the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

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queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 16:55 (thirteen years ago)

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moullet, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:25 (thirteen years ago)

Mario Chalmers on ranking among PGs: “I’d say top 10. I’m not in the lower part (of top 10), I’m in the middle part." bit.ly/YC3R8n

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:41 (thirteen years ago)

lol

an eagle named "small government" (call all destroyer), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:42 (thirteen years ago)

man love jeff van gundy :)

baby beluga (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 17:46 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49142/courtvision-the-best-shooters-so-far

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:01 (thirteen years ago)

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d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:04 (thirteen years ago)

damn, heat.

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:09 (thirteen years ago)

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乒乓, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:35 (thirteen years ago)

anyone w insider access? http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8894024/nba-ranking-league-top-10-perimeter-defenders

moullet, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:29 (thirteen years ago)

One of the hardest things to measure in basketball is individual perimeter defense. Measuring interior defense is no picnic either, but in general, high shot-block and defensive rebound rates correlate to good overall team efficiency when it comes to preventing points. Teams with good defensive big men tend to be good overall on defense, and teams that lack a defensive anchor tend to give up a lot of points -- not always, but most of the time.

It's not nearly as cut and dry when it comes to the point guards and wing players around the league. Coaching philosophies play a large part in perimeter defense, as does the quality of a team's big men. If you have Dwight Howard playing behind you, you should be able to be more aggressive out on the floor and cut down on open looks. That's theoretical, as this season's Los Angeles Lakers have managed to play bad defense even with Howard manning the middle.

In an effort to rank the best perimeter defenders in the league, I've created a system that incorporates results from some of these various systems.

From Synergy Sports Technology, I generated reports in overall points per play allowed as well as for isolation plays defended and points allowed on those isos. That accounts for three of the six factors. From 82games.com, I used team reports on PER allowed by position for factor No. 4. For No. 5, I used Jeremias Engelmann's regularized adjusted plus-minus (RAPM). And from my system, I added together percentages in blocks and steals, which is often correlated to good individual defense.

I also used lineup analysis from my system to identify which spots players have occupied this season. A player must have logged at least 400 minutes this season and played one of the three perimeter spots at least 30 percent of the time. That's a little tricky because of combo forwards like Josh Smith and LeBron James, but I ultimately attempted to be more inclusive than not. There are 172 players who qualified for the rankings.

The isolation data is particularly telling for a couple of reasons. First, when you think of the term "stopper," you have an image of a guy facing up with someone like Carmelo Anthony on the wing and digging in while Melo jab steps and head fakes before settling for a fadeaway jumper that clangs off the back of the rim. This is the stopper's job, and the essence of individual defense.

More than that, you can tell a lot by how often a player is isolated on defense. If a guy can't play defense, teams will find a way to go at him. You have to be careful, because sometimes teams are very good at hiding poor defenders, who aren't left to fend for themselves often. The final formula is a weighted average of the rankings in the six factors. The plus-minus data is weighted the most heavily, followed by the Synergy data and steal-plus-block percentage.

Here are this season's top 10 perimeter defenders:

1. Josh Smith | Average rank: 17.94
Smith is certainly athletic enough to guard any position on the floor, though it's questionable whether he is a true perimeter stopper because of the amount of time he spends at power forward and guarding the rim. According to my system, he has played 33 percent of his minutes at small forward this season. He ranks sixth on a per-possession basis against isolations and second in steal-plus-block percentage. Smith is just a really good defensive player, which hasn't always been the case during his career.

2. Andre Iguodala | 21.31
This ranking is true to Iguodala's reputation, as he is a big part of Denver's improved perimeter defense. Iguodala always draws the opponent's top perimeter scorer in crunch time, so he gets isolated fairly frequently. He ranks seventh in points per play allowed against isos, and fourth overall, so it's never a winning strategy to go at Iggy. He leads the league in RAPM.

