playing games on a PC, misc. chatter, Steam names, etc...

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I thought we could you a general PC gaming thread as mentioned by some others on the confusingly wii titled thread...

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

Has anybody tried out Tank Universal yet?
Basically the tank part of tron it looks like. I guess it's out for real in a couple of days? Wish it had multiplayer...

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

It would be cool to have more "steam friends," where I do most of my PC gaming, I guess. If anybody wants to add me, my steam tag is jefflev13

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 19 August 2008 21:29 (twelve years ago) link

You've bought a lot of stuff off Steam! I'll friend you once I get my stuff going... if that ever happens, or if I join in for another free TF2 weekend.

Nhex, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 02:55 (twelve years ago) link

TF2 is free again this weekend... though I'll be out of town and away from my computer (which is probably a good thing). All the new stuff they added to the game today seems pretty awesome, but now it has so much content it's a bit overwhelming with all the different modes and everything going on all of a sudden

Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

i bought something called someone-or-others-big-bucks-shooting on steam. but it's rubbish.

i'm guessing with the imminent release of gta4 on pc, that new games are probably becoming way too heavy for my pc spec to handle.

Ste, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 09:08 (twelve years ago) link

There are a lot of awful games on steam - I guess they don't really say no to anybody. A little quality control probably wouldn't hurt. Though there are also more good games on there than there's time for.

Ste - I do think there's actually a trend away from making the new games super demanding. Sure there are a few titles, the upcoming Crysis and Far Cry 2 look hefty, but the more interesting stuff are these games most computers should be able to handle, like Left4Dead (still using the source engine) and the promising looking, low spec Battlefield Heroes.

Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

I am playing through deus ex for the first time; so great and so many ideas

recommend me some other games I should play; I'm on a macbook (windows under boot camp)

cozwn, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

ooooh, this PC gaming is amazing!! finally a chance to play all those games I never had a PC powerful enough to play

system shock 2 is something ELSE

cozwn, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 16:07 (twelve years ago) link

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

I am GEEKING OUT on this stuff

fallout, fallout 2, system shock 2, deus ex

christmas at cozen's

cozwn, Tuesday, 2 September 2008 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

Dude. After you're done with the Fallouts - Planescape Torment.

Nhex, Wednesday, 3 September 2008 01:11 (twelve years ago) link

The late 90s were a golden age for PC gaming, I think.

Nhex, Wednesday, 3 September 2008 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

next on the list are: x-com and thief

any other recs?

cozwn, Wednesday, 3 September 2008 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

Anybody else get into the GOG early access beta?

I just got my key and the set-up seems pretty nice. I haven't bought anything yet, but when I have the time I'd like to check out at least the Fallouts, MDK 2, and Descents (since I never played any of 'em yet). Any othger recommendations?

If you don't know what this site is, it's basically a steam like set-up for selling older PC games that have been updated to run on XP/Vista, at great, inexpensive prices (like six bucks for most titles) and with no DRM.

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 11 September 2008 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, I got it

two-for-one on fallout and fallout 2? yes please!!

thanksbutnothanksonthatbridgetonowhere (cozwn), Thursday, 11 September 2008 19:12 (twelve years ago) link

I'm in, too. Gotta love how it looks so far - explicitly catering to that late 90's nostalgic PC gamer who played or wanted to play all those Interplay games, and yet the site has a weirdly smooth Apple-like appearance (also catering to me) and the prices are very good (yay, me). I still have my Fallout 1/2 CDs, so I haven't decided what to get yet - perhaps Freepace 1/2, and that Jagged Alliance 2 expansion. I remember Messiah being really buggy back in the day, but it was pretty well-executed in most other ways. Hope this site does well and expands.

Nhex, Friday, 12 September 2008 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

Like cozen, I just got XP running on a pretty spec MacBook Pro. Will it be able to run new things well? What should I get. Currently all I have on it is... Quake II.

milling through the grinder, grinding through the mill (S-), Friday, 12 September 2008 06:16 (twelve years ago) link

If it's got an Nvidia card, it should be able to handle pretty much anything recent. Look at Steam and GameTap (Psychonauts free!), there's decent stuff out there.

Nhex, Friday, 12 September 2008 09:03 (twelve years ago) link

Oh shit, Multiwinia just got released. Must find more time!

Anybody else planning to pick this one up?

