waiting for the other shoelace to drop: 2013-2014 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

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The only way San Antonio or Miami don't win the championship is if neither team makes the finals.
4:20 AM - 7 Mar 2014

tsrobodo, Friday, 7 March 2014 04:55 (twelve years ago)

or.. they both make the finals again?

wait, i'm shouldn't even

Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 04:57 (twelve years ago)

once they get in the finals they are unbeatable, except by each other, but in the other rounds they are beatable. This makes sense.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 04:59 (twelve years ago)

bonnie prince birdman

A+ work

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:02 (twelve years ago)

looking at the thunder box score and who played what minutes and i'm pretty confused, it's like they hate all their guards not named russell

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:06 (twelve years ago)

i mean i know without thabo it's hard to plan a rotation but nevertheless

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:07 (twelve years ago)

d fish still gettin minutes

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:14 (twelve years ago)

oh magic only 140 characters, i know the feeling, couldnt really explain..

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:16 (twelve years ago)

Like half the Suns roster should be in the running for MIP

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:17 (twelve years ago)

d fish actually hacks/gambles/draw fouls with moderate success when someone sets a pick on him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3O7vTDquPs

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:17 (twelve years ago)

lakers have allowed 79 points in 25 minutes

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:18 (twelve years ago)

i was kinda ok with phoenix leaving the spot for memphis, but right now all i can think of is I WANNA SEE GORAN DRAGIC IN THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!

― moullet, Thursday, March 6, 2014 9:31 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm hoping Memphis makes it in over the Mavs. I like Dirk but dgaf about the rest of that roster.

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:20 (twelve years ago)

i'd prefer the mavs but don't particularly care

k3vin k., Friday, 7 March 2014 05:21 (twelve years ago)

it would be kind of deflating if the Suns barely missed the playoffs, but the point would be made

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:27 (twelve years ago)

is MDA getting fired?

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:27 (twelve years ago)

lol blake arguing this tech, come on dawg

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:28 (twelve years ago)

mem to the east is a no brainer. could stop indi, mia, even chicago if healthy.

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:29 (twelve years ago)

minnesota should be in the east, I'm really passionate about this.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:30 (twelve years ago)

Minnesota has by far the most travel miles and they're right next to milwaukee

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:30 (twelve years ago)

also there's a real badger-gopher rivalry that they're just abandoning

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:31 (twelve years ago)

this game is some post-MJ bulls shit btw

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:32 (twelve years ago)

lol xp

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:32 (twelve years ago)

102-56 omg

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:33 (twelve years ago)

feeling down on the suns chances to playoffs cause every game i see dragic looks more banged up. his intensity plus touches witout bledsoe are hard to maintain

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:33 (twelve years ago)

ahhahaha what is this game just tuned in

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:33 (twelve years ago)

what a circus

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:34 (twelve years ago)

hahaha kupchak.gif

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:34 (twelve years ago)

omg kupchak so good

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:34 (twelve years ago)

I hate the Clippers with the fury of a thousand dragons but this is just wonderful

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:35 (twelve years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiGf1XpCUAAWFBn.jpg

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:39 (twelve years ago)

cant. watch. anymore.

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:39 (twelve years ago)

Oh wait they are saying within a week for Bledsoe to return.

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:46 (twelve years ago)

have u guys seen this article on screeners in insider? will post itt

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:50 (twelve years ago)

NBA's best screen setters
These big guys do all the dirty work at a cut-rate price
Updated: March 5, 2014, 3:49 PM ET
By Amin Elhassan | ESPN Insider

A large swath of basketball goes unrecognized, uncharted and (essentially) undervalued by the metrics currently available. One aspect of basketball that fits this description is setting screens.

Ask any coach of the value of having players (particularly bigs) who are good screen setters, and they will sing praises. These guys do all the dirty work, setting screens to create space and force favorable matchups, which take a toll on defenders. Screens are the lifeblood of most NBA offenses, so it should come as no surprise that bigs who set good screens are coveted commodities. That said, because of the lack of ability to quantify screen quality, we've probably undervalued (in terms of salary paid) good screeners. Until now.

Using proprietary data from Vantage Sports, which tracks a variety of heretofore unmeasurable actions (like screening), we are now able to identify and attribute credit to individuals. The data were collected over a span of roughly two and a half seasons, giving us a large enough sample size to draw conclusions. For the purposes of this piece, let's focus on three specific aspects of screening (see explanation at the bottom of the story):

1. Screen frequency
2. Screen quality
3. Screen outcome

So who are some of the players who give us similar production at a lower cost? Here are 10 of the best screen setters in the league on a budget, arranged by average annual value (AAV) of their contracts.

