After fourteen years of on-and-off play, I finally beat Final Fantasy Tactics last night

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Kinda wondered if i was gonna wake up this morning or not

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:21 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzIOO065L4k

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:22 (nine years ago) link

such a great fukken game despite its flaws

now you need to try a single class challenge

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:22 (nine years ago) link

actually, i threw in ogre battle like immediately

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:23 (nine years ago) link

seriously though, i've been playing this game for FOURTEEN YEARS
i could've raised a child instead

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:24 (nine years ago) link

lol ogre battle...

xmas of the year this came out i spent abt three days holed up at my mom's house doing nothing but ordering take out & playing this game. i only left the house to take the dog for a run twice a day & spoke to no1 but delivery men. i think i ended up getting all the way to chapter four but failed to level the right job classes & couldnt get past one of the minor story battles - maybe the one on a hill w/ all the thieves/ninjas? idk

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:30 (nine years ago) link

ogre battle is next to impossible

jay lenonononono (abanana), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:35 (nine years ago) link

my second (third?) time through with final fantasy tactics, i spent pretty much a whole summer leveling in a dark room with stankonia and soul food playing in the background
i don't know why i never tried playing with the sword tactic special player one hit kill guys. that shit powered me to the end of the game in no time

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:37 (nine years ago) link

it's the worst when you play these kind of games and after twenty three hours you realize you've been doing it wrong and you can either start over or commit to twelve hours of single player grinding and you end up putting them away with tears in yer widdle eyes

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:38 (nine years ago) link

yeah my first run through the game i quit in frustration because i realized putting all those job points into chemist & archer werent really paying off. also i had thought that i might need to beat the game in as few days as i could [via ogre battle lol!] so i only fought random battles if they happened while i was moving btw story battles and i was p low levelled

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:45 (nine years ago) link

you playing the old ogre battle or the new psp tactics ogre? the new one is totes beatable, i did it!

Alderaan Duran (Will M.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:46 (nine years ago) link

psp

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:46 (nine years ago) link

Congrats man! I never reached that undiscovered country of completing FFT, despite trying so many times over so many years, kudos.

Nhex, Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:48 (nine years ago) link

snes ogre battle is beatable but i tried playing a 'perfect game' three or so years ago & even using an faq it is p much impossible

funperson (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:49 (nine years ago) link

Never got more than 5 maps into Ogre Battle myself

Nhex, Thursday, 12 May 2011 23:55 (nine years ago) link

haha i totally feel you on this one forks. i spent years revisiting this w/o ever beating it until a year or two ago. despite that i considered it the greatest game ever for a considerable amount of time.

ive been playing ogre battle: march of the black queen recently - its pretty weird

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 15:00 (nine years ago) link

tbf, what i'm taking on is not ogre battle (which i played about five levels of in japanese on my thai roommates disk-playing snes in college) but the new psp tactics ogre which appears to be a really cleaned up, story heavy step ahead from FFT

fftactics is like top five or ten all time game for me.

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 15:59 (nine years ago) link

btw "that shit powered me to the end of the game in no time" means i logged 57 hours on this particular go round.
i would say, conservatively, that i've logged around a total of 180 hours on FFT

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:00 (nine years ago) link

for people playing this game: ignore the archer class. totally useless.
never did figure out what the hell an onion knight was.

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:01 (nine years ago) link

I'd congratulate you on achieving this epic milestone but I haven't yet forgiven you for mistaking me for LJ.

Confused Turtle (Zora), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:03 (nine years ago) link

when did i do that? it woulda been in jest.

