the lakers have just pooped their big-boy pants: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 2)

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crab dribble XD

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

last 5 minutes: shit bball

moullet, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:28 (thirteen years ago)

yeah game got mad jerky

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:33 (thirteen years ago)

russ flopped

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:35 (thirteen years ago)

man, the bulls...

houston is gonna ball next year if they can actually land a max player or at least flesh out their rotation a bit

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:56 (thirteen years ago)

prayin for k love in Houston, would be a fun as hell team

Todd Terragh - "It's the Harps" (m bison), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:59 (thirteen years ago)

yeah that would be p ideal

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:15 (thirteen years ago)

damn, asik shitting on the bulls tonight

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)

somebody I knew at school said his sister was dating asik

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)

my old school, I mean

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:41 (thirteen years ago)

sure he didn't just say she was dating a sikh?

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

asik's funny he's one of those guys who looks at least 5 years older than he is

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

he looks really good handling the ball on passes under the basket tonight

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9627011/photos/facepalm.gif

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

Now JVG is praising the officiating skills of Violet Palmer, plz to back to coaching smh

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

watching clips for first time in a while. they look kind of sloppy to me so far, hard to believe they're as good as they are

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:04 (thirteen years ago)

somebody I knew at school said his sister was dating asik

― 乒乓, Tuesday, December 25, 2012 9:41 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she said he was just a rebounder though

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:05 (thirteen years ago)

billy crystal / espn synergy, now that's what I call Christmas *slices wrists*

Clay, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:18 (thirteen years ago)

I feel the same but I still lol'd at his "Shabbat Shalom" line

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:22 (thirteen years ago)

he's really bad though, sucking all the energy out of this

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:28 (thirteen years ago)

damn, griffin

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:39 (thirteen years ago)

wow Asik was +41

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 05:29 (thirteen years ago)

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/189ici9yqdbyyjpg/original.jpg

hero

Clay, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 05:58 (thirteen years ago)

Thats the best picture.

small-scale fux with (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 06:50 (thirteen years ago)

rockets have won 6 of 7, are 15-12 on the season and are up to no. 7 in hollinger's power rankings

they finish 2012 with games at minn, at SA, vs okc and vs atl... i think i'm gonna leap from the warriors bandwagon back to houston for the next week or so

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 09:31 (thirteen years ago)

by "finish 2012" i mean literally finish this calendar year, not the season

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 09:32 (thirteen years ago)

lol if the playoffs ended today, heat/celtics & knicks/nets would be the 1/8 and 2/7 games

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 09:33 (thirteen years ago)

er, season ended today

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 09:34 (thirteen years ago)

knicks are fading pretty fast

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 13:38 (thirteen years ago)

http://twitpic.com/bpl6xf

special unis were on the whole p dope imho

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7Z20fJH6I (lag∞n), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:43 (thirteen years ago)

haha I've practiced that dribble before, always wondered why I never saw it in games

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:45 (thirteen years ago)

gif is p mysterious, nothing really makes sense, just cp3 hypnotizing people

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7Z20fJH6I (lag∞n), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:46 (thirteen years ago)

also

http://i.imgur.com/L1iRv.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7Z20fJH6I (lag∞n), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:48 (thirteen years ago)

^_^

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:53 (thirteen years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/B4xwe.png

heh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7Z20fJH6I (lag∞n), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 18:48 (thirteen years ago)

ILH driving the narrative yet again

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 19:23 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.terezowens.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Screen-Shot-2012-12-23-at-7.25.37-AM-500x500.png

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

looking a little dusty

drunk 'n' white's elements of style (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:35 (thirteen years ago)

I wonder what game he got

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 20:49 (thirteen years ago)

PreOwned

Aimless, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 21:09 (thirteen years ago)

here's that pelton article

Thanks to the Chris Paul trade, the New Orleans Hornets joined the Portland Trail Blazers as one of two teams with a pair of picks in the lottery of last June's NBA draft. After taking Kentucky forward Anthony Davis No. 1 overall, the Hornets were also able to add another top one-and-done prospect, Duke guard Austin Rivers, with the 10th pick.

While Davis and Rivers were once considered perhaps the top two prospects in the country coming out of high school, they have had very different professional debuts. When healthy, Davis has lived up to the hype he generated as a National Player of the Year and national champion during his lone college season; he leads all rookies in PER. By contrast, Rivers has struggled with the transition to the NBA, in several ways -- that includes making only 34.6 percent of his shot attempts inside the 3-point line.

In fact, Rivers is on track to make dubious history during his rookie campaign. Two months into the season, Rivers projects to rate nearly seven wins worse than a replacement-level player by my player metric, which would be the worst WARP score in the 34 seasons on record, starting with 1979-80, the first NBA season with the 3-point line.

WORST WARP SCORES
Player Season Team Win % MPG WARP
Austin Rivers (projected) 2012-13 NOH .271 28.2 -6.9
Jason Collins 2006-07 NJN .250 23.1 -6.5
Adam Morrison 2006-07 CHA .300 29.9 -5.8
Michael Curry 2001-02 DET .273 23.3 -5.7
Desmond Mason 2006-07 NOH .313 34.3 -5.7
Desmond Mason 2005-06 NOH .292 30.1 -5.6
Trenton Hassell 2002-03 CHI .288 24.4 -5.3
Calbert Cheaney 2002-03 UTA .309 29.0 -5.3
Charlie Scott 1979-80 DEN .287 27.0 -5.2
Juwan Howard 1999-00 WAS .333 35.5 -5.2
Dickey Simpkins 1999-00 CHI .268 23.9 -5.2
WARP stands for Wins Above Replacement Player, because normally it is measuring a player's positive impact. But in the case of Rivers, it is measuring a player's negative impact on his team's efforts.

