DRAY v KLAY

his playmaking is good but no one wld be talking abt it if he wasnt playing with guys who constantly create the halfcourt fast break, like he cant take advantage of ppl going under on the pnr cause hes not a good enough shooter etc, hed have 4-5 assists a game on a normal team, and lets be clear on his scoring hes shooting 43% and scoring 10 a game in a situation where he gets more open looks than anyone else in the entire nba, hes is bad at doing points

― lag∞n, Friday, February 24, 2017 1:11 PM (four hours ago)

his usage is like 15% because he plays on the same team as the 2 best offensive players in the NBA, come on

if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

― k3vin k., Friday, February 24, 2017 12:08 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree with this

― J0rdan S., Friday, February 24, 2017 1:08 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the warriors shd be given credit for coming up with a great system for their players, the difference between the jackson years and now is lol, but there are a lot of players that cld work in drays spot the system wld just have to shift, which isnt that hard to do when you have the talent they do

― lag∞n, Friday, February 24, 2017 1:13 PM (four hours ago)

omg you might have heard of this thing called the death lineup for which he is the centerpiece

lol he is not

without dray that lineup gives up approximately one million points per possession

well yeah playing 4 on 5 is never gonna work

oh you

lol

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imo if you put klay on a bad team he puts up an empty 24-25 ppg. if anyone is a system player it is he. the warriors system works because of drays versatility not the other way around

I don't think "he would just average 25 ppg" is a strong argument that someone is a system player

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lol

bad results!!

is results the name of your dog?

im with k3vin on this one

it is quite possible that many ilh voters mistakenly believed they were voting for beloved poster me, thus skewing the results

i know i did

i thought i was voting for pottery

I voted for Klay to revolt against the elites

ugh so mad at you

http://a1.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0316%2Fr191066_1296x864_3%2D2.jpg&w=360&h=240&scale=crop&cquality=40&location=center

something for everyone here

“You know what, Steph Curry has took a step back,” Rodman said. “And it’s cool. It’s actually cool because if you see his game now, I always said with that Golden State team, I always say one thing: that one player is the player right there that makes that team. Who is that player?…

“That is right there: Thompson,” Rodman said. “That kid right there is good. If he went to another team, he’d suck. What I’m saying is that Klay Thompson makes that team. Everybody’s always worried about Curry. I know Curry’s dad and all that bulls—. But Klay Thompson makes that team. It ain’t Green, that guy, no. It’s Klay Thompson.”

lol im 90% sure rodman meant to be talking about dray and just doubled down when he realized what hed done

also he wanted to compliment dray cause of the similarities of their games but then felt threatened by that and said hed suck on another team

why are so many of these x-players so dumb.

if were talking abt designing an alt basketball league with rules that contrast to nba play id go with: 1st to 100 no game clock, 4 on 4 short court, no foul shots players just get the points if theyre fouled in the act, no charges on plays where the defender isnt actively guarding the ball handler ie no sliding in on a driver, soccer style rolling inbounding, hockey style live line changes, no live ball timeouts, 20 second shot clock, euro style playing the ball off the rim in the cylinder, wider court so the 3pt line is uniform and theres more room to shoot in corners, more room under the basket ie move the baseline back relative to the basket, 40 game season, no fouling out, call the foul after the play on fastbreaks, ... and trampolines jk

lol wrong thred

maybe ill make a new thread

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/to-ron-adams-draymond-green-is-the-defensive-equivalent-of-steph-currys-magic/

pretty cool list

http://bkref.com/tiny/5o3Cg

omg the junkyard dog

oh wait no i was thinking of a diff junkyard dog

http://bkref.com/tiny/tNnSs

klay's career playoff numbers x_x

I'd take Draymond. Not close, he's way more unique, valuable. You could find a reasonable Klay facsimile, but not one for Draymond https://t.co/7XGvRXeqGe