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:04 (nine years ago) link

FFT is a top 3 game for me, though I haven't played it in years. You know you love a game when you genuinely enjoy the menu/map music

Z S, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:05 (nine years ago) link

sad true story: i still have a save file where i used the level up/level down trick to create a 'perfect' character. that alone probably took me like 30 hours...

best class: one of the special knight classes or ninja
worst class: yeah probably archer although bard/dancer are p shitty
most underrated class in the game: oracle
favourite class: time mage. i like their hats

Lamp, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:07 (nine years ago) link

the music is all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzFooLMKYn0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUSPiYngFWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f49JZ9v79iM

i'm pretty impressed that you made a "perfect" character; i tried several times and hit the leveling wall

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:12 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Ukp3fKEnc
lol nerds:
This moment of the game couldn't help but atleast crack you a bit. the music hits you showing that they are going through a traumatic time and they have no other feeling but sadness, anger, or regret. Malakk and rafa, Miluda and Weigraff. Those are just simply the types that you know have a relationship that shouldn't break so easily.
Polomance862 3 months ago

My heart burns and my eyes cry.I have no command over them when I listen to this music.Something mystical very sad is embedded in this music.
ne0eagle 4 months ago 2

Very True it is sad but their is so much beauty
Garnets42 5 months ago 2

How did they do it, capture such sadness into one song!? Genius, pure genius!
ReticentIndignation 5 months ago 2

beefaroni merchant, part-time fish tank bitch. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:19 (nine years ago) link

Very True

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:20 (nine years ago) link

worst class: yeah probably archer although bard/dancer are p shitty

'team of bards/dancers' can be a very fun way to power through random encounters

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:33 (nine years ago) link

i wish this had a New Game+ so i could play it again without putting hundreds of hours into perfecting all my dudes again

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:35 (nine years ago) link

back when there was a psn this was on it, right? assuming it comes back, will this stand up without the support of nostalgia? i have always been intrigued.

Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:41 (nine years ago) link

as a game it's unbelievably broken, but still somehow really fun - i dont know how it manages that. idk if the psn version retains the awful old localization, but it was pretty famous for being poorly translated back in the day (and again, somehow its still fascinating & awesome).

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 16:44 (nine years ago) link

psp version is WONDERFULLY translated, brilliantly localized and actually makes the story sorta worth following!

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:57 (nine years ago) link

quite frankly, you can get the psp for 120 and fftpsp for 15 bucks used; figure like three bucks an hour for what you put into it. totally worth it.

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 16:58 (nine years ago) link

'team of bards/dancers' can be a very fun way to power through random encounters

i remember finding them ok @ controlling the flow of a battle (really one of the most impt things in fft) but tedious to use, mostly. why did you like using them?

rs - its a good game. i think part of what makes so many ppl love it is that i did come along when most na gamers were starved for sprgs so it seemed for unique/good than it actually was, but its still a really great game. its broken but also deep & it offers a variety of challenges for both an xp'd and a novice. also i do think it was one of the best rpg stories of any game of its era imo

Lamp, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:01 (nine years ago) link

playing it as a "walking around" game changes the grinding considerably btw.
when you turn off the psp, it's like you've paused the game. turning it back on resumes immediately right where you were, so there's no real issue with grabbing five minute play sessions. that innovation alone made this playthrough much more fun than some past grinds.

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:04 (nine years ago) link

haha its p sad how happy i am to be talking abt fft!!! i have to exert real willpower to avoid a v long post abt how great the oracle classs is & what the best passive abilities are...

Lamp, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:10 (nine years ago) link

i ended up levelling everybody's chemist all the way early and then always making item the secondary skill so everybody can phoenix down or remedy or whatever
then lifefont for movement and instapotion and then got rid of all potions but xpotions so guys are basically healing full after every hit.
levelled everybody up all the way through black mage, geomancer, monk, most of them through geomancer

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:14 (nine years ago) link

u r among like souls lamp, let it out........

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:15 (nine years ago) link

please make the big oracle post lamp

also i do think it was one of the best rpg stories of any game of its era imo

― Lamp, Friday, May 13, 2011 1:01 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

story-wise i dont think any RPG has ever hit all the right notes for me like this one did

maybe Deus Ex or the first Fallout - certainly no other JRPG

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:17 (nine years ago) link

i remember finding them ok @ controlling the flow of a battle (really one of the most impt things in fft) but tedious to use, mostly. why did you like using them?

i just found it funny that you could basically leave a battle on autopilot thanks to them - there were also a few funny times where i ended up barely scraping through a tough battle because i had a dancer tucked in a corner doing the HP damage dance or the random status dance