Like its baseball cousins, the various types of "WAR" that figured so prominently in this year's AL MVP debate, WARP is a value statistic that includes two components -- per-minute performance (measured by player win percentage) and minutes played. For players who rate better than replacement, more minutes translate into more value. That relationship flips for ineffective players such as Rivers, who play worse than the type of player a team could invite to training camp or call up from the D-League.

So a "replacement player" is what, exactly? It's the type of player who is easy to find when a team needs a replacement. To find a good example, look no further than Hornets guard Brian Roberts, who went undrafted out of Dayton before starring overseas and signing with the Hornets after a successful stint in summer league. Roberts has been far more effective than Rivers as both a scorer and distributor while making the NBA's minimum salary.

Of course, to build a historically negative WARP rating, a player has to be on the court in the first place. Most of the leaderboard is made up of defensive specialists whose value is not reflected by their individual statistics. Collins, for example, is one of the players most underrated by advanced box score stats.

Beyond that, the list is filled out by players who were overexposed on terrible teams and rookies whose potential demanded playing time that their performance did not yet justify. Rivers qualifies on both counts. With Eric Gordon out of the lineup, the 5-22 Hornets have few good alternatives in the backcourt despite Roberts' surprising performance. Backup wing Xavier Henry has been nearly as ineffective. The situation will change when Gordon returns to action after being cleared to practice over the weekend.

Still, Monty Williams will surely find regular playing time for Rivers, who appears to be a major part of New Orleans' future by virtue of the high pick the team used to draft him. Williams indicated as much to the New Orleans Times-Picayune earlier this month, saying, "I'm going to play him through his mistakes and it's going to help our program two or three years from now."

Because this Hornets season is going nowhere, the more important question is what Rivers' slow start says about his long-term development. Despite the cautionary example of Adam Morrison (see chart), the only rookie currently in the WARP bottom 10, a poor first season isn't necessarily a death knell for a player's career. Allan Houston, Chris Kaman and Glen Rice all developed into All-Stars after rating at least three wins below replacement as rookies. And none of those players was anywhere near as young or inexperienced as Rivers at the time.

Still, the more common outcome is that even those ineffective rookies who go on to long careers tend to never rate well statistically. Jeff Green, who had -4.1 WARP during his first season with the Seattle SuperSonics, is a good example. As much as young players tend to improve, the shape of their performance usually doesn't change, and Rivers' volume shooting has always played better among scouts than by the numbers.

Furthermore, the troubling aspect of Rivers' play this season is that it can't really be called a fluke. In fact, his per-minute win percentage (.271) is nearly exactly what his translated college stat line indicated (.274). Frankly, there is no track record of Rivers playing an efficient brand of basketball against high-level competition. He was one of the least valuable NBA players during the preseason, and even shot just 4-of-19 from the field in two summer-league games before suffering an ankle injury.

Supporters will point to Rivers' shot selection as the culprit for his poor percentages, but Hoopdata.com shows that the larger issue has been his inability to finish at the rim, where Rivers is making just 42.9 percent of his attempts (the league average is 63.9 percent). Though this will improve as Rivers learns to navigate rangy NBA shot-blockers, finishing is typically a skill players bring with them to the league. Bradley Beal, another one-and-done guard who has struggled at times during his rookie season, is shooting 61.0 percent at the rim.

Moreover, Rivers has yet to show the kind of dynamic playmaking the Hornets hoped would allow him to transition to point guard in the NBA. His assist rate is only slightly better than average for a shooting guard, let alone a lead ball handler. If Rivers is unable to handle the point, it will be difficult for him to coexist with a healthy Gordon in the New Orleans backcourt.

At age 20, Rivers has plenty of time to develop a more efficient game, possibly focused around the best skill he has shown so far -- 36.7 percent shooting from beyond the arc. If he gets there, his eventual style of play will bear little resemblance to his ineffective brand of basketball thus far.

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:13 (thirteen years ago)

i'm pretty good at basketball and i can't figure out how to do that cp3 dribble thing

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:39 (thirteen years ago)

lebron kicking his 3pt shooting up drastically while his FT shooting plummets are pretty at odds w/ each other, i wonder which is real

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:44 (thirteen years ago)

i'd like to believe that he knows his 3pt shot got better which is why he's shooting a bunch more compared to last season but who knows

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:44 (thirteen years ago)

i'm pretty good at basketball and i can't figure out how to do that cp3 dribble thing

u are trying to make the ball spin so that it bounces back to the same hand ... like if ur dribbling with ur right hand, u want to make the ball spin clockwise (from ur perspective)

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:47 (thirteen years ago)

including this one LeBron has increased his FG% in 6 consecutive season

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:52 (thirteen years ago)

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Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:52 (thirteen years ago)

_i'm pretty good at basketball and i can't figure out how to do that cp3 dribble thing_

u are trying to make the ball spin so that it bounces back to the same hand ... like if ur dribbling with ur right hand, u want to make the ball spin clockwise (from ur perspective)

like u know how when u throw the ball in front of u but put back spin on it so it comes back 2 u... like that but sideways and w 1 hand

乒乓, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:55 (thirteen years ago)

Young Mr. Rivers should have stayed in school a couple more years, assuming someone there was trying their damnedest to teach him how to play the game, instead of just handing him a ball and saying go out and play. The problem with the NBA is that the patrons pay too much for their seats to inflict a sub-par player on them for 30 mpg for a couple of seasons, waiting for him to develop an NBA game.

Aimless, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:56 (thirteen years ago)


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