yeah, i'm talkin dwight / yeah, i'm talkin steve: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 1)

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the Javale rules are driving me nuts. A Javale airball is immediate benching, a Lawson or Gallo airball is business as usual

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:00 (thirteen years ago)

wow they're gonna give him 3 for that

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 06:07 (thirteen years ago)

wtf, since when can you review this?

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 06:07 (thirteen years ago)

what the hell

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:08 (thirteen years ago)

wow iggy

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 06:09 (thirteen years ago)

LOL that hold by Lee!

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:10 (thirteen years ago)

haha yeah

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 06:11 (thirteen years ago)

why the fuck is dre in

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 06:11 (thirteen years ago)

this will be the first actual play the Nuggets have run in about 8 minutes of game time, it seems

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:12 (thirteen years ago)

cool play

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:13 (thirteen years ago)

btw

"The strategic resting of particular players on particular nights is within the discretion of the teams," Silver told NBA.com in April with the qualifier that it was a lockout-shortened season. "And Gregg Popovich in particular is probably the last coach that I would second guess."

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:14 (thirteen years ago)

no way that's .5

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:17 (thirteen years ago)

nope. way to think about it iggy

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 06:17 (thirteen years ago)

another wonderfully designed play too, really crisp

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:18 (thirteen years ago)

apparently all of Miller's inbounds passes are end zone fades

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:18 (thirteen years ago)

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1811565/kenneth-faried.gif

Clay, Friday, 30 November 2012 06:54 (thirteen years ago)

POP <3

moullet, Friday, 30 November 2012 13:57 (thirteen years ago)

he may have lost the game but at least he schooled barkley on the between-quarter interview 2 questions rule

questionable motor (agent hibachi), Friday, 30 November 2012 14:47 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcegYF_Ti78

Just now striking me that Pop has a strong Bob Knight vibe, minus BK's repellence.

eurosteppin into heaven (CompuPost), Friday, 30 November 2012 16:35 (thirteen years ago)

hollinger otm

Punish Pop? David Stern out of lineCommissioner's reaction reveals a double standard. (PER Diem: Nov. 30, 2012)Originally Published: November 29, 2012By John Hollinger | ESPN.com
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Gregg Popovich brought his 'B' squad into Miami Thursday night, and David Stern was not happy.

If David Stern is trying to create enthusiasm for the start of the Adam Silver Era, he's off to a good start.

Stern's bizarre decision to announce the San Antonio Spurs would face as-yet-unnamed "substantial sanctions" -- calling it "unacceptable" without ever specifying why -- for sitting out four starters against Miami on Thursday night, bore all the classic tenets of bad management: Reactive, inconsistent, overbearing, and moving us no closer to a solution to the underlying issue.

Let's walk through it. Understandably, ticket-holders in Miami were upset they wouldn't get to see San Antonio's three All-Stars (although Southwest ticket holders in Orlando apparently were thrilled). Also understandably, so was TNT -- one of the league's national television rights holders who thought it would have a marquee game to televise.

While we ended up with a surprisingly good game -- a 105-100 Miami win decided in the final half-minute -- it's likely that some viewers turned off their sets when they saw the assorted de Colos and Josephs on the floor for San Antonio. Or that's the argument, anyway, although it breaks down when one considers the Spurs have pretty much been a form of TV-viewer repellent for several years now. (Seriously, I've probably written a hundred columns on the Spurs over the past decade, and this may be the first one that more than eight non-relatives outside the state of Texas will read.)

Nonetheless, let's walk through the four main problems I have with Stern's sudden decree:

Reactive. Popovich told our Brian Windhorst that he'd basically decided as soon as the schedule came out that he'd be resting his players for this game. Certainly if the league had given him some warning not to do it -- Popovich has done this several times before, remember -- he would have thought twice about enacting his plan.

More important, anyone with any familiarity with the Spurs could see this coming from a mile away. I wrote about it in my column Thursday morning, and it's not as if I'd had a sudden burst of clairvoyance; San Antonio Express-News beat writer Jeff McDonald had been warning fans for several days that the Spurs would likely tank this game.

Stern's reaction was to be Captain Renault in "Casablanca," shocked to learn that teams sometimes sit out healthy players in his league. Clearly he felt some blowback (probably from the networks more than fans) about what had happened, and immediately went into knee-jerk mode. But this was not some sudden, unexpected thunderbolt like the fight at the Palace. He should have been prepared for it.

