yeah, i'm talkin dwight / yeah, i'm talkin steve: 2012-2013 NBA regular season thread (part 1)

their lineup seemed fine to me when battier was getting his ass kicked on the boards by faried and McGee was swatting Bosh's shots into the stands but I guess you gotta adjust to whatever Spoelstra does

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according to statistical service Synergy Sports, Denver’s Andre Iguodala held LeBron James to just six points on 9 possessions when directly defending him. Danilo Gallinari? Four points on six possessions.

re: gallo

he was not "wide open", he was open, and battier covered it well. he released it v fast because of the defense. read this morning he is playing through injuries, which seems alright. i do not hate on gallo, just think that, if u re playing hurt and strugglin to shoot the ball, u dont do that. move the ball or drive

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Denver again had amazingly low FT rate (19/88) for team that drives so much. Nearly best in 11-12, now nearly worst w/ same players.

i can only begin to imagine how much clay hates felton right now ^___^

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“That’s fair to second-guess,” Karl said after the game, “I just don’t feel comfortable playing JaVale and Kenneth Faried in defensive schemes (down the stretch), I think we make too many mistakes. I thought JaVale played great and when I took him out (with 7:39 left), I was initially thinking about putting him back in the game. But the matchups for me, I was choosing between Kenneth and JaVale, and I went with Kenneth.”

heat's crunch time line up was cole/ray/battier/bron/bosh... javale doesn't fit into that at all

― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Friday, November 16, 2012 1:40 AM (8 hours ago)

faried has guarded lebron a bunch btw. you could also hide him on battier and stick javale on bosh. there were plenty of ways to play this that didn't involve benching the hottest player on the team

if you put faried on battier -- who just hangs by the 3 point line -- then you take one of the best rebounders in the NBA out of the paint in favor of a guy who is a pretty bad rebounder. and faried can't guard lebron.

going big vs the heat makes sense when you have guys who can get their own offense in the post. the nuggets don't run sets through javale mcgee.

He scored in the post the whole game.

Battier guarding Faried is part of the reason Faried had 400 offensive rebounds.

nuggz didn't need to worry about rebounding as much with the heat going small anyway. and javale good rebounder btw...? - he'd be better if he wasn't so focused on shot-blocking, but his rebound rates are 16/16/16 which is pretty solid

i mean look you were obviously right about karl's thought process, i'm just not convinced you play defensively (that is, reacting to the other team's lineup) when a player is having a game like that and you're in the middle of a huge comeback. again we're arguing a counterfactual to an extent - who knows what would have happened - but it probably couldn't have been worse

and btw with chalmers hurt or in the doghouse and wade out, was spo really gonna sit cole? i know theoretically they should just run lebron or wade at the point more but i don't think spo really does that too much. i'd have to check the lineup data

he was not "wide open", he was open, and battier covered it well. he released it v fast because of the defense. read this morning he is playing through injuries, which seems alright. i do not hate on gallo, just think that, if u re playing hurt and strugglin to shoot the ball, u dont do that. move the ball or drive

You're moving the goalposts a bit, so now it's just a bad shot in the context of his injuries, shooting slump etc. As shots go it was an open one and not a bad shot to take in transition. Ray Allen shoots it there like 90% and then Battier gets ripped for playing so far off.

Anthony appeared frustrated by the lack of touches, shaking his head and laughing when the Knicks rotated the ball away from him late in the second quarter.

Anthony got aggressive after that possession, taking four shots in the final 3 minutes of the first half. He was blocked twice by Duncan under the basket. The first block resulted in Anthony's own follow-up basket and the second led to a 3-pointer by Green with 0.8 seconds that gave the Spurs a 57-55 lead at halftime.

Anthony finished with nine points on 3-for-12 shooting from the field.

