the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

that's just, like, your opinion, man

I'm with Dwight on this one, Kobe needs to shut up

"Dirk >>>> Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LeBron"

now we're talkin

you know who's better than lebron, kobe, because he has 5 titles

― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:38 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my man!

― ω (carne asada), Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:41 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i lol'd

pretty sure LeBron would have won some titles in Cleveland if instead of Mo Williams he had Scottie Pippen

and MJ wouldn't have failed against Pistons if he had better cast. but that's just hearsay cause it's not like he swept them in the ECF when they were back to back defending champs or anything.
also, if we're giving credit to Bron for dragging a team to the Finals, how are we carving a millstone out of MJ dragging teams to conf finals

i obviously put less weight into those things than other ppl do

what are you putting weight on here again? "individual play"? ts%/ppg +apg/tov? don't hold out on this kevula you've devised.

LeBron has never had a supporting cast as good as any of the teams Jordan won titles with except perhaps 98 when Pippen was nursing the bad back

he has 2 perennial all stars (one of whom one a ring w/o him, something Pippen never did) and the all time best 3pt shooter now

dont forget Shane Battier

he already said "all time best 3pt shooter"

shane battier is basically metta world peace

betta world peace

i get accused of double standards but jordan + pippen + grant/rodman= great supporting cast whereas LeBron + Wade + Bosh=too top heavy!

You understand that "supporting cast" /= the other all-stars on the team, right? You're talking Top Three Dudes, the rest of us are referring to the other nine people in the rotation. Which is why NBA history is littered w/ a buttload of teams w/ a few all-stars and a bunch of scrubs who never sniffed a ring.

Or maybe you're so stats-centric that everyone else just kinda blurs together for you since their advanced stats don't look impressive? idk, something's not getting through though.

i don't think the "supporting cast" argument for lebron is a good one because the heat knew it was going to be that way going in

so your argument is that John Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, BJ Armstrong (only good dude here really), Scott Williams, Stacey King, Will Perdue, Craig Hodges, Cliff Levingston, Steve Kerr just so far outclass LBJ's supporting casts?? Really?

ESPN sources say Bulls & Raptors have had exploratory talks on potential trade featuring Carlos Boozer & Andrea Bargnani

I mean I just assumed you meant top 3 since rest of Bulls rotation was nothing anyone would point to as anything above average.

wow that's interesting... colangelo is really trying to sabotage that franchise isn't he

yesss please

Or maybe you're so stats-centric

thanks for the lol

so your argument is that John Paxson, Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, BJ Armstrong (only good dude here really), Scott Williams, Stacey King, Will Perdue, Craig Hodges, Cliff Levingston, Steve Kerr just so far outclass LBJ's supporting casts?? Really?

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:55 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RIP Ron Harper and Toni Kukoc

oh yeah. they were so awesome I totally forgot about them. kidding, they were great role players. just think MJ cast vs LeBron cast is barking up the wrong tree. had a case before Big 3, but not since.

PG 0 Brown, Randy 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m) 190 lb (86 kg) New Mexico State
SG 30 Buechler, Jud 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 220 lb (100 kg) Arizona
PF 35 Caffey, Jason 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) 255 lb (116 kg) Alabama
C 53 Edwards, James 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m) 225 lb (102 kg) Washington
PF 54 Haley, Jack 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m) 240 lb (109 kg) UCLA
SG 9 Harper, Ron 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 185 lb (84 kg) Miami (OH)
SG 23 Jordan, Michael (C) 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 215 lb (98 kg) North Carolina
PG 25 Kerr, Steve 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) 175 lb (79 kg) Arizona
SF 7 Kukoc, Toni 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 220 lb (100 kg) Croatia
C 13 Longley, Luc 7 ft 2 in (2.18 m) 265 lb (120 kg) New Mexico
SF 33 Pippen, Scottie (C) 6 ft 8 in (2.03 m) 218 lb (99 kg) Central Arkansas
PF 91 Rodman, Dennis 6 ft 6 in (1.98 m) 220 lb (100 kg) SE Oklahoma State
C 22 Salley, John 6 ft 11 in (2.11 m) 230 lb (104 kg) Georgia Tech
PF 8 Simpkins, Dickey 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m) 248 lb (112 kg) Providence
C 34 Wennington, Bill 7 ft 0 in (2.13 m) 245 lb (111 kg) St. John's

what a cast! how could anyone NOT win 72 games when blessed with that

bill wennington was basically gene siskel on stilts, man what a dude he was.

