2015 NBA 'OFFS

u know who got exposed as a surprise bottom ten type coach this year lionel hollins

kinda think maybe the league passed him by, or that brooklyn sitch is so messed up he's just casually cashing his checks knowing he's probably going to get canned anyway

they're sort of jammed up cap wise and they cashed in so many draft picks that trying to upgrade on monty might be their only significant move left, but i'm not sure who they could hire that would suddenly vault them to the top half of the west

xp i think it's a combination of both bc he is m/l well-liked for his work with the grizz as far as i know, but i really dont know if anyone can do much of anything with that team of malcontents and outdated dudes so he's probably like fuck it

they're sort of jammed up cap wise and they cashed in so many draft picks that trying to upgrade on monty might be their only significant move left, but i'm not sure who they could hire that would suddenly vault them to the top half of the west

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:58 AM (53 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally anyone who can implement a spurs-style offense. they have the brow and shooters. this doesn't need to be rocket science

need willing players, maybe all players are willing under the right circumstances idk

def requires a high level of unselfishness/heads up play

i mean if you could just snap your fingers and implement a "spurs-style offense" the spurs would not be the spurs

also who on the pelicans can shoot

a spurs-style offense also runs counter to the notion that brow needs to see the ball much more

apparently eric gordon can but that is a. not enough b. prob not sustainable

cole & tyreke also inconsistent and then who else is there...luke babbitt?

ryan anderson but i guess he doesn't play anymore

gordon and ryan anderson are both very good shooters, plus QP. midlevel shooter types are going to want to play with davis

i don't see how it's on the coach to implement a spurs-style offense when his front office trades two first round picks for jrue holiday, a first round pick for omer asik and gives tyreke evans $45 million

xp forgot pondexter, he's been good

the front office has been atrocious, which i suppose is to be expected bc own the new orleans saints and that is going the opposite of swimmingly

*they own

a spurs-style offense also runs counter to the notion that brow needs to see the ball much more

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 21, 2015 12:42 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was thinking this too

A Spurs style offense has the ball changing hands a lot, he'd probably see more of it and in more advantageous situations.

no one on the spurs averages more than 13 shots per game. anthony davis shot 17 times per game this season.

a spurs style offense in which anthony davis shoots more than he already does is not a spurs style offense

feel like w the spurs theyre focused on getting good shots but not getting any particular player a high volume of good shots that wld be something at least a lil different

lol xp

Have to imagine a Spurs offense with a bonafide go-to guy (which Kawhi isn't quite yet) would function differently.

His FGA are only likely to go up at this point

Kawhi that is

dont think kawhi will ever be a goto guy hes a much more in the flow of the game type which makes him perfect for the spurs

A go-to scorer can operate within the flow of an offense if he's dominant or creates enough panic in defenses that good ball movement results in easy opportunities for him.

Kawhi might never be a gunner but he'll lead them in scoring and there will be more pressure on him to take on that role as the big 3 diminish.

this is a funny conversation as it applies to the pelicans specifically because it's not like the spurs were some dead end franchise that all of a sudden rocketed to the top of the league because they devised this new style of offense.

they won multiple championships when they ran their offense through a historically talented big man

kawhi scored his career game high a few weeks ago, it was 27pts, hes been in the league four years and the most hes ever scored in a single game is 27pts

if kawhi is yr best offensive threat yr team is prob gonna have trouble scoring

Which is hardly surprising given that he plays within a highly disciplined and successful system that hasn't required him to score in volume. Can't actually remember the last time a Spurs player put up 40.

hes literally never put up 30 in one game ever in four year lol

Well they've won a lot more games than any other team over that period so clearly it hasn't hurt them.

im not sure what youre even talking about now

the spurs are incredibly unique, that's what makes them the spurs. i find the "play like the spurs!!" talk to be pretty limiting

obv there are certain core principles the spurs currently adhere to that many teams across the league should probably adopt as well, but every team can't just be the spurs

well the hawks have been playing like the spurs and generally the whole league is moving in that direction imo as far as more ball movement and balance fewer isos and so forth

You'd imagine a dominant players in that style of offense (Or at least the elements of it that can be approximated) would see a lot of easy opportunities.

i think every team should move the ball. the pelicans might have won last night if they didn't have tyreke evans barreling toward the rim on one leg throwing shots off the underside of the rim.

but the spurs/hawks blueprint is a pretty specific sort of team that's not really a realistic model

idk like if u look at the bron era heat that wld be a better example imo of a quality ball movement offense that was designed to get a few particular players good shots whereas the spurs/hawks are agnostic abt who gets the shots

xp

i agree that the pelicans should go small more often, spread the floor, have more shooters etc but again the front office has decided to sign players that necessitate they play a diff style. it's not like this is mark jackson fundamentally misusing incredible backcourt playmakers and shooters like steph and klay.

really think brow shd play center mostly

get him closer to the basket on both ends

yeah i was thinking that the bron era heat model might be a more realistic blueprint for the pellies, with brow being the focal point out of the elbow/block with shooters around him.

Is Davis a good enough passer for that to work though?

hes a good passer and will no doubt only get better

they already play inside out w him at the elbow a lot but mostly theyre just dumping it to him there and letting him create rather than doing anything to encourage a good look

dont think kawhi will ever be a goto guy hes a much more in the flow of the game type which makes him perfect for the spurs

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:17 PM (31 minutes ago

kawhi stops the ball plenty actually

it's more about having a system. davis can still get plenty of touches, take advantage of his playmaking abilities, and affect the game on defense. but teams like the spurs/dubs/hawks etc have the whole team buying into the system and can integrate their second units too

obviously they require personnel but they have some decent pieces now, plus anthony davis is going to be the best player in the world starting next year and people are gonna want to play with him. it'll work out

idk if u have a bad org it often does not work out, see bron in cleve

he spurs are incredibly unique, that's what makes them the spurs. i find the "play like the spurs!!" talk to be pretty limiting

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:32 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obv there are certain core principles the spurs currently adhere to that many teams across the league should probably adopt as well, but every team can't just be the spurs

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:33 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well the hawks have been playing like the spurs and generally the whole league is moving in that direction imo as far as more ball movement and balance fewer isos and so forth

― lag∞n, Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:33 PM (19 minutes ago)

this is what i'm saying. this is the direction the league is moving in, this is what all the best teams are doing. take advantage of the situation now while you have a happy historically good player

kawhi stops the ball plenty actually

― k3vin k., Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kawhi does some isos in the post tho often w mismatches but hes never gonna be anywhere close to a harden/durant/etc type of player who can constantly bring the ball up and make u eat it, hes a very cool player but hes just not a scoring machine

ftr, when i said "spurs-style offense" i should have just said a more general term like pace and space

if ryan anderson can remember how to play basketball there is no reason the pellies should not be a top-5 offensive team

yeah brow/funtional anderson is a p sweet frontcourt