hello friends it's the 2018 NBA Playoffs, a place where dreams GO 2 DIE

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idk, i really like their talent and the defensive additions they made who can also space the floor. and iso scoring has a lot of value in the playoffs. the problem i'm seeing is that they really only play one style and can't shift to a faster, ball-movement offense when playing iso isn't effective. and despite the better defense overall they're very prone to easy mistakes even if they start off strong on a possession.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link

a good reg season team that isn’t a real playoff threat

They're a top four team playoff for sure. That's why they're in the western conference finals. The eastern conference finals aren't as tough to play your way into. I'm pretty sure the Rockets would beat the Cavs and compete pretty well with the Celtics. They just aren't as put-together as GSW.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link

i think the bron/kyrie teams of past could probably take these rockets

, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link

i mean it’s basically what goon was saying: the dubs exist therefore all is folly

Clay, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 17:59 (six years ago) link

2016 cavs vs 2018 rockets would be a fun 2k simulation I would dig

Clay, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:00 (six years ago) link

so scoring has a lot of value in the playoffs (but really shdnt be yr default)

sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link

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sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:01 (six years ago) link

right it can't be the only way you play

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link

what happened to 7 seconds or less dantoni? they are so predictable this way. warriors can win playing a handful of different styles and the rockets have the players and tools to do it as well.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link

their two best players won't play that style

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link

yeah thats prob it

sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link

kinda a dinosaurs vs asteroid situation

that's called Raptors vs LeBron now

frogbs, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link

i mean credit to the rockets for finding the best way to mesh two iso-extraordinaire players, a combo everybody was doubting prior to the season

, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link

mostly they did it by staggering minutes tho, which is prob not the ideal solution

sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link

crazy thing is that they didnt even use their most lethal play one time last night, the curry/kd pnr.

― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:30 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark

most lethal play to me is just when they get KD the post on the right block and he just shoots that little twisting fadeaway. it's basically a lay up.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:09 (six years ago) link

yeah the only hope of defending that one is not letting him get to his spot

sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:12 (six years ago) link

which wld be possible under different circumstances

sprout god (lag∞n), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link

most lethal play to me is just when they get KD the post on the right block and he just shoots that little twisting fadeaway. it's basically a lay up.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:09 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeh this is the fail safe

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link

what happened to 7 seconds or less dantoni? they are so predictable this way. warriors can win playing a handful of different styles and the rockets have the players and tools to do it as well.

― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago)

good coaches play to the strengths of their roster. I don't really buy the argument that iso-ball works in the regular season but not the playoffs -- and I'm not sure increasing variance (by slowing the game down and taking a ton of 3s) is necessarily a bad strategy against a team that, when healthy, is all-time great

k3vin k., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link

did not really feel like the variance was that increased last night

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

the rockets only shot four more 3s

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

just think you've got to mix it up. altho it seemed every time they tried something else last night it ended in a turnover.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link

ariza foul trouble really messed with their rotation last night. surprised dantoni tried out Nene. R Anderson probably wont see another minute in this series either.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link

i do also wonder if there's something to the idea of rhythm when it comes to off ball shooters, and how that's effected by an increase in isolation play by ball handlers. i guess we'll see what the shooting percentages of tucker/ariza/gordon etc look like at the end of the series

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link

yeah i agree ariza foul trouble throws a wrench to the analysis of last night xp

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:37 (six years ago) link

just think you've got to mix it up. altho it seemed every time they tried something else last night it ended in a turnover.

― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:34 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they don't really have experience doing anything else in the reg season so this isn't surprising.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

i do also wonder if there's something to the idea of rhythm when it comes to off ball shooters, and how that's effected by an increase in isolation play by ball handlers. i guess we'll see what the shooting percentages of tucker/ariza/gordon etc look like at the end of the series

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:37 AM (thirty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the reason kerr only uses isos and pnr when they have to. keeps the other players engaged on both ends.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

just think you've got to mix it up. altho it seemed every time they tried something else last night it ended in a turnover.

― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:34 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they don't really have experience doing anything else in the reg season so this isn't surprising.

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:38 AM (thirty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah true. we're probably just overreacting to game 1. that method got them a ton of dominant wins and the 1 seed. i think the rox will win game 2 pretty handily.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link

re: variance, it's tough to play slow when you're the far inferior defensive team and expect to have good results. a good way to increase variance would be to replace chris paul 2s with 3s from other shooters.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link

good lord KD looked unstoppable at times last night. Murderer's row from midrange.

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link

CP took 7 3s last night

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link

thought Klay was really effective on him, always has been

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:47 (six years ago) link

kevon looney's D was... really good

, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:50 (six years ago) link

really? i didn't think he was doing much.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link

never left his feet

i also like how it seems all NBA players have learned to jump around a 3 shooter to avoid fouling them on the contest

, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link

yeah looney was really solid, got blown by a couple times but so did everyone else. he's prob the best big they have against the pnr (outside of dray)

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link

nothing worse than the pervasive flopping that goes on by players who bomb fadeaway threes and somehow must hit the floor on a touch foul

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link

think we discussed on here but one reason (some) players do it is to allow for a softer landing on your feet if you feel someone is encroaching your landing zone. avoids the ankle sprains. it does get extreme tho yea

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link

Pj Tucker and Luc combined 0-9 last night. luc looked like he was playing to avoid re-injuring his shoulder, hes prob unplayable in this series if that's the case.

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link

yeah he didn't look like he should be on the floor. his 3s were way off.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 19:04 (six years ago) link

i've started kind of aggressively rooting for the rockets

what is this feeling should i go to the doctor

everyone is doing it

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link

another issue with attacking steph or looney on every posession is that it lets kd save all his energy for offense

micah, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link

Warriors-Rockets was TNT’s most-watched Western Conference finals opener ever with 8.8 million viewers and most-watched West Game 1 on any network since Lakers/Kings in 2002.

— Brian Mahoney (@briancmahoney) May 15, 2018

they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link

i've enjoyed the d'antoni rockets greatly, but i don't think i ever /rooted/ for them until these playoffs due to like, psychic scars from their last dwight year, when they were one of the most excruciating-to-watch constantly televised teams ever (and thus inescapable if you lacked league pass & watched national games to get yr fix)

i was even rooting for them against the underdog wolves bc i thought we might see jimmy butler's spine shatter on live tv if thibs played him longer

last year's Rockets were the best watch in the league

ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link

infinite harden drive and kicks into 30ft 3s

ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link

i really don't understand the problem with the warriors

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link

incredibly talented team who plays a very exciting style of basketball?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 May 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link

my problem with them is kd taking a big pay cut to play with them, it breaks the purpose of the salary cap from a viewer's perspective. the team was already talented and exciting 2 years ago, now it just feels like they've subverted the rules

ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 21:55 (six years ago) link


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