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Inconsistent. This is not the first time Popovich has done this; not even close. He never has been sanctioned, or warned, or even glanced at sideways. Last season he sat all his starters in a game at Portland just before the All-Star break, for instance, and unlike Thursday night that contest wasn't close at all: The Blazers won by 40. (A night remembered fondly out there as "the last time we thought the Blazers were good.") He also has done this a couple of other times over the past few years, nearly always at the end of a long road trip with a back-to-back set, like Thursday night's game at Miami.

Moreover, Popovich isn't the only one. You want a bad national TV game as a result of sitting stars? How about last year's Miami-Boston game on April 24, in which six of the seven All-Stars from the two different teams sat out because of assorted maladies, both real and imagined, and the result was a 78-66 abomination that may be the single-worst game I have ever seen in person. (Did I mention I flew up to cover this putrescence?) I'm still waiting to hear about the sanctions facing those two teams.

Or, more important, there's the little matter that the league is completely unwatchable in March and April because of all the rampant tanking taking place by teams out of the playoff chase, combined with playoff teams resting key players as well. Here's what I wrote after being subjected to that Heat-Celtics stinker last April, and my feelings haven't changed: Fixing the abominable quality of the last two months of the season is one of the bigger problems facing the league. The league has shown no real momentum toward addressing it.

But Popovich sitting out his starters for one game in November, so he can have a better team by the end of the season and win more games (which he usually does)? That's the problem that requires action?

Overbearing: So now we're going to have "substantial sanctions" for this event, that the Spurs had no idea was going to provoke a response from the league despite the ample and obvious warning signals they'd given that this would happen?

Great. So next time San Antonio wants to do this, it will be five percent harder. The Spurs will have to make up fake injuries, perhaps (how we missed you, "tendonitis," ever since the injured list went away), and probably have them chill on Miami Beach on game night instead of flying them home early from Orlando (that'll show 'em!). He might even have to choose a different game to tank -- I don't think we would have had such a commotion if Popovich had sent out the 'B' team against the Magic a night earlier, for instance.

Better yet, maybe if the commissioner is so concerned about fans being able to see the stars compete, he can tell us what sanctions he gave himself last Nov. 29, when nobody could see any games because the players were locked out.

Stern has just taken a running start down a mighty steep and slippery slope by essentially telling a team how to manage personnel. That's particularly true when it's a team trying to actually win and not that more common, depressing scenario of draft-inspired tanking. What if he orders Pop to play his guys and then Duncan gets hurt? Or at a lesser level, what if the Spurs lost a more important game upcoming against Memphis because they were tuckered out from this one and the long trip? These are the decisions coaches are making every day in this league, and they know their teams far better than Stern.

Not addressing the underlying problem. If the 82-game schedule is too taxing for virtually any player over the age of 25, and if back-to-backs at the end of long trips are particularly problematic, maybe the solution is not to throw the book at teams who try to manage for the long haul and have everybody in peak condition in June. (Sadly, there are a great many teams who don't fall under this banner.)

Maybe, just maybe, the problem is trying to schedule prominent national TV games with one of the teams on a back-to-back at the end of a long trip. Here's an idea: If you really want to make sure the TNT and ABC games are marquee events, then make sure both teams have a day off heading into it.

Instead, Stern's response essentially is to chastise the Spurs for being smarter than everybody else and figuring out that if you only contest, say, 79 of the 82 games on the schedule, you can come out of it in a lot better shape at the end.

I'll insert the caveat that there may be variables we don't know. Perhaps warnings were sent, wags of the finger given, and all of it happened behind the scenes. I still don't agree with it, for all the reasons given above, but it would seem maybe five percent more sensible than it does now.

Nonetheless, the initial takeaway from this affair is that this was a fit of Selig-ian lunacy not befitting of the best commissioner in sports history. One hopes that the league will sit down and take a more reasoned approach before deciding its "substantial" sanctions ... unless, that is, one of those sanctions involves Popovich taking extra questions in his between-quarter TV interviews. In that case, everybody wins.

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 16:40 (thirteen years ago)

awesome video xp

lag∞n, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:43 (thirteen years ago)

xxp nah pop is way funnier than bob knight.

call all destroyer, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:43 (thirteen years ago)

i want some nasty

am0n, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:36 (thirteen years ago)

someone asked hollinger in his chat about mcgee's playing time and one thing he mentioned offhand that i hadn't heard before is that javale has asthma that limits his minutes esp when playing in denver. not sure how much validity there is to that but it's new to me.

