This is your rolling New York Knicks trainwreck thread

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5766651

i should've used this thread :-(

Who is Landry Fields and how is he suddenly a starter? This team is weird.

he scored lots of points for a weak stanford team last year. and maybe d'antoni thinks he fills the 2 spot better than wilson chandler and toney douglas? idk, it is pretty odd.

trainwreck my ass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QV62RY5yuE&fmt=18

― the knicks ain't that bad, Friday, November 5, 2010 11:07 PM (1 week ago)

u jinxed it dude, 4 game losing streak

ALL ABOARD

http://redstick.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/trainwreck2.jpg

this train is above .500 yall

surprises abound for our New York Knicks....
-the play of rookie guard Landry Fields (leads all guards in shooting %, #10 shooting percentage in the league, #1 rebounding guard in the league)
-blocking powerhouse (chandler and stats and turiaf each averaging like 2 per game)
-road warrior wins (most road wins of any team?)

we are looking much tougher this year... a lot of hard nails kats... (Felton, S.T.A.T., Turiaf, Fields)

even Galinari is starting to shoot less and draw a ton of fouls (2nd best FT shooter in the league?)

things are looking up.

I predict 7th seed come May.

oh yeah, another cool stat... Timofey Mozgov averaging about 6 PFpg and 15 mpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYeOCWFUDF0

for the love of god i hope all of this is true http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak1oqh5ILJdgL7gm2B2O9ju8vLYF?slug=aw-thomasknicks022011

if thats true, smh clean off

i mean WHO WHO in their right minds would ever be associated w/this insane organization

i find it more bizzare that isiah thomas found himself coaching at fiu.

and he gave up his first year's salary to be there! makes it seem like his choices were narrowed to the fiu and sable palm elementary school head-coaching positions.

james dolan & isiah thomas have got to be the worst front office tandem in the history of sports

maybe dan snyder & vinny cerrato are close

this has prob already been posted here but fuck it its always warranted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jioa-89VwSY

maybe dan snyder & vinny cerrato are close

I don't think it's close. Dolan and Thomas are unstoppable.

I mean, Snyder and Cerrato are bad with personnel but they didn't participate in a disgusting culture of sexual harassment and illegal tactics on top of it. Snyder is a successful businessman in his own right, not a trust funder like Dolan.

Al Davis is a saint by comparison btw.

Sterling/Baylor were pretty bad but Baylor can't compete with Ike.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6141981

nets package is much better

It's absurd to me that the Knicks would have to give up that much and STILL might not get the Nugs to pull the trigger.

""It was a fantastic meeting, trust me," Prokhorov said, according to CNBC.com. "No words, live music, excellent atmosphere. We looked into each other's eyes. Just real man talk.""

uh

ha some p funny emotions being felt by knicks fans - on one hand theyre psyched for getting melo - on the other theyre reminded james dolan is destined to completely fuck everything up http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/02/the_knicks_are_likely_to_end_u.html

also stodamire has a tattoo saying 'poverty'

he should get a tatoo saying "trade me"

He should have one that says "apostrophe"

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2011/02/ipt/1298195706.jpg?&sig=RQZNOx_JmL9LigzVUBbyJw--

hi!!!

he can't even do the pat my head, rub my belly thing right.

head pat / mutombo finger wag

new, intense workout regimen isiah will install when he returns to coach 'melo and 'mare

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CqDk4jAv_Y4/TSGiWrFEpNI/AAAAAAAAFw4/8j7F_62xKhk/s1600/03.jpg

really rooting for the nets to pull this out

sounds like they're less a real factor now, and more a pressure-point to force the NYK to overpay for 'melo.

anyone heard whether billups will demand a buyout if he's traded? i've read that, but mostly in the context of him being shipped to the nets in a 'melo package.

if true i'm gonna assume that means melo cannot be convinced to go to new jersey. the knicks package is poor tbh.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/24/amd_knicks-isiah-shirt.jpg

haha. well, for all their incompetence, new york could stumble into a nice starting lineup if they sign dwight howard or chris paul when they become free agents (can't get them both).

i think it would be a waste for dwight howard to sign there. new york, under this regime, plays no defense. howard is a great defender, but he can only do so much in that system.

so are they actually thinner than miami?

Dantoni only plays 6 or 7 guys anyways, so bench doesn't matter.

yeah i guess you're right.

next thing knicks need is a real coach.

haha. well, for all their incompetence, new york could stumble into a nice starting lineup if they sign dwight howard or chris paul when they become free agents (can't get them both).

― Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, February 22, 2011 10:39 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cant get either due to salary cap / no trade chips

nash n dirk 2 knicks

cant get either due to salary cap / no trade chips

dwight howard to LAL always seemed more likely to me. crushing blow to the magic -- again.

i mean i think it's fair to wait and see what the new salary structure is....wouldn't surprise me if there's some grandfathering of old contracts plus the ability to have three max players--it's pretty clear that clustering the elite talent works to the nba's advantage.

hollinger hates the trade for new york mostly cause of the opportunity cost, kinda an interesting way to look at it

New York: D+

You can't evaluate this as you would a normal trade. This deal was made at gunpoint, and that colors the entire assessment.

Anthony became the first player in memory to issue a trade demand and then list one team that he'd accept a trade to. And then somehow, the Knicks decided to start bidding against themselves and repeatedly agreed to up the ante in the final hours.