3. Mike Conley | 22.88
The Grizzlies are one of the top defensive teams in the league, and it starts with Conley's ability to delay opposing point guards from getting into their half-court sets and his thievery in the passing lanes. Playing alongside Tony Allen, who also made the top 10, doesn't hurt. Teams haven't been shy about isolating Conley, but he has held up well in those situations.

4. Marquis Daniels | 26.44
Daniels has never rated very high by advanced metrics, but this shows why he keeps finding work in the NBA. He is first in points per isolation allowed in our group, first overall in points per play allowed and 19th in RAPM.

5. Tony Allen | 31.00
Allen earned first team All-Defensive honors last season, so his defensive reputation is considerable. These rankings show just how good the Memphis backcourt is on the defensive end. Allen is third in RAPM. His rating is actually dragged down by his No. 99 ranking in what I've termed "defensive isolation usage." Teams have isolated Allen on an average of 12.1 out of every 100 possessions he's been on the court. That simply speaks to the quality of defensive assignments Allen draws from Lionel Hollins.

6. Dwyane Wade | 34.50
Wade doesn't have a great reputation for individual defense, and true enough, he ranks just 50th in points per play against isolations. He is sixth overall in PPP and may benefit from always drawing the least crucial defensive assignment when he plays alongside LeBron James and Mario Chalmers. That allows Wade to roam free to collect steals and blocks and save his energy for the offensive end.

7. Luc Mbah a Moute | 34.69
The top perimeter defense belongs to the Bucks, so it's fitting that they land a pair of defenders in the top 10. Mbah a Moute is an old school defensive specialist in the mold of Bruce Bowen. Like Smith, he plays a fair amount of time at the 4, and some of his numbers have been compiled in the paint. However, he has played more than half his minutes at the 3 and is one of the few players in the league who can legitimately guard four, maybe even five, positions.

8. Vince Carter | 35.44
This is easily the most surprising name on the list. Carter didn't have a good defensive reputation when he was at his athletic peak, and he turned 36 a few days ago. He doesn't have a standout category but ranks in the top 40 in each of the five individual factors. The Mavericks haven't been great against perimeter players in general, ranking 25th in opponent PER. Carter, for what it's worth, has improved his teams' defense by 2.1 points per 100 possessions over the course of his long career. This season, the Mavericks are three points better on defense when Carter is on the floor.

9. LeBron James | 37.00
It's no surprise that James shows up in any rankings, but when you consider that he has had to defend the paint more than ever before, this rating is really impressive. You would figure that teams playing big would be able to exploit him on the block. James is rarely exploited on the floor no matter what he's trying to do.

10. Andrei Kirilenko | 39.00
It has to warm your heart when players with great defensive reputations show up in your objective system for rating defense. Kirilenko has long been one of the league's top help defenders, with combined rates of steals and blocks that few perimeter players have ever compiled.

Finally, because I know you're wondering: Ranking 172nd, and last, is Miami's Mike Miller, just behind Sacramento's Jimmer Fredette and the Lakers' Chris Duhon.

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:31 (thirteen years ago)

<3

moullet, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:53 (thirteen years ago)

Thanks J0rdan.

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:55 (thirteen years ago)

Jimmer!

Aimless, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:11 (thirteen years ago)

haha vince carter?!

am0n, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:15 (thirteen years ago)

what year is this

am0n, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:15 (thirteen years ago)

yeah vince is a good defender, he's got good size for a wing and i guess is trying now

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 20:26 (thirteen years ago)

Ha yay I was hoping that perimeter D thing would pop up here :) Damn that's some fun number-crunching.

BTW if anyone wants to throw out some good NBA podcasts, would love to hear. Really looking for podcasts that aren't built around slaphappy chucklehead style, but more toward stats/strategy-heavy stuff.

Just tried Basketball Jones for the first time in a while and realized why I couldn't listen to it in the first place-- one of the dudes sounds like this pud from In the Loops:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU9MqT9ZZYA

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:06 (thirteen years ago)

* Loop.