Jeff LeVine, Friday, 19 September 2008 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Steam weekend deal : Grand Theft Auto, Grand Theft Auto 2, Grand Theft Auto 3, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Manhunt, Max Payne, Max Payne 2, Midnight Club 2, Wild Metal
all for $29.99 ($34.99 in europe)
thats a whole lot of game!

zappi, Friday, 26 September 2008 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

Damn, if I had a steady job right now I'd love to get that - I never played San Andreas, and always wanted to play Manhunt and Max Payne 2, even though I heard they were pretty mediocre.

Nhex, Saturday, 27 September 2008 06:20 (twelve years ago) link

You could get San Andreas for 9.99 and skip lunch (don't have to but the whole pack)...

Jeff LeVine, Saturday, 27 September 2008 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

San Andreas is my favourite game of all time. I almost don't want to play it again, because I'm afraid looking at it with 2008 eyes will sully all my beautiful memories.

antexit, Sunday, 28 September 2008 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

Gravitron 2 just added to the store today. It looks interesting. For only five bucks, I'll probably pick it up when I have a little more time...

Jeff LeVine, Wednesday, 1 October 2008 04:29 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

I finally picked up San Andreas for $10 at Best Buy a few days ago. Of course, Steam decides to do a $10 sale on Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines! Very tempting...

Nhex, Saturday, 1 November 2008 05:52 (eleven years ago) link

Anyone used direct2drive? I prefer it over steam. Simpler to use.

calstars, Saturday, 1 November 2008 12:14 (eleven years ago) link

Does D2D have the download and install anywhere for an unlimited number of times and auto-patching Steam has? I haven't actually used it myself, but was thinking about it when Bionic Commando came out. I could see how not having to load that Steam client would be nice, though.

Nhex, Sunday, 2 November 2008 01:09 (eleven years ago) link

Yes, I've d/l'ed Bioshock from D2D 3 or 4 times. No auto-patching though AFAIK.

calstars, Sunday, 2 November 2008 13:03 (eleven years ago) link

Starscape and Mr. Robot are now available on Steam for That's less than half of what you'd pay getting them from Moonpod directly. Mr. Robot's okay, but Starscape's a really nice little title, a souped-up Sinistar with some RPG elements from Star Control II in building your shipbase, the ship fighting, and resource gathering.

Nhex, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:58 (eleven years ago) link

Whoops! Wish I had that "edit post" function...

Nhex, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 00:59 (eleven years ago) link

they cost a URL?

s1ocki, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 01:39 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

most accurate life sim ever. for real (c/o PTG) (protest)

Nhex, Monday, 24 November 2008 03:13 (eleven years ago) link

Did anyone ever get to play that Tank Universal game?

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 27 November 2008 10:51 (eleven years ago) link

I bought it, but I still haven't played it! Shameful, I know. Will get around to it soon.

Right now I'm playing Half-Life :)

Jeff LeVine, Thursday, 27 November 2008 19:43 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

looks like Steam in europe is switching over to local currency, no more taking advantage of weak dollar. boo.

zappi, Friday, 12 December 2008 20:06 (eleven years ago) link

Aquaria is now up on steam...

I tried out the demo a while ago (a year ago?) and thought it was pretty neat. Very relaxing / very nice music / a little confusing. Will probably pick up the full game before the end of the year (it's on discount).

Jeff LeVine, Tuesday, 16 December 2008 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

Big ass sale on Steam. Portal is $5, TF2 is $10, etc.

Vault Boy Bobblehead - Drinking (kingfish), Friday, 26 December 2008 19:35 (eleven years ago) link

woah - some GREAT deals on there...

$2.49 for Trials 2 is the one I highly recommend (I paid $20.00, I think, pre-steam version). A pretty amazing / extremely challenging game, but also very addictive. It's basically a puzzle game on motorcycle - check it out.

Jeff LeVine, Friday, 26 December 2008 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

The sale is nuts - check out the full list of discounts here. Bioshock for $5! And I just picked up TF2 earlier this month during one of the weekend sales. Steam is just insanely tempting all the time.

Is the full Trials 2 significantly different from the flash game? I thought that was okay but not super different from most flash physics sims.

Nhex, Friday, 26 December 2008 22:00 (eleven years ago) link

woah - I'd never seen the flash version of Trials before! It is sort of just like that, in concept, but the graphics in Trial 2 are fully realized, semi-3d, up to 1080p and there are tons more tracks + leaderboards, and you can play it with a joystick, which I think makes it just a tiny bit easier / more natural to control. But damn, it's such a hard, frustrating game (trying out the flash version brought it all back). I still have tons of levels in there I haven't beat - makes me want to go back to it.

