waiting for the other shoelace to drop: 2013-2014 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

the knicks are obvs epically fucked from a cap etc standpoint but they do have a built in advantage for attracting free agents which isnt nothing

his role would prob be close to that of team president a la riley or bird, yeah. but those guys can mold the front office the way they want.

riley makes most (all?) basketball decisions and works closely with a cap guy

bird meanwhile hired a nominal GM but prob still has input on basketball decisions

Phil never struck me as the guy to bring in on a rebuilding project. Not much patience with young players. Having him as the architect of a major overhaul seems dumb.

assume knicks sign phil and keep carmelo. what do they do, with who is available and their cap space, over the next three years? not sure who constitutes the pieces they could get to build around anthony.

it won't matter if they can't convince melo to take a massive pay cut

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

assuming they extend melo (which phil or no phil i sorta doubt this happens) add ~25 million increasing by a couple million annually til 2019 or whatever. so they have some flexibility in the summer of 2016.

but that flexibility comes along with basically having no players

well, that was the heat's plan, too.

i dunno. this feels more like a "bill parcells becomes head of dolphins football operations" than "pat riley becomes head of heat basketball operations." but maybe he'd be fantastic, who knows.

Jordan Schultz ‏@Schultz_Report -- I would expect Phil Jackson to take over Knicks Head of Basketball Operations by Monday.

done deal?

i take this as a bid for credibility and as such as bid to keep melo around. phil's not the architect that riles is.

i'm not gonna dare to dream that we're gonna get Phil Jackson. but if we do... yes, time to clear house

riles also didn't have to lock horns with a dolan-like figure

have to assume phil demanded complete control as a prerequisite

he apparently did demand, and would get, total, complete control.

phil's not the architect that riles is.

― call all destroyer, Saturday, March 8, 2014

how do we know this?

Jordan Schultz ‏@Schultz_Report -- Really feels like Dolan giving Phil Jackson full control has changed everything. Might be the best move he's ever made for the Knicks.

a minor overreaction?

considering dolan has never made a good move for the knicks

yeah pretty much any move that wrests control away from his own hands is a solid play compared to, say, the bargnani trade

if this actually happens, just by default, it would be the best move he ever did for the Knicks

oh well, begin mapping out the NYC parade route for the coming knick dynasty.

who the f is jordan schultz

dare 2 dream

anyway james dolan could hand control of the franchise to a vending machine and it would be the best move he's ever made

who the f is jordan schultz

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Saturday, March 8, 2014

huffpo sports, nbc sports-radio host.

itll be cool to have phil back in our lives

i missed him its true

i didn't.

more details

Phil Jackson may be 'a very expensive consultant who would have final say.'

Phil Jackson is seriously considering the Knicks' offer to join their front office in a role that would give him final say on basketball decisions, a league source told CBSSports.com on Saturday.

Jackson, 68, is said to be leaning toward taking the job if the structure is right, said the source, who has been briefed on the Knicks' conversations with the 13-time NBA champion.

Jackson is considering a front office structure with Steve Mills and Allan Houston handling the day-to-day duties while reporting to Jackson, the person said. At this point, it is not clear whether the rest of the Knicks' front-office lieutenants would stay if Jackson takes the job.

Jackson, an 11-time champion as a coach -- and two-time champion as a player for the Knicks -- has stated he is finished on the sideline. The Knicks' front-office job is extremely appealing to him "if the setup is right," the person briefed on the discussions said.

But that, according to league sources, may be a big obstacle given Madison Square Garden's complicated corporate structure and the overbearing influence of owner and Garden chairman James Dolan.

Jackson recently told USA Today that he was speaking with several teams about various front office roles. Indeed, the Knicks' opportunity is not the only one he is considering. Jackson was expected to head up basketball operations for the Kings franchise if it had moved to Seattle last year. He also has served in an advisory role this season with the Detroit Pistons.

Despite his heightened interest in the Knicks' job, Jackson is said to be interested in less day-to-day involvement than, say, Pat Riley has as president of the Miami Heat. One league source described Jackson's potential role as "a very expensive consultant who would have final say."

But Jackson, with his championship resume and stature in the game, would fill at least one role similar to what Riley has done with the Heat -- attracting free agents. Mired in one of their most disappointing seasons in a quarter century, the Knicks desperately need a sweeping change of leadership that would send a message to prospective free agent Camelo Anthony -- and any stars who may want to play with him -- that the Garden is finally serious about turning the Knicks over to capable, unencumbered hands.

The timetable for Jackson's decision is not known, but the New York Daily News reported that he's expected to decide this week

Phil Jackson may be 'a very expensive consultant who would have final say.'

ha wow that sounds like one recipe for disaster

yeah, that really makes it seem like a less than part-time job, mostly PR move.

it sounds like he m/l wants to be a figurehead

if he has final say its most def not a pr move, a pr move would be better than hiring someone whos not even intersted enough to show up every day to be yr decision maker

unless hes just planning on rubber stamping everything in which case whats the point

this way he can die as king of the knicks

my guess is that PJ has too much ego to just show up for the paycheck, but who knows

prob just wants to come into the office a couple times a week, putter around, make uninformed decisions for a billion dollar company

sounds like he's going to (a) sometimes recruit free-agents and (b) sometimes assess talent and (c) sometimes offer suggestions and (d) what's the point?

again offer suggestions != final say

seems much more likely phil is arrogant enough to believe he can build a contender in his spare time

he's definitely arrogant enough to believe that. there seems to be tension between the notion of a "consultant," who usually suggests rather than decides, and someone with "final say." could be both, tho, it's true.

NYK playing well now, to impress the new boss.

also obvs biding his time until he can swoop in and coach them to a title

haha

that would be very unlike him, since jackson is well known for building and coaching a champion from scratch.

Phil: Yo, Chris... Gonna say no to resigning Amar'e. Now gimme 15 billion dollars

phil: we will assemble a champion. is derek fisher a free agent?

nyk playing tonight to impress phil (new boss from afar). cavs tonight playing to impress lebron (watching game in a cavs suite).

Lol Phil ain't doing that shit he's playing us again y'all

But wait doesn't he usually profess some love for the Knicks since he played for them

And you know there's some part of him that hates that pat Riley gets this in his bio and he doesn't: "He is the first and only North American sports figure to win a championship as a player, coach (both assistant and head), and executive."

lol yeah prob

this game is a comedy of errors. phil should call lebron, right now, and both take a vow to stay in their current roles.