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:19 (nine years ago) link

this shit right here is my jam forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGdeHJKicmc

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:29 (nine years ago) link

This song is just too beautiful. Makes me think of drizzle gently falling on green fields, while kid-looking humans and magical creatures fight for survival.
tribilyan 1 year ago 26
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it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:31 (nine years ago) link

Imagine living in the ff tactics world. I would be a no nonsense rogue knight who wants to beat the crap out of the royal families and nobles with badass music
WillC 5 months ago

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 17:35 (nine years ago) link

this is my jam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azKaZUfPOJ4

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:53 (nine years ago) link

haha lol @ me. the thing about oracles is that they have the best melee stats of the mage classes (iirc?) & their status-altering abilities are probably the most useful @ controlling the flow of battle & at isloating and sidelining enemies so you can stat-boost/jp milk/steal items/learn spells w/e reason you might want to prolong & manipulate an encounter.

also the combo of praise/doubt faith always you to mitigate the low base success rate of your more powerful spells, minor spells like blind & sleep are both long-lasting & effective, most of your powerful equipment can be stolen/obtained from drops early & you have a v useful built-in MP recovery system in both the drain spells & move MP up.

obv a time mage w/ math skill secondary & good spell book can break the game so hard but taking the time to master calculator is boring. in the same way you can build ninja/monk characters that are basically unbeatable but they have a hard time controlling the battle if you want to do anything other than win. oracles are both easy to master & versatile to use making them the best support class & one of the most interesting & fun to use imo

Lamp, Friday, 13 May 2011 17:54 (nine years ago) link

mediator's better b/c the sleep spell is called "Mimic Daravon"

Princess TamTam, Friday, 13 May 2011 18:01 (nine years ago) link

the most obscure of in-geek nerd jokes

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 May 2011 18:02 (nine years ago) link

never did figure out what the hell an onion knight was.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110109162822/finalfantasy/images/1/1a/FF3-NES-OnionKnight.PNG

hillybilly death worship (absolutely clean glasses), Friday, 13 May 2011 18:04 (nine years ago) link

thought for just a sec that surfing was LJ

― And thusly create the illusion of babby (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:00 (2 weeks ago)

ha!

Confused Turtle (Zora), Friday, 13 May 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

did they rename mime onion knight in the psp port? or squire?

*crosses arms* the oracle's sleep spell has a better range & success rate

Lamp, Friday, 13 May 2011 18:05 (nine years ago) link

i got all of cloud's moves. he's middling (in the original at least).

jay lenonononono (abanana), Saturday, 14 May 2011 22:57 (nine years ago) link

cloud's high level moves take too long to charge to be of any real use

Princess TamTam, Saturday, 14 May 2011 23:35 (nine years ago) link

xxp Who's Luso?

Nhex, Sunday, 15 May 2011 02:01 (nine years ago) link

the worst thing abt cloud was that you got him too late in the game to really make much of an impact, even if you mastered the soldier class you certainly had much better options @ that point. i mean hes not really intended to be a big help, its more of an easter egg i guess

decided to start a scc game w/ chemists just because its one of the classes that i rarely put much time or thought into its going p well.

Lamp, Sunday, 15 May 2011 05:54 (nine years ago) link

Lusio = main character of FF Tactics A2, I think, or maybe A1/Advance. He's actually kind of decent in FFT PSP too. I forget why though. Hunting maybe?

Alderaan Duran (Will M.), Sunday, 15 May 2011 06:55 (nine years ago) link

and xp -- once you get guns chemist scc doesn't seen so bad

Alderaan Duran (Will M.), Sunday, 15 May 2011 06:55 (nine years ago) link

Secondary black mage and you should be fine

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 16:58 (nine years ago) link

I started playing this again but only because I got about twelve hours in to the new Tactics Ogre and realized I was better off playing FFT. The new TO is, however, gorgeous and it plays so smoothly. When you install the game to your memory card you will only hear the disc drive chirp when it initially loads the game. After that your PSP will be silent, and your battery life will will give you more hours than FFT. But, at least at the point I'm at, there is little actual customization of characters. They're all virtually identical, except for the dude with the wings who is just so much better than everybody else. The level design is also very flat and too spacious. So many times in FFT you have to confront someone who's shooting at you from the top of a windmill or a knight who's standing strong in a doorway or a mage that's raising hell from behind some crates.