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:07 (thirteen years ago)

12 and 11 for drummond in 15 minutes #freedrummond

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 02:06 (thirteen years ago)

i don't think drummond took 10 shots in a game once last year

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 02:35 (thirteen years ago)

Haralabos Voulgaris ‏@haralabob
Been saying this for 2 years. RT @marcel_mutoni: Who dresses Monty Williams, and why aren't they behind bars?

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:22 (thirteen years ago)

Ethan Strauss @SherwoodStrauss
There's a lot I like about Austin Rivers. He left school early and made a quick buck before scouts caught on. Smart.

Clay, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:48 (thirteen years ago)

lol

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:50 (thirteen years ago)

haha

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 04:52 (thirteen years ago)

lol @ kobe turning into jason kidd this week btw

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:05 (thirteen years ago)

portland was down 21 to dallas in the third, are down 3 with 52 seconds to go. their season in a nutshell.

Clay, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:23 (thirteen years ago)

dagger

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:27 (thirteen years ago)

oh, god

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:28 (thirteen years ago)

haha this goddamn team is so silly

Clay, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:29 (thirteen years ago)

first 3 of the season!

Clay, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:29 (thirteen years ago)

lol @ jj getting subbed at offense

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:33 (thirteen years ago)

nnoooooooo shit wow

Clay, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:33 (thirteen years ago)

lamonster

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:34 (thirteen years ago)

:00.2 Portland Trail Blazers POR LaMarcus Aldridge makes a 19-foot turnaround jumper along the left baseline. Assist: Wesley Matthews

nicolas, dirk, lamarcus, oj mayo (lol), lamarcus

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:35 (thirteen years ago)

iirc that's his second career game-winner, the other was in dallas.

Clay, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:35 (thirteen years ago)

holy shit that 2nd half

bear, bear, bear, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:37 (thirteen years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BB1Ug_5CAAACkPW.jpg:large

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:38 (thirteen years ago)

oh my fucking god the hornets seriously have austin rivers guarding kobe one-on-one

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:46 (thirteen years ago)

jesus christ what the fuck is monty williams deal

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:47 (thirteen years ago)

lakers up 3 with the ball, kobe backs down austin rivers, double team is forced to come, kobe dishes to earl clark who swings to nash for a completely uncontested 3

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:49 (thirteen years ago)

pau out last few mins. seriously

moullet, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 05:52 (thirteen years ago)

Monty Williams must be working under the idea that austin needs such experience to develop his nba game and his future development is more important than trying to win games today. I am not sure whose idea this is, but he seems to be working under that idea. My prediction was that Austin would be sent down to d-league right about now, so he could develop his game in a more appropriate setting.

Aimless, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 06:10 (thirteen years ago)

He'll never come back though.

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 06:56 (thirteen years ago)

Lakers were kinda fun to watch tonight.

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 06:57 (thirteen years ago)

lakers are kind of a stealth fun team to watch, both for the schadenfreude and they're actually near the top in the league in pace. nothing like the recent past

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 12:49 (thirteen years ago)

14-8-11 for kobe iguodala, lmao this fin guy

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 12:51 (thirteen years ago)

Stealth fun? Fun fun! <3 <3 <3 pg Kobebean. Would love to read a long-formish piece about the last few weeks in Lakerland that isn't some dumb speculative opinion piece. D'Antoni makes it sound like he finally had some revelation that his system wasn't fitting the team; but, I feel like there was some silent mutiny and all the vets just decided to do what they thought worked.

Also think Kobe leads all athletes in quoted expletives. "I'm like Neo out this m----- f-----."

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 13:33 (thirteen years ago)

And now that Greivis Vasquez is getting pt, Davis/Lopez/Gordon/Vasquez/Anderson will be a really fun team to watch next year. Shame they whiffed on Rivers.

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 13:44 (thirteen years ago)

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ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Wednesday, 30 January 2013 13:47 (thirteen years ago)


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