BJ wins the handsomest bull imo
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 04:41 (four years ago) link
astonished that bj "babyface" armstrong still looks younger than me
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 04:42 (four years ago) link
just watched the last episode and my god the labradford smith story
― Clay, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:04 (four years ago) link
they brushed over the "it was complete bullshit" revelation WAY TOO FAST
― Nhex, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link
My mom def had (has?) a crush on MJ but also thought Horace Grant was pretty handsome: "look at those high cheekbones!"Only other NBA player's looks I remember her commenting on was Rony Seikaly: "looks like a Greek god" lol.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link
fascinating seeing winston cigarette advertising way up in the rafters in indy's arena in 95, i def don't remember that stuff being around sports arenas
― Clay, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 05:29 (four years ago) link
worth noting that although it worked out phil's idea of running a play for kukoc probably scanned as insane at the time, he was a rookie who ranked 11th on the team in true shooting. if they wanted to run a play for a shooter there were a couple of guys named steve kerr and bj armstrong.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link
This seems to be the same play pretty much?https://youtu.be/uUTfJlezXPY
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:06 (four years ago) link
^ Good thing the official timekeeper was working for a Bulls home game, because from the moment the ball touched kukoc's hands to when it left them was more than 0.8 seconds.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
lol reggie was such a bastard what happened to him
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
a truly all time heel who sucks so bad at his job now that i can barely appreciate what he used to be
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EX1eSxhX0AEIK-M?format=jpg&name=medium
― Spottie, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
^ note MJ's tongue (in profile) and all the empty seats.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 19:49 (four years ago) link
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:30 (four years ago) link
Not the fastest catch and shoot but that’s all it is, hard for that to be more than .7
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link
He catches while airborne, comes down, plants, makes a feint, then elevates, then shoots... in 0.8?
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link
yes
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link
watch it in slo mo
don't know what feint you're seeing there
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:06 (four years ago) link
I watched it again. Paused it and when he'd already caught it and was holding the ball at waist level, the clock shows.., 0.8 seconds.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link
isn't it 1.8 on the clock for that shot?
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link
ANYWAY.. I just watched it again. not mentioned in the doc - pippen's last two good looks leading up to that were 1) a brick 2) giving up possession on a shot clock violation.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link
and it's out of his hands with .3 left so..............
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link
........the Bulls officially won the game.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link
clock never really starts on the catch........because of the human brane
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
I watched part 7 last night. Pippen bailing was completely new to me--I guess I wasn't paying attention to basketball at all at that point. Amazing...I was trying to think if I've ever seen anything comparable in baseball, but I'm not sure that you can even having something comparable in baseball.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
a starter getting pinch hit for in bot of 9th?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link
In terms of the perceived insult, yes, but he's being removed from the game by the manager; Pippen removed himself. Maybe if you sent your closer out in the 6th in a non-crucial situation because you'd lost confidence in him and he refused to go out.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link
xp I still remember Trent Tucker hitting that shot to win game with .1 seconds left. Caused them to make rule that anything less than .3 had to be a tip in/volley.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link
The Bulls, led by first-year head coach Phil Jackson, later filed an official protest with the NBA about the play. By their estimate, the play took closer to 0.4 seconds. However, timekeeper Bob Billings and referee Ronnie Nunn, who were working that game, claimed everything went perfectly fine. The protest was disallowed.
lol never change, nba refs
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link
After the Trent tucker thing they did slow motion studies and found that .3 is the minimum amount of time for anyone to catch and shoot. But .8 is a lot longer! Pretty much everyone has a catch and shoot faster than that.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link
That Trent tucker shot was QUICK, admittedly. Probably right at .3.
― Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
wikipedia says they used studies done in Europe, where they'd been using the tenths game/shot clock for awhile already. but yeah dude had a super quick release.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link
so many slow game clock stops throughout a half add up to at least a few seconds of unfairly lost time. we need chipped balls and computer vision to be sure who wins a ball game.
