2017 NBA OFFSEASON

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would wear (City) (team name) apparel.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 23 June 2017 01:57 (nine years ago)

i saw a projection system that had TJ Leaf as the 4th best player in the draft

Cuz markannen

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:00 (nine years ago)

i remember somethingawful used to sell City Name Sports Team apparel like 12 years ago

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:00 (nine years ago)

jarrett allen seems like a very nice tall guy who happens to play basketball here and there

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:01 (nine years ago)

he's infringing on my brand

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:02 (nine years ago)

brad stevens "nothing matters"

Brad Stevens on whether he sees Jayston Tatum as a 3 or a 4: "It doesn't matter." Asked who Tatum guards: "Whoever."

— Jay King (@ByJayKing) June 23, 2017

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:03 (nine years ago)

good answer imo

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:05 (nine years ago)

position isn't discrete anymore

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:05 (nine years ago)

did og go this low just because of the injury? seems like a lot to like w/him.

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:06 (nine years ago)

ya i think so

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:06 (nine years ago)

There are so many good players in this draft

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:07 (nine years ago)

It's gonna be one of those drafts where stars are littered through the draft order instead of all being top 15

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:07 (nine years ago)

i trust in the celtics to draft a star at 37

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:08 (nine years ago)

my friend saw OG at the toronto airport the other day and i never saw it reported that he worked out for them haha

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:11 (nine years ago)

apparently giles was seen as like a once in a generation prospect before the knee stuff

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:12 (nine years ago)

at 37 the boston celtics select... gordon hayward

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:12 (nine years ago)

Tyler Lyndon looks better than trey Lyles at being trey lyles

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:13 (nine years ago)

another big wtie

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:13 (nine years ago)

Memphis has acquired the 35th overall pick from Orlando, league source tells @TheVertical.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@WojVerticalNBA) June 23, 2017

congratulation to memphis

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:18 (nine years ago)

Pasecniks seems like just a guy to me

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:19 (nine years ago)

tyler lydon is another guy pelton really likes

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:20 (nine years ago)

pasecniks headed to philly not orlando

magic have given up on this draft apparently

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:21 (nine years ago)

frank jackson is gonna be a steal this low, he's a skilled scorer. not a great athlete but a strong body for a guard. reminds me of gary harris or something.

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:23 (nine years ago)

im trying to listen to van halen now but teams keep making draft picks what the heck!@!

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:24 (nine years ago)

they cant get enough of it

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:26 (nine years ago)

swanigan seems like a classic al jefferson type PF

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:26 (nine years ago)

lol thI blazers drafted chunk

Clay, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:26 (nine years ago)

thats so classic

ciderpress, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:26 (nine years ago)

don't want to make too much fun of this large dude since he came from circumstances but yeah he seems like he would have been a great power forward in like 1994.

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:27 (nine years ago)

thread

Dolan has now done a "persona change" as some kind of carnival master to sing his song Ballyhoo. Top hat, scarf, glasses pic.twitter.com/AVRjFsp4Of

— Charlotte Wilder (@TheWilderThings) June 23, 2017

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:33 (nine years ago)

preordained

Rich Gotham says Danny Ainge has been a big fan of Jayson Tatum since his junior year of high school.

— Brian Robb (@CelticsHub) June 23, 2017

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:35 (nine years ago)

that james dolan pic is a serious mindfuck

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:37 (nine years ago)

I think about Dolan's music so often

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:46 (nine years ago)

i think a lot about how one rationalizes their decision to join the straight shot, like i'm all about getting paid but my principles are really challenged when it comes to joining the straight shot.

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:50 (nine years ago)

Chicago Bulls: F

After Chicago reportedly demanded multiple high draft picks (including the one that ultimately landed No. 1 overall) from the Boston Celtics at the trade deadline, it's stunning to see the Bulls deal Butler for such a paltry package.

In Butler, the Bulls had one of the most valuable player contracts in the entire league. Butler, who rated third in the league in wins produced based on ESPN's real plus-minus (RPM) behind LeBron James and Stephen Curry in 2016-17, has two more guaranteed years remaining at $18.7 and $19.8 million before a player option for 2019-20 (also for $19.8 million) that he's sure to decline barring injury. Over those two years, I project his production as worth about $90 million, giving Butler more than $50 million in surplus value to his team. That ranks 10th in the league.

Clearly, Chicago is valuing Dunn like the elite point guard prospect a handful of teams thought he was during the draft process this time a year ago and LaVine as a guard with star potential. Those assessments don't hold up to stronger scrutiny.

Given his age, Dunn was never a favorite of my statistical draft projections. He ranked 18th among last year's prospects in my stats-only projections and seventh when his draft slot (fifth overall, which also is predictive) was taken into account.

Dunn's performance as a rookie reconfirmed those concerns. He shot just 28.8 percent from 3-point range on 2.0 attempts per 36 minutes, and he wasn't much better inside the arc, at 40.4 percent. Among the 282 players who played at least 1,000 minutes last season, Dunn's .432 true shooting percentage ranked dead last.

On the plus side, Dunn showed strong defensive potential, and he played a little better off the ball after Minnesota coach Tom Thibodeau began playing him alongside pass-first point guard Tyus Jones. It's true that point guards develop later than players at other positions, so we shouldn't think of Dunn as a finished product at age 23.

That said, no objective analysis of Dunn's rookie season suggests he's likely to develop into an NBA starting point guard, which is how the Bulls are almost certainly valuing him in this trade.