From the sale I just picked up Brothers in Arms RtH30, the original Far Cry, Indigo Prophecy and Aquaria all for less than the cost of one new game. Pretty nice! May get a few more things too before the sale ends on the 2nd, though fuck, I'm swamped in games now.

Jeff LeVine, Saturday, 27 December 2008 01:47 (eleven years ago) link

Oh man, I just noticed you can get both Railroad Tycoon II and III for like $7. I loved those games, and my discs for RRT2 had a flaw that wouldn't play any of the music.

Vault Boy Bobblehead - Drinking (kingfish), Saturday, 27 December 2008 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

Any other recommendations? Sale ends today.

Nhex, Thursday, 1 January 2009 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

I really wish trials 2 would come to xbla; that games look great

cozwn, Thursday, 1 January 2009 16:06 (eleven years ago) link

Full X-Com pack for $5 - sale ends today. Wondering if it's worth it just not to have to futz around with DOSbox and the like when I break out UFO Defense every couple of years, but then despite including XCOMUTIL you still have to do some patches (like putting the old screams back in). Sorry in advance if none of you know what I'm talking about, but it's aggravating over the years to figure out ways to get it to work through fan patches again (I even own the Windows Gold/Collector's Edition CD).

Nhex, Sunday, 11 January 2009 20:37 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

Left 4 Dead is $25 this weekend. Pretty good to coincide with the free DLC announcment, fair price, too. I'd probably jump on this sale if I hadn't just bought Retro Game Challenge. I'm still playing TF2 regularly, anyway...

Nhex, Friday, 13 February 2009 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

You know, I keep meaning to ask this, though I'm not sure it really deserves an answer: who are like half the people in the Steam ILG group, anyway?

Nhex, Sunday, 24 May 2009 07:17 (eleven years ago) link

matteus is the only one I don't recognise. maybe it's you! rest are all ilxors, qaopspace is stet i think. i'm the delmot.

So anyway, Plants v. Zombies. Does this game get hard, ever? Am on to stage four and I think I've let two a grand total of two zombies through, pretty much by accident. I have 2000+ sun power left at the end of every game.

man saves ducklings from (ledge), Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:20 (eleven years ago) link

oh i see there's some chat about it on the what's hot 2009 thread. gotta lunch now though!

man saves ducklings from (ledge), Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:30 (eleven years ago) link

qaopspace is me not stet

Ant Attack.. (Ste), Thursday, 4 June 2009 11:39 (eleven years ago) link

lot of deals on Steam right now. i just got Arkham Knight: Premium Edition for $9.99. they are selling Tomb Raider (2013) for $2.99.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 25 June 2018 04:21 (two years ago) link

slay the spire is on sale for $10

Mordy, Monday, 25 June 2018 05:00 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

my steam library just got too overwhelming so i had to organize it into genres. not sure if this'll interest anyone who isn't me but here are the categories i drew up and was mostly able to sort everything. since you can tag games with multiple categories i was able to sort stuff by producers that i like as well as genres, themes and some other notable sorting areas. by the end there were some redundancies that i will probably eventually sort out:

4x, action, adventure, bejeweled-esque, board game, card games, city builder, cyberpunk, double fine, dystopian, fallen london tree, fighter, first-person shooter, horror, interactive fiction, literary, lovecraftian, mcmillen, metroidvania, multiplayer, music, open world, paradox, platformer, political, puzzle, racing, roguelike, rpg, rts, science fiction, shoot 'em up, shooter, simulator, space, sports, steampunk, subset games, supergiant, survival, telltale, total war, tower defense, turn based strategy, unity engine, war game, zombies

Mordy, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:03 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

Thimbleweed Park is the free game on Epic this month. Yes please.

Next month is Slime Rancher, which I've definitely also had my eye on.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 22 February 2019 22:36 (one year ago) link

So disappointed I missed free Axiom Verge! I've had it on my steam list forever and haven't been able to justify the price

Dan I., Saturday, 23 February 2019 09:17 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Xbox Game Pass for PC is now a thing, $1/£1 for the first month then $5/£4 afterwards

list of initial games here
but includes Gears 4, Hellblade, Forza 4, Shenmue 1&2, Crackdown 3, Metro Exodus, Sea of Thieves, Wolfenstein 2 etc

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 9 June 2019 15:52 (one year ago) link

forza horizon 4 definitely worth playing for a month on the cheap if nothing else

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 June 2019 15:54 (one year ago) link

actually looking at the full list that's quite strong, lots of ciderpress-approved games on there