"There was a point in the game where I huddled everybody up and said use me as a decoy. And it worked out there," Anthony said. "Pop did a great job of not even double-teaming me, but triple-teaming me; every time I touched the ball, making me see three guys."

suuuuure

really wish i could actually watch the knicks play

and btw with chalmers hurt or in the doghouse and wade out, was spo really gonna sit cole? i know theoretically they should just run lebron or wade at the point more but i don't think spo really does that too much. i'd have to check the lineup data

― chief beef (k3vin k.), Friday, November 16, 2012 11:13 AM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark

i think if denver had gone w/ one guard that spo would've gone with bron/ray/battier/bosh + someone else. cole played 39 minutes! that's insane.

M@tt you're boys are going down tonight. It's the battle of the depleteds.

javale was playing great, but it's not like he's a proven low post scorer. an argument can be made either way between faried and him down the stretch, but yeah i have more faith in faried not fucking up in crunch time moreso than javale.

actually i don't think faried/javale is an argument at all. whether they should've been playing at the same time last night is a diff story tho

faried/javale in general, no argument. in that game w/javale being so hot, think there is.

you guys are working on an impression of javale that's about a year out of date, imo

guess Karl is too then

i guess!

maybe. though he's giving him pretty serious rotation minutes on a team full of solid players. lots of people questioned the move at the time

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haha but there's those funny youtubes

well that solves it. javale mcgee is as good as tim duncan and dwight howard. he should play as many minutes them and will see no downtick in his numbers whatsoever.

yeah that's totally what I'm arguing.

javale is a complicated case. i'm a fan of his from the standpoint of wanting to watch him play and definitely is an incredible athlete who is getting better at basketball but if we're gonna act like he's in the same league as dwight howard and tim duncan, we can't ignore that his on/off court stats from this year are bad, as they have been for his entire career.

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as good as them combined, cause im not so sure abt that

this is the most epic ilh argument since is dre miller a pure point

denver's offense has been dramatically worse this year w/ him on the floor but hey he threw in a hook shot and a fadeaway, you'd be crazy to take that off the floor

a hook shot a fadeaway a post up hook a baseline dunk a floater in the lane

ALL VARIANCE

Jord mad digging through the stats after claiming McGee is a terrible rebounder

do we really have to sit here and talk about the hot hand theory

imagine how good javle could be if inside of him was a guy who was good at basketball

do we really have to sit here and talk about the hot hand theory

― pussy try it (J0rdan S.), Friday, November 16, 2012 10:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I posted his season per 36 numbers but I guess those don't count cuz they comparable to two future hall of famers so clearly they're wrong

"he threw in a hook shot and a fadeaway" yeah just a couple fluke plays in that game, nbd

the immortal Greg Anderson is better than Javale and Patrick Ewing

using per 36 stats for selectively used bench players is almost close to worthless. if javale played starter minutes, his stats wouldn't look like that. that's why he's a selectively used bench player.

this is the same argument we had when you tried to tell me that asik's per 36 minutes showed he was better than joakim noah

When he plays more than 15 minutes a game I'll give a crap about his projected numbers. His on/off court tells a much more compelling story, as he doesn't play in a vacuum but as part of a team. And his team is worse in nearly every category with him on the floor.

this is the same argument we had when you tried to tell me that asik's per 36 minutes showed he was better than joakim noah

― pussy try it (J0rdan S.), Friday, November 16, 2012 10:43 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I never said that, quit it with the straw man horseshit

using per 36 stats for selectively used bench players is almost close to worthless. if javale played starter minutes, his stats wouldn't look like that. that's why he's a selectively used bench player.

― pussy try it (J0rdan S.), Friday, November 16, 2012 10:43 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that's why that list is packed with selectively used bench players, good point

actually jordan studies have shown that as players minutes go up their per 36 averages tend to improve, tho its not a huge effect, so m/l per 36 minutes are generally a p good to go by

asik is totally better than noah tho

& anyway as EZ says the knock against javale has always been not that he can't get his own numbers but that the team is always worse when he plays. and that's still true this year!

asik is on a way better contract than noah but he's nowhere near as good

I guess his rebounds don't count either cuz he's terrible at it

hes a much better defender and hes not the biggest goober in the world