I like this thread. I've been playing FFT for almost thirtteen years, dutifully coming back to it every year so, but have never finished it. I will probably never finish it.

fields of salmon, Sunday, 15 May 2011 18:22 (nine years ago) link

five maxed Chemist/black mages with good guns and reflect magic should be able to get off three kills every round and heal/resurrect any fallen; i think you could breeze through the game pretty easily (if tediously) that way.

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 18:32 (nine years ago) link

once you get past the first ten hours of course

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 18:32 (nine years ago) link

You can install TO to memory from disk? How many games have this functionality?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 15 May 2011 19:06 (nine years ago) link

five maxed Chemist/black mages with good guns and reflect magic should be able to get off three kills every round and heal/resurrect any fallen; i think you could breeze through the game pretty easily (if tediously) that way.

w/ the scc you cant use any secondary abilities but yeah, its been easy enough so far, if boring. once i realized you cld 100% one shot kill any undead the only real challenge has been putting gil into potions/phoenix downs

one thing that id forgotten is how good the maps are in this game & how many small details play into things e.g. physical attack % being lower in the dark, rain enhancing lightning elemental spells

Lamp, Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:19 (nine years ago) link

chemist seems like a boring scc because of the high survivability

public anime #1 (Princess TamTam), Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:29 (nine years ago) link

ohhhh no secondary huh.
yeah still should be doable but man that is gonna be tedious after awhile

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:38 (nine years ago) link

fwiw, i lost nobody on my team on my last playthru
i never ever lose team members when i play; i'll reset the game if somebody dies
i'm normally not like that with games but FFTactics brings out the motherhen squad commander in me

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:39 (nine years ago) link

You can install TO to memory from disk? How many games have this functionality?

It's the first I've seen... oddly this feature is arriving at the very end of the PSP's life. Took up practically all the free space on my memory card, but like I said above, the game runs smoooooth.

fields of salmon, Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:42 (nine years ago) link

yeah i chose chemist cuz its a class i hadnt really used them much in any of my previous playthroughs & hadnt thought much abt how best to use them. even w/ the terrible stat grown i still have yet to lose a battle

Lamp, Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:47 (nine years ago) link

you can install with Valkyria

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:54 (nine years ago) link

in fact you have to

it is sad but their is so much beauty (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 May 2011 20:54 (nine years ago) link

picked up TO used from Gamestop. Complicated.

Has gotten me to play Jeanne D'Arc again, a game I got the day I bought this thing just b/c Level-5 worked on it.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 24 May 2011 04:06 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

fft coming out for iphone/ipod tooch

El Tomboto, Friday, 10 June 2011 23:44 (nine years ago) link

uhoh

just malorted a little bit in my mouth (jjjusten), Friday, 10 June 2011 23:45 (nine years ago) link

WHY CANT WE JUST HAVE A NEW TRPG MASTERPIECE I MEAN THIS ONES GOOD BUT I HAVE PLAYED IT A BUNCH OF TIMES MAKE A GAME THATS BASICALLY THE SAME BUT DIFFERENT ENOUGH SO THAT ITS NOT LITERALLY THE SAME PLZ DR SQUARE

Sincerely,

Will M.

Alderaan Duran (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2011 23:56 (nine years ago) link

But I just got this emulated on my handheld

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 11 June 2011 01:27 (nine years ago) link

Will otm

Z S, Saturday, 11 June 2011 13:42 (nine years ago) link

What about Disgaea? That seemed to get a lotta hype

Nhex, Saturday, 11 June 2011 14:03 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

Ok, the iphone version's out. I've never played any version of this before. I should buy it, right? I mean, I keep going into the app store, and hovering over the buy button, but...£10.99 feels so steep for such an old game.