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:21 (one year ago) link

Only catch is having to play games on a PC, which is my nightmare at this point

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:25 (one year ago) link

yeah i mean i've already played a lot of the good games on there and the rest are ones i'd rather have on switch so it's not for me but it's not a ripoff for the price is what i'm getting at

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 June 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

I thought this "Netflix of gaming" thing was what Stadia was going to be, their $10 sub for what, 4k streaming + Destiny 2? seems very lightweight in comparison

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:15 (one year ago) link

google had like 20-30 games in their launch lineup but it wasn't deep on good indie titles like this

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:41 (one year ago) link

yeh but those games were not part of the sub, apart from D2 you have to buy them to play them

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:46 (one year ago) link

oh i thought some of the games were included in the google sub. if the sub is just in place of having to own a pc or console rather than giving you the games then i can't imagine anyone already in the gaming ecosystem choosing google over microsoft for this sort of thing

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:55 (one year ago) link

yeh they are doing different things, but I can't see many people choosing stadia in the short term.
then again I'm installing the new windows 10 update so I can install the xbox app so I can download the games and ... it really is a pain in the ass!

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 9 June 2019 18:59 (one year ago) link

im sure microsoft will get a similar stream to browser window thing off the ground alongside their new xbox

ciderpress, Sunday, 9 June 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Anyone here on Humble Monthly? I'll use a referral link to sign up, want to get in before the price increase.

Nhex, Sunday, 27 October 2019 16:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah worth doing. Here’s mine:

JimD, Sunday, 27 October 2019 17:44 (one year ago) link

(Spyro, Crash and CoD this month make it an easy sell too).

JimD, Sunday, 27 October 2019 17:45 (one year ago) link

It was clever of them to offer an amazing deal right before the change in order to grandfather a ton of people in.

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 27 October 2019 20:43 (one year ago) link

TBH i'm not really interested in any of those games, probably gonna try to sell the codes

Nhex, Sunday, 27 October 2019 22:21 (one year ago) link

anyway i'm back on, cheers Jim

Nhex, Sunday, 27 October 2019 22:22 (one year ago) link

Well yeah, I’m only interested in the sense that I’ve never actually played a spyro or a crash game so feel like I should give them a go. Won’t be playing the CoD though and yeah, hadn’t considered selling off the code, good idea.

JimD, Sunday, 27 October 2019 22:57 (one year ago) link

I joined Xbox on the pc , first month $1, planning to get through as much of outer worlds as possible , not bad

June Pointer’s Valentine’s Day Secret Admirer Note Author (calstars), Thursday, 7 November 2019 00:54 (eleven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Thimbleweed Park is the free game on Epic this month. Yes please.

Next month is Slime Rancher, which I've definitely also had my eye on.

ah missed free Thimbleweed!

Did you get Slime Rancher? I did. I'd categorize it as a glorified clicker game. It's very very addictive, but once you've progressed with everything you're done with it forever (I was anyway)

In space, pizza sends out for YOU (Ste), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 09:51 (ten months ago) link

I did get Slime Rancher. There's not a lot there but it's very pleasant.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 21:23 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Fallout: New Vegas is on sale, so any recommendations for a controller? I don't game on PC much (I usually get woefully underpowered laptops) so I'm not looking for anything high-performance (read: expensive).

Martialarts Ali (Leee), Friday, 20 December 2019 18:22 (ten months ago) link

you might not need one for it! Keyboard/mouse is a great combo for FPS

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 20 December 2019 18:30 (ten months ago) link

if you have a PS4 (or maybe even a PS3), you can use the controller with your computer as well - it'll recognize it

Peaceful Warrior I Poser (Karl Malone), Friday, 20 December 2019 18:30 (ten months ago) link

yeah the ps4 controller and xbox one controller are the best pc gamepads on the market currently, just use one of those if you don't like mouse+keyboard

ciderpress, Friday, 20 December 2019 19:24 (ten months ago) link

12 days of free games on epic game store rn

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 20 December 2019 20:01 (ten months ago) link

used to be a huge gamer but only game i've loved and gotten really into the past few years has been overwatch. (to me it's basically a perfect team shooter.) but overall having some game ennui. it's like with all the capability and choice modern systems can deliver something is just missing for me.