— Haralabos Voulgaris (@haralabob) May 31, 2017

kevins twitter crush said so

dray > klay

— Kevin (@radiokeller) June 1, 2017

testing to see if deleted tweets get deleted on ilx

stet up to stuff

it's a pretty sick feature major props

yeah that showed foresight

still can't believe this is up for debate

haha tbf to others i honestly didn't realize the whole thing embedded if you have images on, i can see how that could start to be annoying. the images off version is pretty ideal tho

i like seeing the whole tweet

oh weird i didnt know that either (as i have images off)

images are good folks

theyre cool if u want to look at stuff

they're bad actually

hmm that doesnt seem right but maybe

no they are indeed the best thing

ahh a lively debate for all

they're actually fine i just mostly use ilx at work and prefer it to be text only

actualkyk,,

can i say one of the things that annoys me with the canonization of dray is people are always talking about the grabbing and going and say how many teams have a center who can do that, and they say that about a lot of the stuff he does, but dray has spent the great majority of his career playing the four, and the reason for that is he couldnt hold up as a full time center

not that many true 4s doing that either!

its a lot more than centers, i mean no ones saying whos got a four who can do that because then youd have to list a bunch of teams and the point wouldnt really land, which is why they say center

if we're talking about who's more essential to the dubs dynasty i think the answer is dray based on all the otm stuff jordan said a few posts ago.

the original q of this thread was "who is better at basketball" which sounds more like a simmonsy where do they rank in the pantheon kind of thing tho, and to that i can't help but feel like dray's career ended up being his absolute best case scenario, whereas we'll never really know how klay would have developed as a player if he had had to be the guy. not saying the klay we ended up with wasn't the perfect match for his role, but i can imagine his game developing differently and his racking up more individual type accolades if he hadn't playing next to steph, maybe was instead paired with a conventional all star big man like lamarcus aldridge or something

idk i think one of the things that makes the question interesting is klay also benefited from being on the warriors i mean what does a shooter want but open shots, in conclusion the answer to dray vs kay is steph

can't argue with that

i think klay is prob a better basketball player but i also think klay’s skills are very identifiable — quick release, perfect form, ability to shoot at crazy angles, could put it on the floor in his prime. even on defense, what he did — guard the best perimeter player — was very central to the action occupying the eye.

with dray some of his skills are like that, like when he runs the break as a big, his passing, his chemistry with steph would be apparent to even a novice. but a lot of what he does especially on defense is him having a very sharp basketball mind, not rim protection or locking down the no 1 man or whatever. it’s entirely possible he’s the better basketball player than klay

They're both Brock Purdy and Steph is Shanahan. System players.

Come on, they've had individual and team performances that are all time. Dray's game 7 performance in the 2016 finals says everything about him. He's the ultimate team player and when motivated would have been an elite piece on any team. His superpower is his drive and pettiness.

As well as intelligence. The only way he's a "bust" is if some completely incompetent coaching missed his potential.

By bust I mean "average" or an afterthought of a player. As a second rounder, any value is a win.

Still love Dray's hatred for Dillon Brooks: https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/draymond-green-dillon-brooks-rockets-playoffs/1848216/

i have my issues with dray but he is correct to hate brooks and gobert

Dray does much questionable stuff on the court but generally pretty otm about who he respects and doesn’t. Also he’s a good sport in losing and gives lots of love and complements to players around the league. His interview after game 6 was interesting, admitting he lost his cool and hadn’t been himself all series. Had a team meeting and owned up to it all. Then played easily his best game when it mattered most. Eternally interesting guy, one day introspective and self realized then the next doing something new and dumb. and because of how hated he is will probably never really be rated correctly by fans. Guy at work yesterday was telling me he’s the worst player in the league and doesn’t understand how he’s still in the league and starting. I really wasn’t sure what to do with that.

A lot of people just ballwatch

discussing dray's value as a basketball player is one of the easiest ways to filter out casuals

voters in this poll excepted!

iirc this poll was initiated immediately after a flurry of Dray's flailing-leg nut-kicking, which may have tended to skew the results against him a bit

Dray is a throwback to the enforcer/bodyguard types, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQb8dK4MC-E

klay cheatin'

https://bsky.app/profile/hottieshq.bsky.social/post/3mkdqjulyds27

what a fuckin fumble

like obv no one deserves to be cheated on, but cheating on meg is like...buddy you will just never find happiness lmao, the problem is you