Then there's LaVine, who showed exciting scoring ability before a torn ACL ended his 2016-17 campaign in early February. His 18.9 points per game last season were the sixth most by a player age 22 or younger, trailing Timberwolves teammates Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins, All-Star Giannis Antetokounmpo, Devin Booker and Jabari Parker. LaVine accomplished that on good efficiency, posting a .576 true shooting percentage.

The problem is on the defensive end of the court. LaVine is a poor individual defender whose team defense instincts are lacking. He also generates few steals and is a nonfactor on the defensive glass. LaVine's minus-2.4 defensive RPM ranked in the league's bottom 30. To become something more than a potent sixth man, LaVine will have to improve defensively.

Worse yet, LaVine is entering the final season of his rookie contract. A realistic timetable for his recovery from ACL surgery makes it unlikely LaVine will be back for training camp, meaning Chicago will probably have to decide on a possible extension for him before seeing him take the court. The Bulls can wait for LaVine to become a restricted free agent and decide whether to match any offer, certainly, but at that point, he would be more likely to be fairly paid than the kind of bargain Chicago should have been seeking as part of a package for Butler.

Without being in the room for trade talks, it's tough to know what kind of offers the Bulls passed on to make this deal. But given that Dunn and LaVine should have relatively little trade value and Chicago had to give up its own first-round pick to move up just seven spots (a move equivalent to the value of the 23rd pick, per my trade value chart), it's hard to imagine there wasn't a better deal available.

If this truly was the best the Bulls could do for Butler right now, then I'm not sure I understand the urgency to move him. In the worst-case scenario, where Butler's trade value eroded further, Chicago could have just held on to Butler and tried to compete in the Eastern Conference during his prime.

I get the argument for moving Butler because the Bulls aren't particularly competitive with him, but not if this is all they could get in return. This package doesn't set Chicago up for a future any brighter than the eighth-seed purgatory the team was already in.

Minnesota Timberwolves: A+

For a year, we've been waiting for Thibodeau's regime to make a win-now move. The Timberwolves resisted last summer, spending modestly in free agency to conserve cap space for this year, and at the trade deadline. Now that this deal has finally come, it's far better than anyone could have imagined or perhaps even dreamed.

My fear was that Minnesota would continue to overvalue Dunn, moving starting point guard Ricky Rubio for pennies on the dollar to clear room for Dunn in the starting lineup. While we don't know if the Timberwolves will keep Rubio, the organization didn't hesitate to move on from Dunn when he fell short of expectations. And if you're as down on Dunn and LaVine as I am, the Timberwolves didn't do much to hurt their long-term future.

It's still a little early for Minnesota to really contend in the Western Conference. Wiggins is 22 and Towns won't turn 22 until November. But given their age, another year of learning Thibodeau's defense and their hope of improving their bad luck in close games, the Timberwolves were likely to improve by simply bringing back the same roster. Now, Minnesota should be considered heavy favorites to make the playoffs for the first time since reaching the 2004 Western Conference finals.

Amazingly, assuming Nikola Pekovic's salary is medically excluded (the Timberwolves recently waived the center, who didn't play at all last season due to injury) and Minnesota renounces the rights to restricted free agent Shabazz Muhammad, the team could still clear nearly $20 million in cap space to add to this group.

Barring a Rubio trade, the idea of pairing Paul Millsap with Towns in the frontcourt is probably off the table, but the Timberwolves can shop for a lower-cost upgrade at power forward to complement Towns and Gorgui Dieng. (One possibility? Nikola Mirotic, a restricted free agent who doesn't appear to be in the Bulls' plans now that they drafted Arizona forward Lauri Markkanen with the pick they acquired in this trade.)

While this mix isn't perfect -- Rubio, Butler and Wiggins don't offer enough shooting as a perimeter trio -- 45 wins is well within Minnesota's capability next season, and 50 wins is a distinct possibility. The Timberwolves have the next couple of years to try to win enough games to convince Butler to stick around long term. But that worry is for another day. As of tonight, Minnesota is a huge winner.

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:53 (nine years ago)

kris dunn having the lowest true shooting in the entire NBA last season is o___O

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:53 (nine years ago)

a few yeara ago a casual knicks fan friend was talking about how the team cld turn it around so i played him that segment about the straight shot and after he was like ok i see now they will never turn it around

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:54 (nine years ago)

dolan prob the worst owner in sports aside from dan snyder

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:56 (nine years ago)

not even morally just in terms of running a complete circus of a franchise that makes sustained success completely unattainable

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:56 (nine years ago)

vivek giving him a run for his money in the NBA tho

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:57 (nine years ago)

Whoa frank jackson's jumper is cute

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:58 (nine years ago)

Vivek is the worst because he does everything

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:58 (nine years ago)

xxxp yeah i knew kris dunn was bad but that is pretty scary stuff. and the evaluation doesn't take into account how one might feel about markkanen who doesn't look like a starter to me.

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:58 (nine years ago)

Ehhh markkanen could be really great

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 02:59 (nine years ago)

also that lavine contract situation is rough too

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:59 (nine years ago)

markkanen seems like he has a pretty low floor, like at worst he's jon leuer or something which is a decent role player

J0rdan S., Friday, 23 June 2017 02:59 (nine years ago)

gonna be fun to find out what kind of offers the bulls turned down

lag∞n, Friday, 23 June 2017 03:00 (nine years ago)

agree markkanen has a low floor but i'm not seeing a lot of secondary skills w/him

call all destroyer, Friday, 23 June 2017 03:01 (nine years ago)

Lavine is on his rookie contract what's the problem

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 03:01 (nine years ago)

The thing about Dunn is that lots of GMs fucking love him. One year wasn't enough to make them realize they were wrong

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 23 June 2017 03:02 (nine years ago)


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