itt fans of non-playoff teams chatter about the off season (2013)

none because in the perfection of nba logic once you get a ring youre no longer immature see Wallace Rasheed et al

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:07 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

sure but sheed was also 10 years into his career at that point

and still yelling ball dont lie and notably AFLAC

not that bynum doesn't already have rings but you know

i have no problems with assholes winning titles and in fact think you need a lil bit of that edge (ahem kobe, but also like s-jax on spurs etc) to get there but bynums assholery is actively interfering with his ability to be on the court c.f freaking bowling injuries

― joe smith avatar (agent hibachi), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:06 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bowling we talking abt bowling

haha

Promise to forever gtfo w/ culture stuff as soon as there's a team lead to EC/WC finals by a bozo. Like, every single player/coach/gm says it's important, there's a shitton of anecdotal evidence that it's important, and this is a reminder that irl NBA ≠ your NBA 2K13 roster.

Again people forget that Bynum is technically a vet now and is still a total clown. Teams win w/ clowns on their roster, but not with clowns at their #1 guys (which Bynum would be if he were max'd out).

Guys like Sheed were also lucky to be on teams where he wasn't the #1 guy-- those Detroit teams were helmed by dudes like Billups and Ben Wallace and Rip and Tayshawn. Great teams can absorb clowns but can't be lead by them.

i don't even know who signs bynum anyway. the new philly braintrust doesn't have an obligation to make it work.

compupost otm

But I certainly won't deny that Bynum can be a starting center for a championship team. It's just that a team that wants a fleshed-out roster and expects to go deep in the playoffs can't afford to pay Bynum max money is all.

Promise to forever gtfo w/ culture stuff as soon as there's a team lead to EC/WC finals by a bozo.

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

j-kidd's nets? though apparently every teammate ever loved the dude

i recant that, off-season jerks are a whole diff thing

BOWLING

i think bynum makes a lot of sense for the cavs but i think they're gonna stupidly hold out for lebron

Damn Baron Davis / Walton / Gibson all off the books now for Cavs, too, and suddenly in the weird position of having a ton of sane contracts.

this is fascinating http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-amount-of-cap-room-teams-will.html

as soon as bynum wins a ring he becomes not a bozo, you all are trapped in a bullshit media tautology

Like, every single player/coach/gm says it's important, there's a shitton of anecdotal evidence that it's important, and this is a reminder that irl NBA ≠ your NBA 2K13 roster.

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:15 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

COOL ANECDATA BRO

but anyway allow me to pluck one from recent memory DWIGHT HOWARD

' as soon as there's a team lead to EC/WC finals by a bozo.'

i mean come on do you even follow basketball

dwight is def a compelling counter example

but dwight is a transcendent talent, bynum is merely a very good nba player

so many caveats hold on while i open a spreadsheet to catalog them all

eh. i just don't know if on-balance bynum is "worth it"

guys this is all moot bc we all know bynum is gonna play like 16 games over five seasons and retire so basically its just a question of which gm is dumb enough to hamstring his cap room for two years followed by a big buyout payment

hes not worth it because his body cant withstand an nba season, if he could stay healthy there isnt a team in the league that wouldnt max him out

That's a good counterexample, but as asshatty as Dwight is, to even put him in Bynum's class is kind of a joke. Not to mention Bynum has never averaged 21/14/3 while playing a whole season and being an all-world defensive force.

Like, would love to be proved wrong and hear all sorts of great things about Bynum making the rest of his team work harder / push the rest of his team to be better, but this is totally antithetical to his career MO.

so youre saying its okay to be a bozo if youre as good as dwight

more like dwight was good enough to get away with it. tho it's catching up with him now.

But tbh it seems totally strange to me that you think leadership doesn't matter! Is it just because it's a truism? The fact that it isn't readily quantifiable?

lol at yr argument going from culture uber alles to leadership matter

more like dwight was good enough to get away with it. tho it's catching up with him now.

― J0rdan S., Saturday, June 8, 2013 12:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

almost like he was really good at basketball and now hes not as good

xps what J0rdan said, basically, and I don't think Bynum will ever, ever be good enough to dominate a season and have margin of error to dog it a bit. But again, that Dwight/Magic team is totally a cogent counterexample.

Huh? Culture uber alles & leadership matter are basically the same thing.

defining something as 'over all' and 'mattering' are totally not the same thing, one is a weaker assertion than the other, and nor are culture and leadership the same

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But tbh it seems totally strange to me that you think leadership doesn't matter! Is it just because it's a truism? The fact that it isn't readily quantifiable?

― IM ME, I DO ME, AND I CHILL (CompuPost), Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:00 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

forget quantifiable first try even defining it, as it exists in basketball its mostly a story the media likes to tell, and like of course gm's like to pat themselves on the back for creating culture, if a players character flaws manifest in them being bad at basketball then fine, but the problem here is andrew bynum is really good at basketball

paul pierce started his career as a promising young player, then when the celtics sucked he was a disgruntled bum, then they won a title and he matured and proved himself, all these track perfectly of course to changes in the quality of his teammates, its stupid the nba is not a morality tale, its a skill game

so many players have gotten the same media treatment, i mean can lebron win it it all is he a WINNER omg, please

great post http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-amount-of-cap-room-teams-will.html

Paul Flannery ‏@Pflanns 3m
Pop on LeBron: Your opinions mean nothing to him and they should mean nothing to him.

lol

lets just accept that bynum is the next oden/roy and let him quietly go out to the shed and live the rest of his life out in peace

also, watch this: bynum is the basketball gronkowski BOOM

Hahaha

uncool

ouch

they prob should party together though

great post http://www.shamsports.com/2013/06/the-amount-of-cap-room-teams-will.html

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 1:14 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

this is good shit, remarkable how clean the cav's books are

i dont rly care abt culture argument but one reason i'd advocate for #traderondo is that i don't think he'll be very pleasant on a bad team.

bowling we talking abt bowling

― lag∞n, Saturday, June 8, 2013 9:14 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo this is the 2013-14 regular season thread title

ILH way underrating bynum and overrating rondo. i'd love for the nuggs to get bynum and would not want to see them get rondo

lagoon otm itt

*hi5*

Yeah, maybe New Orleans could sign Bynum to pair w/ similarly underrated Eric Gordon. Maybe they could get a decent deal on underrated Greg Oden for Bynum's backup, and maybe claim underrated Brandon Roy off waivers.