Note: Tiago Splitter, Joakim Noah, Kendrick Perkins are among the very best at these screen-setting aspects. However, they are also handsomely compensated ($10 million, $11.1 million, and $8.7 million, respectively), so they were excluded from this list.

RFA = Restricted Free Agent; UFA = Unrestricted Free Agent

Omer Asik | Houston Rockets
AAV: $8.4 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 61.7
Solid Screen %: 72.9 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency %: 34.7

Perhaps the hottest name on the trading block to go untraded, Asik is a player whose role on offense has long been to crash the offensive glass and set solid screens. We've been able to assess with reasonable accuracy his value to the former, but Vantage puts a number on the latter: Asik is one of the the most frequent screen setters in the game, ranking fifth in frequency among players with at least 1,000 samples. He makes contact or reroutes the defender almost 73 percent of the time, making him an effective screener. Asik's 2014-15 balloon payment hurts, but in the right circumstance it might be a justifiable expense when taking into account his full impact on an offense.

Taj Gibson | Chicago Bulls
AAV: $8.3 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 47.9
Solid Screen %: 71.5 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 40.7

Asik's former Chicago teammates Joakim Noah and Gibson are probably the main reasons the Bulls declined to match his offer sheet in 2012; Gibson provides similar production on the offensive end with the added benefit of better finishing and a midrange jump shot. While not as frequent a screen setter, Gibson does an excellent job of creating space for his teammates, with almost 41 percent of his screens resulting in an open shot, shooting foul or pass to an open shot, placing him ninth among qualified players.

Marcin Gortat | Washington Wizards | 2014 UFA
AAV: $6.8 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 59.7
Solid Screen %: 74.7 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 35.7

As a member of the Phoenix Suns' front office, I helped acquire Gortat, and although we didn't have the Vantage data to support our "eye test," we felt strongly that he would make a good pick-and-roll complement with Steve Nash. He did not disappoint, and it's nice to see the numbers bear that out; Gortat is in the top 10 in screen frequency and top 20 in solid screen percentage, with nearly three-quarters of his screens making contact or rerouting the defender. Gortat is an impending free agent, and his screen-setting proficiency should factor into his desirability on the market.

Spencer Hawes | Cleveland Cavaliers | 2014 UFA
AAV: $6.6 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 56.6
Solid Screen %: 69.9 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 27.2

Hawes' ability to pick and pop is well-publicized, but we mostly hear about the pop and not the pick. But he sets almost 57 screens per 100 chances, good for 11th in the league. His relatively lower screen outcome efficiency illustrates the symbiosis of screen setting: Playing with teammates who know how to create space off the pick is almost as important as the pick itself.

Amir Johnson | Toronto Raptors
AAV: $6 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 63.4
Solid Screen %: 68.3 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency: 34.3

Former Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo has been much maligned for some of the contracts he's handed out to underachieving players, but his 2010 signing of Johnson was nothing short of a home run. Throughout his career, Johnson has made a living off doing the "little things" that don't show up in a box score, and screening is definitely one of them.

Robin Lopez | Portland Trail Blazers
AAV: $5.1 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 52.4
Solid Screen %: 78.8% | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency: 37.0%

Lopez, another player I had the privilege of working with in Phoenix, embodies the spirit of a blue-collar player who excels on white-collar teams. Teammates frequently praise him for the daylight he creates with screens, and that bears out in his solid screen percentage, which places him third on the leaderboard. His arrival in Portland has been a success not only because he is a defensive anchor but also because of his prowess as a screen setter.

Ekpe Udoh | Milwaukee Bucks | 2014 RFA
AAV: $3.6 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 57.4
Solid Screen %: 80.0 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 37.1

Still on his rookie scale contract, Udoh shares many similarities with Lopez: a good defensive center who isn't necessarily a tremendous defensive rebounder statistically, and an excellent screen setter on offense. Udoh ranks second in the league in solid screen percentage and is a hair better at screen outcome efficiency than Lopez -- two things that should factor into his free agency this summer. With the turmoil and inconsistent minutes in Milwaukee, there might be an opportunity for a discount on a player who would be more productive in a system that recognizes his talents.

Bismack Biyombo | Charlotte Bobcats
AAV: $3.2 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 55.1
Solid Screen %: 72.2 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 38.0

While they don't quite justify his lofty draft status, the Vantage data give us a couple of more reasons to value Biyombo's on-court contributions, specifically as a screener. His frequency and screen quality are both very good, but the outcome efficiency is what catches the eye; he ranks in the top 25 despite playing his entire career in a struggling offense. Like Udoh, Biyombo is on his rookie scale contract.This might make him more valuable to a team with more seasoned offensive players.