― J0rdan S., Friday, November 30, 2012 12:05 AM

let me google that for you
http://www.google.com/search?q=javale+asthma

am0n, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:38 (thirteen years ago)

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/cultist/2012/11/chris_bosh_objects_to_borscht.php

乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)

all you soups ukrainian christopher borscht

乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:44 (thirteen years ago)

ALL LIFE IS REAL

lag∞n, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

let me google that for you
http://www.google.com/search?q=javale+asthma

― am0n, Friday, November 30, 2012 12:38 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

haw, i wasn't saying "hmmm i wonder if he really has asthma". was just saying that i wasn't sure how much his asthma had to do w/ his playing time this season.

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 November 2012 17:52 (thirteen years ago)

was browsing through the 2005 draft ... i love america's scouting:

Sean May: turkey, croatia, italy, now france. achived playing time on big clubs.
Rashad McCants: crazy news aside, played in the d league, china, puerto rico and philippines
Antoine Wright: china, d league e a disaster on ACB last year
Joey Graham: in the last year: d league and puerto rico
Julius Hodge: from nba to italy, then an aussie period w moderate sucess. asia, puerto rico and now in 2nd division france.
Luther Head: china, d league.
Wayne Simien: retired after two years on spain (2nd division, leb oro league)

i mean.... theyre all 1st rounders!

moullet, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:14 (thirteen years ago)

Hodge has a good excuse at least.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:16 (thirteen years ago)

getting hit in the balls by cp3?

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:16 (thirteen years ago)

getting shot.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:18 (thirteen years ago)

shot in the balls by cp3

johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:24 (thirteen years ago)

Sean May: turkey, croatia, italy, now france. achived playing time on big clubs.
Rashad McCants: crazy news aside, played in the d league, china, puerto rico and philippines
Antoine Wright: china, d league e a disaster on ACB last year
Joey Graham: in the last year: d league and puerto rico
Julius Hodge: from nba to italy, then an aussie period w moderate sucess. asia, puerto rico and now in 2nd division france.
Luther Head: china, d league.
Wayne Simien: retired after two years on spain (2nd division, leb oro league)

i mean.... theyre all 1st rounders!

― moullet, Friday, November 30, 2012 1:14 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is a good example of why teams don't ever want to draft college seniors

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 November 2012 18:27 (thirteen years ago)

yeah for every lillard there's 20 of those clowns

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 18:48 (thirteen years ago)

and tbf its not like every 1st round pick can stick

lag∞n, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:55 (thirteen years ago)

if a team misses on a guy in the top 10-15 thats a def whiff

lag∞n, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:55 (thirteen years ago)

although there are some years where hardly anyone pans out

lag∞n, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:56 (thirteen years ago)

so if stern is threatening sanctions, does that make the spurs gazans? #topicalnews

am0n, Friday, 30 November 2012 19:12 (thirteen years ago)

i hope you guys read that SI article on javale i posted yesterday

Basketball was in JaVale's DNA—his father, George Montgomery, was a 6'9" center at Illinois; Pamela starred at USC alongside her twin sister, Paula, and Cheryl Miller—but not in his heart. When he was 13, and Pamela coached his AAU team in Sacramento, she popped him in the chest for carrying the ball too low in the post. "You're my mom!" JaVale barked. "You shouldn't be hitting me. You should be saying, 'You did your best. You tried.' "

omg!

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

There's more to McGee than he lets on. He writes music. He creates clever comedy sketches featuring his alter ego, Pierre McDunk. (He has a tattoo of a mustache on his index finger, which he puts over his lip when he's in character.)

ahhhh

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 19:46 (thirteen years ago)

wait you've never seen pierre mcdunk before??

乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 19:49 (thirteen years ago)

his mom's been famous

J0rdan S., Friday, 30 November 2012 19:53 (thirteen years ago)

yeah javale's mom was an ilh thing during the playoffs last year.

Clay, Friday, 30 November 2012 20:01 (thirteen years ago)

i remember that! i just didn't know about the tattoo

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)

follow him on instgarm

乒乓, Friday, 30 November 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)

feel like this guy really gets javale

liljon /bia/ bia (k3vin k.), Friday, 30 November 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)

When friends and family have computer problems, they call JaVale.

this

call all destroyer, Friday, 30 November 2012 20:54 (thirteen years ago)

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--david-stern-stumbles-again-in-his-failed-culture-war-against-the-spurs-194828970.html

Woj doing what he does

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 30 November 2012 21:47 (thirteen years ago)


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