excellent FT shooter

well they won 50+ games with that roster without Jordan

or Rodman

all smoke and mirrors I guess

Yeah, that supporting cast is ridiculously better than anything LeBron has ever had. Again, it's similar to aaaaaaaallll those other championship teams-- all of these supporting casts, that Bulls cast included -- in that they're loaded w/ role players who do a shitton of dirty work and do it well. W/o a second thought I'd take those guys over any bottom-10 casts that LeBron has ever played with.

Or -- not to get too challopy -- I'm not totally sure that Jordon + Wade + Bosh + everyone else on that Heat team wins a ring last year. I mean, last year's Heat team, the best team LeBron has probably ever played for, almost didn't make it to the finals! It took otherworldly games from both Lebron and Wade to get there.

Kinda think that most fans can't see past the best three/four players and think that everyone else is totally interchangeable, which, if you care to look at championship-winning teams for the past 30-40 years, just isn't true. Like, it's pretty easy to be "lol king cartwright purdue kerr paxson good luck getting that ring," but that's what separates good teams from great teams.

Granny u should look into the '12-'13 LA Lakers, they've got a ton of future HoFs on their team with a really shitty bottom 10, heard they're doing really well so far this season.

what happened here? *sees granny dainger* oh *skips everything*

Compu you should look at 90s Bulls teams, they've got a ton...oh wait I just showed you a roster

i feel like every single one of the players the bulls had were assessed incredibly well by the coaching staff and utilized amazingly well, those bulls teams at full strength (w/jordan, non-creaky version) were unstoppable. i think MJ was better than LBJ, but i don't buy into the rep LBJ has as the nba's alex rodriguez. he also has a better sense of humor than MJ, who had this pretty amazing casual subtle trolly arrogance but less joy.

'91 MJ w/2 players as good as Bosh and Wade plus weeblywobblies beat those Mavs, sorry. 2012 LeBron would!

can't we just get 2K to simulate all this rather than have meaningless arguments about completely different players in completely different eras.

ps lol at anyone who uses the innovation argument *against* lebron

Yeah, that supporting cast is ridiculously better than anything LeBron has ever had

stop it

that's the 2nd lol against MJ innovating more than lebron and still no argument for it

go watch a game pre MJ then post MJ, tell me if that's different from pre/post LeBron. he was a quantum leap forward. lebron is a physical freak, and invented a new type of travel that doesn't get called.

it's not "more than" so much as it's "dude is a totally unique player, nobody has ever quite played like him before, what are you talking about"

Compu you should look at 90s Bulls teams, they've got a ton...oh wait I just showed you a roster
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:31 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idgi ... I actually was looking at rosters a lot today when all this silliness began. Are you hinting that they all sucked? Huge shocker: they're all incredibly solid teams built around probably the greatest player of all time. Now, if you want to look at some of those '80s teams, when -- another shocker!-- Jordan wasn't winning rings, then you'll find some pretty shitty teams.

i feel like every single one of the players the bulls had were assessed incredibly well by the coaching staff and utilized amazingly well, those bulls teams at full strength (w/jordan, non-creaky version) were unstoppable. i think MJ was better than LBJ, but i don't buy into the rep LBJ has as the nba's alex rodriguez.

otm

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glad nobody has gotten around to comparing mike brown to phil jackson yet

he didn't change how the game is played as much as MJ did. nearly every player, pros, college, ymca, kid on nerf hoop, had their game altered by MJ style of play. (lebron hard to emulate cause his signature move is being a 6'8" 250lb guy)

it's only in hindsight they're "incredibly solid teams", just like lebron's will magically become incredibly solid now that he's not pissing himself.

dayo i kinda feel like you don't like or value me waaaah go away you herb

that's the 2nd lol against MJ innovating more than lebron and still no argument for it

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, February 7, 2013 6:35 PM (17 minutes ago)

yeah lebron would be more awe-inspiring if the league weren't filled with 260 lb point-centers who guard 4 or 5 positions at an all-NBA level, it's true

what granny means w/ innovation is more like...influence. i care more about panache and originality (and both mj and bron had plenty)

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