Kosta Koufos | Memphis Grizzlies
AAV: $3 million | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 45.3
Solid Screen %: 77.0 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 40.1

The Darrell Arthur-for-Koufos trade is the gift that keeps on giving for the Grizzlies. Not only has he been a capable defensive fill-in for Marc Gasol, but Koufos has managed to provide great value for the offense with his screening. At $3 million a year with just $500,000 guaranteed next season, Koufos is one of the best values in the league.

Jason Collins | Brooklyn Nets
AAV: $52k (10-Day) | Set Screens Per 100 Chances: 41.0
Solid Screen %: 82.0 | Set Screen Outcome Efficiency%: 39.9

His sample size is lower than the qualifying cutoff, but I include Collins on this list to illustrate his value to the Nets beyond any purported boost due to his newfound fame. For those who question how his paltry points and rebound averages warrant him a spot in the league or wonder about the value of his bruising screens, we can finally quantify it. Simply put, Collins is one of the best screen setters in the league in the context of impeding the progress of defenders and creating open looks for teammates, even if he's not a great offensive player in other areas.

Explanation of Vantage screen statistics

Screen frequency: Vantage tracks the number of set screens per chance for each player in the league, where chance is defined as uninterrupted possession of the ball. Therefore, an offensive rebound will trigger a new offensive chance. Normalizing based on chances is more accurate than normalizing based on other units (possessions, minutes, etc.) because it accounts for the players' opportunities and isolates rebounding (for good or bad). Set Screens Per 100 Chances gives us an idea of how many screens a player is involved in during his time on the court. For example, Tiago Splitter of the Spurs leads the NBA with 68 set screens per 100 chances.

Screen quality: Vantage's Solid Screen % measures the percentage of set screens where player makes contact or reroutes the defender, excluding slip screens. Since the purpose of the screen is to deter the defender, this gives us an idea of the ratio of "good screens" a screen setter is setting (say that three times fast). Joakim Noah of the Bulls is one of the very best at this, with 77 percent of his screens being solid.

Screen outcome: The object of a screen, at its base level, is to create an open shot (whether by the man coming off the screen or an open teammate via pass) or a shooting foul. Of course, not every open shot is converted to a basket, but that shouldn't make the screen any less favorable. The Set Screen Outcome Efficiency gives us the percentage of set screens that result in a (a) teammate score, (b) teammate open shot (missed), (c) teammate shooting foul, (d) teammate passes to assist or missed open shot. Kendrick Perkins is among the league leaders in this metric, with a hair under 45 percent of his set screens leading to scoring opportunities.

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 05:52 (twelve years ago)

thanks for posting

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:11 (twelve years ago)

lol serge with the finger wag on a foul? bad form bro, bad form. That's like bros that yell "and one" even tho they didn't make the shot.

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:12 (twelve years ago)

man i turned that hideous game off when the clips led by like 18, i guess the lakers are even worse garbage than i thought

Clay, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:17 (twelve years ago)

yes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z33vxEjcokU

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 06:34 (twelve years ago)

recently i developed the habit of checking the box score in popcornmachine and occasionally they point out crucials swings of a game. suns vs okc tonight is a good example: http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20140306&game=OKCPHO

moullet, Friday, 7 March 2014 09:30 (twelve years ago)

wow i've never seen that thing, really cool

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 March 2014 13:13 (twelve years ago)

Watched the condensed version of OKC-phx on league pass (pro tip!!) and omg

Obv he had the corpse of d fish on him but green just throwing in off balance threes was ridiculous

I really want phx in the playoffs! Could be one if the best 1 vs 8 series ever

z-time champion (agent hibachi), Friday, 7 March 2014 13:37 (twelve years ago)

lol i forgot goran dragic has a brother named zoran dragic

― Clay, Thursday, March 6, 2014 11:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

P sure Matt A already knew this but I will take credit for reading Goran's wiki and bringing u this important fact

Also I love that it now surfaces in the thread every ten days or so

z-time champion (agent hibachi), Friday, 7 March 2014 13:38 (twelve years ago)

Good link moullet v cool

z-time champion (agent hibachi), Friday, 7 March 2014 13:40 (twelve years ago)

Goran and Zoran Dragic, fighting Superman on an asteroid near you

Nhex, Friday, 7 March 2014 14:26 (twelve years ago)

Lakers worst loss in franchise history last night haaaaaaa

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 14:58 (twelve years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/WtROOmp.jpg

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 March 2014 15:03 (twelve years ago)

;)

k3vin k., Friday, 7 March 2014 15:12 (twelve years ago)

Inside the NBA had a great little segment of intercutting lob city jams with that gif and the other one where he's just sitting there looking pissed.

Spottie, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:15 (twelve years ago)

granted i had smoked pot but i thought the heat-spurs game was super intense last night for a regular season game, it was really fun to watch

le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 7 March 2014 15:34 (twelve years ago)

lol

k3vin k., Friday, 7 March 2014 15:36 (twelve years ago)


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