― Morton Koopa Jr. Sings Elvis (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 23:56 (four years ago) link
https://awfulannouncing.com/si/steve-wulf-writer-sports-illustrated-admits-he-was-wrong-on-michael-jordan-playing-baseball.html
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
I am guessing there were several closers in the 90s and 00s who made it clear they wouldn't come out before the 9th, especially when contracts have dumb clauses about how "50 saves" earns you another few million and your arm can go at any point
still to do it during a playoff game is just nuts, I cannot believe Scottie saying he wouldn't change a thing, wtf
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
the baseball stuff was fascinating, wish they'd spent more time on that. kinda respect Michael for actually doing it, after teasing everyone for a couple years that he was done. can't imagine how crazy that must've been to live through as a Bulls fan, outside of LeBron's Decision I can't think of anything even remotely close to that. otoh walking away after winning 3 straight titles still feels crazy to me, at that point you're not quite cemented as the best player ever and I find it hard to believe that MJ really couldn't find the 'motivation' to win another title, wtf
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
go check out the 30 for 30 about jordan's baseball days, it's good.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
always wanted to see that, guess now is the time
was the general consensus that Jordan could've made the majors had he gotten another year to work at it? obviously 32 is pretty old for a debut but clearly the man was still in shape
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link
No. But he was said to be making "progress". Particularly in the Fall league just before the strike happened when he played for the Scottsdale Scorpions.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:35 (four years ago) link
I remember it was announced during a White Sox playoff game that he was gonna retire. Think he had thrown out the 1st pitch for it? Just total shock and sadness. Difficult to believe and process. Not only had just 1 3rd in a row, but he was in his prime! A lot of ppl thought it was just a reaction to his father's murder and he'd "snap out of it".
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link
the Jordan baseball 30 for 30 is really goodi might give it a rewatch myself
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
uh won not 1 xp
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link
yeah loved the stuff with his Barons teammates and his realtor
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
yah the bad boys, rodman and jordan baseball 30 for 30s are good supplemental viewing for this
― Spottie, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:53 (four years ago) link
A lot of ppl thought it was just a reaction to his father's murder and he'd "snap out of it".
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link
Going back to our earlier "is it helpful to be a psychopath and if not which players were able to pull it off and be competitive" conversation, Dave Zirin suggests Bill Russell.https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/last-dance-espn/
Jordan was pure capitalism: expanding his brand off the court, and a cutthroat bully with his own team. Russell was pure resistance: finding love and solidarity among teammates and fiercely holding onto his sense of self off of the court. His white teammates who didn’t show him solidarity, particularly on Russell’s proud struggles against racism, still loved him then and feel guilty today that they didn’t do more. One gets the feeling that the only regrets Jordan’s teammates have is that they didn’t stand up to him more and instead let him break their will. Russell had teammates who became his brothers for life. Jordan has generated only wary respect and resentful awe. The only people who “ride or die” for Jordan are personal assistants, trainers, and bodyguards: people paid to be in his presence.If The Last Dance had courage, it would be a cautionary tale instead of a hagiography. It would not only explore the price of greatness, or whatever such branded nonsense. It would be a warning: You don’t need to act this way if you want to win. It’s actually antithetical to what’s best about sports. You can get away with being the bully when you’re the best player on the planet. But being able to bully someone is not the same as a justification to do so. It’s exercising power over someone just for the sake of doing so. That’s not admirable. That’s abusive.
If The Last Dance had courage, it would be a cautionary tale instead of a hagiography. It would not only explore the price of greatness, or whatever such branded nonsense. It would be a warning: You don’t need to act this way if you want to win. It’s actually antithetical to what’s best about sports. You can get away with being the bully when you’re the best player on the planet. But being able to bully someone is not the same as a justification to do so. It’s exercising power over someone just for the sake of doing so. That’s not admirable. That’s abusive.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link
that last para some overwrought bollocks
he shouted at teammates and was probably unpleasant to be around at times, and probably fun at other times, let's not pretend he traumatised a bunch of athletes for life or something.
― oscar bravo, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link
ffs " antithetical to what’s best about sports" wtf does that even mean?
― oscar bravo, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link
yeah idk if the doc is just soft peddling what a jerk he was but c'mon I've played with dudes on softball teams who needled their teammates the same way, I don't really see him crossing the line in any of this
― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link