the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

i didn't realize that michael jordan never lost anything ever, i guess i should just back away from this argument because clearly the guy that thinks lebron's first finals was against the mavs is gonna school me here

Also Granny you're leaving out that fact that LeBron quit on his team so hard that the dude HAD A TRIPLE DOUBLE IN THE NEXT CAVS/CELTICS GAME so obviously he'd quit on his team by that point.

Bulls weren't top heavy???
it wasn't one bad 4th quarter, how quickly people seem to have forgotten. there were several 4th quarters. "all other evidence"...see there's no other need to dismiss certain Finals evidence and just focus on the "other evidence" w/MJ. totally willing to disqualify him at the moment (like i said, he's got time to make up for it, but it'll have to be something incredible...4 or 5 more Finals like last year at least) for these bad performances, because there's one player who had a better track record.

omg a trip dub no way he couldn't have possibly quit on his team let's just ignore what we all saw w/our own eyes take place in the last couple mins cause hey HAD A TRIPLE DOUBLE

well it's very convenient for danny to frame all of MJ's failures in one way and all of lebron's in another when in reality they both just failed (until they didn't), but it makes for disingenuous arguing

Granny serious question-- r u a Dan Gilbert sock?

e guy that thinks lebron's first finals was against the mavs is gonna school me here

yes, I think that. That it what I think. Congrats to you for knowing better. Than what I think. Cause I think that was his 1st Finals.

well that's what you said

right Jord, I'm disingenous. but hey let's ignore these aspects of LeBron's career and just focus on the good things, cumbayah.

because it's convenient for your argument to pretend that lebron didn't make a finals in his fourth season

maybe I misspoke and meant 1st w/legit team. could be that. but hey let's just think I have no idea LeBron was in Finals. that's really obscure insider hoops info.

no it's not, it doesn't matter

my entire argument refuted by fact that lebron lost 2 Finals, you got me

so somehow lebron dragging a non-legit team to the finals at age-22 isn't pertinent to this argument at all

my entire argument refuted by fact that lebron lost 2 Finals, you got me

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:58 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

well don't forget that he isn't "innovative"

i don't think he is as much as MJ was. if you disagree, well you're just wrong. c'est la vie.

so somehow lebron dragging a non-legit team to the finals at age-22 isn't pertinent to this argument at all

it's a great accomplishment. but if we're ignoring his loss to the mavs at age 27 w/a legit team, i'm ignoring this k?

i'm not ignoring it, but in the end it's going to be a footnote in lebron's career either way.

either lebron is going to win enough titles from now on out to put him in the conversation with michael OR he's not going to, and those future failures will loom much larger than whatever happened with the mavs

and i'm fine with that, personally

footnotes matter now in the discussion. he can make them not matter.

well sure, but if we accept the premise that the footnotes only matter now because lebron's career is half over, then we probably shouldn't be comparing him to someone who stopped played a decade ago

so if he wins 6 total, that Mavs loss won't matter? 7? what if they titles are spread out (MJ won 6 straight when he played full season), and the last 1 or 2 he's not the best player on his team (MJ 6 Finals MVPs)?

but what fun is that

i don't know! there are a lot of hypotheticals that we could argue about

personally i think if lebron equals MJ in championships (even if he loses another finals) then he has a case for best player ever based on what his overall statistical body of work will be

it will be a fascinating argument either way. lebron also has a bit of an advantage having never played college.

i think in the end, jordan will always be the best. lebron will have the best argument against him tho.

MJ didn't have any spills, threw in a sweet double sowcow to triple axel combo. LeBron biffed on his 1st jump, so he'll have to do that quad Lyndy to get gold.

its ugly to hate dirk ppl

Lebron still only has one title. He has a long way to go, you know? He's got a lot of work to do before he gets into the Tim Duncan conversation, let alone Jordan.

Obviously his talent suggests that he might get there, but we'll see.

bron has to enroll in college once he retires from the nba & win @ that level imo

smh at the chris palmers itt, titles schmitles

you know who's better than lebron, kobe, because he has 5 titles

my man!

if titles mattered this much then it would be Bill Russell hands down but it's not

i mean i get it, when two players are as close as bron and michael are you have to start breaking it down other ways, and that means arbitrary "clutch" stuff and situational statistics. i obviously put less weight into those things than other ppl do

pretty sure LeBron would have won some titles in Cleveland if instead of Mo Williams he had Scottie Pippen

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8926084/dwight-howard-los-angeles-lakers-tired-people-questioning-shoulder-injury

Kobe Bryant publicly challenged Howard to return, telling ESPNBoston.com's Jackie MacMullan on Wednesday, "We don't have time for [Howard's shoulder] to heal. ... We need some urgency."

Howard dismissed Bryant's stance.

"That's his opinion, that's it," Howard said. "He's not a doctor, I'm not a doctor. That's his opinion."

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2010/11/01/p233/101101_talkmcgthillus_p233.jpg

Pictured: Bron making weewee in his pants circa '10 playoffs

that's just, like, your opinion, man

I'm with Dwight on this one, Kobe needs to shut up

"Dirk >>>> Jordan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LeBron"

now we're talkin

you know who's better than lebron, kobe, because he has 5 titles

― manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:38 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my man!

― ω (carne asada), Thursday, February 7, 2013 1:41 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i lol'd

pretty sure LeBron would have won some titles in Cleveland if instead of Mo Williams he had Scottie Pippen

and MJ wouldn't have failed against Pistons if he had better cast. but that's just hearsay cause it's not like he swept them in the ECF when they were back to back defending champs or anything.
also, if we're giving credit to Bron for dragging a team to the Finals, how are we carving a millstone out of MJ dragging teams to conf finals

i obviously put less weight into those things than other ppl do

what are you putting weight on here again? "individual play"? ts%/ppg +apg/tov? don't hold out on this kevula you've devised.

LeBron has never had a supporting cast as good as any of the teams Jordan won titles with except perhaps 98 when Pippen was nursing the bad back

he has 2 perennial all stars (one of whom one a ring w/o him, something Pippen never did) and the all time best 3pt shooter now

dont forget Shane Battier

he already said "all time best 3pt shooter"