New York could have had Anthony this summer while losing only Chandler (a restricted free agent they would have had to renounce). Their primary risk to that outcome was a "franchise tag" in the new collective bargaining agreement that would have allowed Denver to keep Anthony. But even then plenty of alternatives were available for the Knicks, as three better players -- Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Dwight Howard -- all seemed anxious to get to the Big Apple via power plays of their own, and one of the three (or another marquee star) may have wriggled free regardless of what new restrictions the next CBA imposes.

This isn't Indiana or Memphis, and this saga laid that reality bare. Even with a franchise tag rule, New York had so many advantages that it was only a matter of time before a second star showed up, especially given the salary cap space the Knicks had carved out.

To get a player like Anthony in those circumstances, it was worth paying something above just Chandler to convert a likely outcome to a certainty.

But in this case the premium New York paid was as follows, beyond Chandler:

• Gallinari
• Mozgov
• Their 2014 first-round draft pick
• Golden State's second-round picks in 2012 and 2013 (owned by the Knicks)
• $6 million in cash ($3 million each to Minnesota and Denver)
• Swallowing two dead-money years at the end of Balkman's contract
• Trading Anthony Randolph for Corey Brewer
• Trading Felton for Billups, making New York eight years older at the point guard spot with a player who makes nearly twice in salary next season. Remind again why they needed to commit to all eight of these additional considerations for a player they were likely to get anyway?

The worst part, of course, is that this deal proves that no matter how many advantages New York gains from its magnetic appeal to potential free agents, owner James Dolan will screw them up. Leaning on the genius of Isiah Thomas -- because it worked out so well for the first time -- he fell hook, line and sinker for every bluff thrown his way by the Nuggets and Melo's people. (Yes, Melo's people participated -- Anthony needed to make sure he got a lucrative contract extension under the current salary rules before being traded.)

New York still gets its Melo-Stoudemire nucleus, but now lacks the supporting pieces to do anything important with that core. And by extending Melo now, they agree to lock him up at such an expensive price that, in concert with Stoudemire's deal, it likely precludes making a run at Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard in 2012.

Denver: B+

With a loaded gun pointed at their heads, the Nuggets bluffed and schemed their way to a very palatable end-game by running circles around the New York area's battling ownership groups. Using New Jersey for leverage and hoping the Knicks were foolish enough to take the bait, Denver eventually squeezed terms that got the Nuggets under the luxury tax line -- a sizable fit considering they were $13 million over -- brought in a much younger point guard, two quality forwards, a young big man, a first-round pick, two second-round picks and cash.

That's not a bad haul, and it still may be improved upon. With Lawson ready to move up to the starting role, it appears Felton may be moved on to a third team. It's not out of the question that Denver could still make the playoffs, and if the Nuggets can hang on to center Nene Hilario -- another of the Nuggets' potential free agents -- Denver will come out of this in far better shape than most teams that lose a star player.

Minnesota: B+

I like Brewer, but I'd trade him for Randolph in a heartbeat. Brewer is a solid role player who plays great defense but can't shoot or dribble. That type of player has his uses, but that's all Brewer will ever be. Helpful, yes, but fungible too.

Randolph has a lower floor but a much higher ceiling. He can't shoot, he weighs 11 pounds and he's a head case. On the other hand, he has rare shot-blocking talent, handles the ball unusually well for a player of his size, and is an elite athlete. He's a potential game-changer at the defensive end and, if the light bulb ever comes on, he's going to provide a very potent complement to Kevin Love's skills in the Minnesota frontcourt.

The price of that trade was just swallowing Curry's expiring contract, but because of the difference in salary between Brewer and Randolph and the $3 million coming from New York, it's pretty much a wash financially. Basically it amounts to a free talent upgrade for Minnesota just for loaning out their cap space to get the Nuggets under the luxury tax.

yeah i saw that--heavily based upon taking it as a given that the knicks could've gotten melo over the summer. i mean, do we know how true that really is?

i mean i think it's fair to wait and see what the new salary structure is....wouldn't surprise me if there's some grandfathering of old contracts plus the ability to have three max players--it's pretty clear that clustering the elite talent works to the nba's advantage.

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:05 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really id imagine one of the main things the league is trying to avoid is all the good players clustering in elite cities creating a tiered set up where most teams never have any chance - theres been a lot of talk form the owners of a franchise tag which is p much the antithesis of wanting more stacked teams - its good to remember that when youre talking abt 'the league' youre talking abt the owners - but even if there was some separate entity just looking out for the interests of the nba as a whole imo crating more miamis would srsly not be a good move - i mean boston la w/e is w/in traditional parameters - but this maimi situation is different - its worth noting that everyone hates them

yeah it's also worth noting how good the nba's tv ratings are this year.

i see your point but right now the talent level in the nba is so good that we can have the luxury of a few elite teams and also have tons of teams that are interesting and worth seeing/paying attention to for one reason or another. i tend to feel that all the conventional wisdom stuff about it being a stars league and being an extremely predictable league is otm. is it in anyone's interest to keep a superteam from being built in new york so instead we can have another denver and another phoenix--two teams that were "good" for years but were never going to win a championship?

anyway maybe i'm just projecting because the nba is borrrrring when the talent is distributed evenly

i dont think it has to be distributed evenly you just want to avoid situation where small market/boring cities feel like they have no chance to compete or keep their best players cause theyre inevitably going conspire w/their friends to go to l.a.