that said, stuff i've (mostly) liked:
- red dead 2- relxaing, pretty. not much of a 'game' at times
- cities skylines- best city sim i've ever played
- witcher 3- very cool, but the depth and detail almost takes the imagination out of an RPG experience
- skyrim- liked when i played it originally, found it fairly flat and dull upon revisiting
- hypnospace outlaw- funny, great concept
- frostpunk- well-done city/strategy game
- superhot- almost an ideal game to me, stresses a unique concept over graphics or lore or scope

medieval total war and age of empires ii were basically my life at one point... AoEII is still probably my favorite game of all time (can't play new remaster because I don't have Windows 10 sadly). a lot of recent strategy games left me really cold (tropico series- way too easy, anno 1800- too much granular logistical detail to the gameplay without the ability to view data or rationale behind it)

i dunno, i guess i gravitate towards 'easy to learn, hard to master' with a distinct aesthetic and good multiplayer. and i think i get bogged down on steam with too many options. i'm also very aware that this is all likely to my getting older and more jaded and not having the time to truly immerse myself. but i've taken so much to overwatch i know there must be something out there that can pique my interest. i love wasting an entire afternoon gaming, i kind of miss it

global tetrahedron, Friday, 20 December 2019 20:02 (ten months ago) link

not to derail, this is a general PC gaming thread so I think my question fits here. i also have a PS4 and thinking about death stranding because from what i can tell at least it's unique if nothing else

global tetrahedron, Friday, 20 December 2019 20:03 (ten months ago) link

im in a similar place w/r/t games, i used to play a lot and now i play like one or two games a year, lots of modern games leave me cold bc the open world/unlimited possibilities of so many games leaves me cold, probably just a function of getting older and not having huge blocks of time to get lost in the immersive world of a game.

that being said i just played the demo of superhot online and it was pretty damn fun, think i might take the plunge on it!

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:29 (ten months ago) link

it's awesome; the VR version is a wonderful time

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 20 December 2019 21:57 (ten months ago) link

i've swapped back to playing single player games almost exclusively since online service-games just seem like a soul-sucking mess now. i was binge-gaming the past couple years but i've slowed my roll now and trying to enjoy fewer things more.

maybe its just the crowd i hang out with but definitely the general feeling that something 'flipped' circa 2017 and we're back to the late 90s/early 00s where most of the warmly received prestige-y games are coming from japan

ciderpress, Friday, 20 December 2019 22:25 (ten months ago) link

i also hate the deluge of DLCs that come out for everything, makes things even more inaccessible. i guess that's just another route for monetization

global tetrahedron, Friday, 20 December 2019 22:43 (ten months ago) link

xp to the controller thing. Just a tip, and something i discovered the other day, if you're switching from xbox to ps4 controller on steam make sure to enable the ps4 controller in the steam controller settings. (and I guess it works the other way too). I was banging my head against the wall when none of my games appeared to recognise the controller.

Ste, Tuesday, 31 December 2019 10:44 (nine months ago) link

Shadow Tactics is really neat to begin with. I haven’t played a Commandos-type isometric stealth game in like 15 years

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 23:45 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

Sadly doesn't look like there will be a Mac port, but maybe I'll get it. I don't think I got even close to the end.

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 06:37 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

And it's up

Nhex, Sunday, 2 August 2020 20:30 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

going to sell my ps4, which means I'll have no controller on the pc. So my question is to fellow pc gamers, what controller do yall use. Anyone recommend a cheap one that won't break within a week and doens't have dodgy analogue sticks?

Not really eager to fork out 60 quid on an official xbox one unless I have to.

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Friday, 25 September 2020 15:52 (one month ago) link

haha, i use a PS4 controller, and i was going to recommend an xbox one otherwise :)

do you have to sell your controller with the PS4? i guess you do, unless you want to ruin some kid's christmas

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 15:57 (one month ago) link

yeah the ps4 and xbox one controllers are the best pc controllers too right now

ciderpress, Friday, 25 September 2020 16:02 (one month ago) link

don't know of anything significantly cheaper than the ps4 one thats not dodgy

ciderpress, Friday, 25 September 2020 16:03 (one month ago) link

okay i'm trying ps3 controller instead, after having installed the driver from third party. so far so good.

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

(but only tried 1 game, when i finish with work i'll give it a thoroough test with gta5 or something)
(of course if it doesn't work with farming sim then all bets are offf)

Two Meter Peter (Ste), Friday, 25 September 2020 16:51 (one month ago) link

I use an Xbox one controller. Previously I used a Logitech F710 controller but Logitech stopped supporting it when Windows 10 came out.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 25 September 2020 23:02 (one month ago) link

xbox 360 controllers can be had for very cheap now and work great with a pc so long as you don't use the d-pad too much

closed beta (NotEnough), Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:17 (one month ago) link

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