the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

because of how they have only played 4 seasons

when t-mac was 23 a lot of people probably said that it looks like he'd be in the hall of fame. then the rest of his career happened.

yes, it totally looked like he was going to be a hall of famer!

it didn't look "all but certain"

saying that a guy who averages 32-7-6-2 at age 23 looks like a hall of famer is reasonable and it was very surprising that he fell apart so quickly.

and he didn't even have 8 sprained ankles and surgery by then. Unlike someone else.

tbf McGrady is probably borderline hall of fame

he'll probably get in when he's 60 or something

actually afaik every scoring champion has made it in and he has two of them, so I imagine he makes it, so great example Jord

Bernard King isn't in and he won the scoring title once, should get in eventually

ok guys

i think my point here has been made

http://cjzero.com/gifs/PierceStruggleFace.gif

pp thinking about that TO

basketball reference puts T-Mac's hall of fame probability at 58%, somehow Bernard King is at 38%

king had a way better career than McGrady iirc

yeah idgi

actually they're very comparable except king won in the first round at least once.

anyway you heard it here first: Curry has a 58% chance of being the GOAT 3pt shooter

Fair

It's not like what's being suggested is preposterous.

someones gonna be the greatest three point shooter of all time because players keep getting better at shooting it and keep taking more

whoever it is, they won't look like it until they're at least 37 years old

no rondo trip dub mention, is everyone ok??

haha kobe faced http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-compete-efficiency-stats-sly-145018924--nba.html

lol ILH does not do "ceiling is" / "looks like" / "might be" very well.

I mean, if you're gonna propose "Which newish guy has a chance to be the greatest 3pt shooter of all time?" who would you put in front of Curry? Esp. considering that this is his first full season as Warriors' go-to guy, with more inside/outside 3pt attempts coming his way now that Monta Ellis isn't taking all the shots there. And, w/ Ellis there hogging the shots, Curry's 3pt #s through three seasons have been amazing.

Think "looks like" here = "has the best chance at becoming; yes I understand that extrapolating from 3+ seasons doesn't take into account horrible future events but wtf people I never said I was Nostradamus / Edgar Cayce / w/e."

btw I support Matt in this argument, his phrasing was only slightly hyperbolic, what currys doing is unpresidented

truly unlike any president ever.

hey you know who is having an insane 3pt shooting year Kevin durant

xps Heh also fwiw basically every Yahoo! page over the last year has timed out in Chrome + Adblock for me and my life remains unaffected.

think we already established that the top 3 pt shooters of all time, with the exception of ray and reggie, are just above average 3 shooters who also play 25 seasons

Disco Matt sez, "If these trends continue ... "

http://i.imgur.com/PSk6gaF.jpg

ya kinda depends on what you mean by top xp

yeah durant's funny because he's always been a great shooter and has been known to be a great shooter, but this is the first year he's actually putting up great shooting numbers

hah well we can talk about best 3 pt shooters ever by % and w/ arbitrary number of 3's made, or by most number of 3's made

really happy that steph curry is gonna turn out to be a better 3 shooter than kyle korver

you have to balance the % w year played attempts per game types of threes taken and then you will know the truth

"Which newish guy has a chance to be the greatest 3pt shooter of all time?"

Becoming the G.O.A.T. requires so many factors to come together that such players come around very infrequently. so, most years the right answer to that question is "nobody".

afaics, no newish guys have demonstrated they have much of a chance. Curry has showed he has the stroke, but those ankles of his look to be so fragile that his odds of coming out on top of every other player of all time by the time he hangs it up look like about 50 to 1 against him right now. otoh, his becoming a top ten 3 pt shooter seems much more likely. More like 2 to 1. against.

And, if 3 pointers had been around in his day, the real G.O.A.T. was Freddie Brown.

afaics, no newish guys have demonstrated they have much of a chance

dude guys are shooting so many more threes and hitting them at such a higher rate its more like some newish guy is p much guaranteed to be the best ever

I mean ray Allen even shoots better than young ray allen

so, which newish guy do you like for g.o.a.t.?

idk curry durant Ryan Anderson Kevin Martin some college kid Steve Novak Austin rivers

also: Steve Nash

Austin lol

Right now Curry is #2 all-time in % (has about 2/3 as many shots as career leader Steve Kerr). I don't know Curry's attempts-per-game, but I'd guess it's higher than Top % guys but lower than Top Made guys. If he ended his career in the Top 10 of both, he's as strong a g.o.a.t. candidate as anyone. atm Nash is the only other guy in both Top 10s. Only 5 out of Top Made shot 40% or better; Jason Kidd is #3 and shot at 35% for his career.

w/r/t Curry's ankles, ask a Sonics (RIP?)/ Bucks fan if they thought Ray Allen would still be jacking 3pts in 2013.

if this year is any indication he will have plenty attempts, career hes less than 1 attempt per game behind allen, tho obvs thats not an apples to apples comparison

Nash shoots about 2 threes a month

hes 10th in 3pt shots made ever

Gotta love Matt Bonner:

"I don’t make sandwiches. Remember, I’m The Sandwich HUNTER, not the sandwich maker. Making a sandwich for myself would be like Ted Nugent giving up his guns and taking up laser tag."

Yeah, plus I'd bet that Allen's attempts-per-game were lower during the 1st half of his career, where he was asked to be more of a slasher/driver scorer. Curry has the benefit of his team building around Curry's 3-pt shooting, ie they build a solid chunk of their offense around getting Curry 3pt looks.

Also <3 B0nner now and forever.

Curry and Thompson