called a timeout. Harrell approached his teammate about the risky pass, with George not taking responsibility and arguing the pass could have been caught had Harrell made the right play, sources said. This set off the NBA Sixth Man of the Year. Harrell responded with something along the lines of, “You’re always right. Nobody can tell you nothing,” and expletives were uttered from both players, sources said. George eventually toned down his rhetoric, but a heated Harrell wasn’t having it. Teammates began clapping on the sideline, in part to disguise what was going on and in an attempt to defuse the situation. The incident deescalated shortly after as coach Doc Rivers took his seat to go over the game plan. The Clippers were not on the same page off the court either. After the Game 7 loss, George said, “I think internally, we always felt this was not a championship or bust year for us.”George was the only player to convey that thought. Rivers and the players acknowledged the goal was to win a championship this year.
Early in the second quarter, a struggling George had committed two careless turnovers in less than a minute. The second mishap was a half-court pass to Harrell, who was near the paint but surrounded by Murray and Michael Porter Jr.
Murray picked off the pass. Seconds later, the Clippers called a timeout.
Harrell approached his teammate about the risky pass, with George not taking responsibility and arguing the pass could have been caught had Harrell made the right play, sources said.
This set off the NBA Sixth Man of the Year.
Harrell responded with something along the lines of, “You’re always right. Nobody can tell you nothing,” and expletives were uttered from both players, sources said. George eventually toned down his rhetoric, but a heated Harrell wasn’t having it. Teammates began clapping on the sideline, in part to disguise what was going on and in an attempt to defuse the situation. The incident deescalated shortly after as coach Doc Rivers took his seat to go over the game plan.
The Clippers were not on the same page off the court either. After the Game 7 loss, George said, “I think internally, we always felt this was not a championship or bust year for us.”
George was the only player to convey that thought. Rivers and the players acknowledged the goal was to win a championship this year.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
not sure who deserves the most blame here but im leaning towards doc.
― Spottie, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link
lol trez genuinely hates the new guys
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
yeah and hes a FA so i imagine hes not coming back
― Spottie, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
he's going to get squeezed pretty good since he turned out to be unplayable by the second round of the playoffs
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
He’s got the “I was late to the bubble” excuse but yah
― Spottie, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
trying to think of a fit for him
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
most common and financially feasible one i've heard is charlotte
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 16 September 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
i could see him coming back on a 1-2 year deal... it depends on what his priorities are
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 16 September 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
Man what
Adam Silver told CNN a few minutes ago that he does not anticipate the 2020-21 season beginning until at least January (so is it really a 2020-21 season?) and said the league wants 82 games, with playoffs.At what point do they just say NBA players aren't going to the Olympics?— Tim Reynolds (@ByTimReynolds) September 22, 2020
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
salient points
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
I’d always assumed they’d shorten the next season
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
same but i presume that's a television contract issue.i would be in favor of reducing to a 60 game season tbh.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
I think if they do this there’s a very real possibility that it’s the permanent schedule
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
been talk for a while that theyd like to mostly avoid overlapping with the nfl
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
opening day on christmas is prob the ideal
Billy Donovan has agreed to a deal to become the next coach of the Chicago Bulls, sources tell ESPN.— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) September 22, 2020
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 22:07 (three years ago) link
feel like thats more of a third (last) job
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 22:13 (three years ago) link
essentially a layover on your way back to the ncaa
― Clay, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
sounds right
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 22 September 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
lol otm
― Spottie, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link
wow yeah major last job vibes
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
lol the bulls blogger guy is so totally damaged by being a bulls fan that he’s “pleasantly surprised” because at least billy probably cost more money than the other options.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 23:21 (three years ago) link
sadlol
― Spottie, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
are people that down on billy that he's going straight to the coaching a cursed team stage
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:13 (three years ago) link
seems like he couldve gotten a better job idgi
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
maybe he’s got enough hubris/chutzpah that he thinks he can right the ship
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
i took a look at the bulls roster a couple hours ago and i'm still recovering
― Clay, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link
he seems like a good vibes guy which they desperately need. but i don't think there's a ton of upside there.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:40 (three years ago) link
yeah theyve done a miserable job drafting and developing talent. i guess the good news is their books are relatively clean after this year?
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
unrelated but why have i never heard of this scott o'neil guy, business exec who wants to run basketball ops and has actively meddled with the knicks and sixers (scroll down to #2) https://www.libertyballers.com/2020/9/21/21445360/the-sixers-are-dangerously-close-to-becoming-like-the-knicks-heres-5-reasons-why-philadelphia-76ers
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link