JimD, Monday, 15 August 2011 14:42 (nine years ago) link

the reviews have not been kind; apparently it's a very sloppy port.

I'm a nerd and nerdy things happened (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 August 2011 16:24 (nine years ago) link

Huh. Ok, at the very least I'll wait for a sale then.

JimD, Monday, 15 August 2011 19:45 (nine years ago) link

this is one of my favourite threads

thomp, Tuesday, 16 August 2011 09:44 (eight years ago) link

is level 49 about right for your main character at the beginning of chapter three?

it is a nine-dimensional exposure-based ** "fairy" faction (los blue jeans), Wednesday, 17 August 2011 00:15 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTbtl8_5agM

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 12 February 2012 13:11 (eight years ago) link

that's definitely a thing that someone did

desperado, rough rider (thomp), Sunday, 12 February 2012 13:40 (eight years ago) link

4 more years

Alderaan Duran (Will M.), Sunday, 12 February 2012 19:15 (eight years ago) link

two years pass...

there are so many great little details about this game that dont ever end up mattering at all

≖_≖ (Lamp), Thursday, 6 November 2014 05:08 (five years ago) link

anyway i am playing this game again and really enjoying it, theres just so much stuff and somehow most of the battles are genuinely interesting to fight despite my having put like thousands of hours of my life into playing this game and understanding how it works

≖_≖ (Lamp), Thursday, 6 November 2014 05:10 (five years ago) link

shocked they haven't made an FFT2 yet.

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 November 2014 16:07 (five years ago) link

favourite class: time mage. i like their hats

this comment traveled thru time from 3 years ago to be super OTM right now

i missed this thread :)

Neckbread (Will M.), Thursday, 6 November 2014 16:24 (five years ago) link

Haste and Slow opened my eyes to the idea of "power scaling" in gaming in general. As an 18- or 19-year old I expected each successive class unlock to present progressively bloodier and higher-damage skill and spell options. It felt like Time Mage took ages to unlock and was kind of pathetic,

it was only much later when I realized that there's a reason they don't give you Time Mage right away and make you work for it.

fields of salmon, Friday, 7 November 2014 08:53 (five years ago) link

secret hunt is the most busted ability in the game?

≖_≖ (Lamp), Saturday, 8 November 2014 19:04 (five years ago) link

shocked they haven't made an FFT2 yet.

they have! but they're for GBA/DS. i played the first one (Final Fantasy Tactics Advance) and it's fun but suffers in comparison to the original. they added a Judge system which is sometimes fun but mostly annoying. and the story (disclosure: i only played through about 12 hours or so) was pretty mediocre.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 November 2014 19:17 (five years ago) link

oh, duh, i'm sure you know about those. i guess you mean a sequel that takes place during the Lion War and isn't about daydreaming schoolchildren?

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 November 2014 19:27 (five years ago) link

i liked the first ds fft but it doesnt have the same depth as the psx game

rn i am fighting the urge to manage my level advancement to maximize stat growth because i really dont want to fall down that rabbithole

≖_≖ (Lamp), Saturday, 8 November 2014 19:49 (five years ago) link

i thought the setup of the gba one was really affecting

it sort of felt arbitrary and failed to compel once it got to landmarks on maps, though, a bit like legend of mana

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 8 November 2014 21:28 (five years ago) link

yeah, i tried ffta and it's not really much of a game. but maybe i should go back to it?

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 9 November 2014 17:40 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

1997 Developer Interview, originally featured in Famicon Tsuushin magazine, newly translated:

http://shmuplations.com/fft/

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, 16 July 2016 15:45 (four years ago) link

nice
i should play disgaea

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 18 July 2016 16:55 (four years ago) link

disgaea is extremely anime voice but the way it encourages experimentation and exploits is sui generis and great. i haven't played since the PS2 but i've heard the recent PC port isn't great.

adam, Monday, 18 July 2016 17:16 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

also the tactics ost is on spotify now so i'm playing that

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 27 July 2020 15:23 (two weeks ago) link


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