The official DEUS EX thread

...and the original has a famously slow start. It was probably worth playing for an hour before quitting. I can't imagine playing it now tho.

actually the original is kinda famous for how awesome that first level is...

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqvcmmjvW31r2ni29o1_500.gif

this is kinda good? i'm into it. got most of the way through it before figuring out i kinda hated my build and started over.

i am choosing the appreciate the bad combat mechanics as an incentive to play it as a stealth game, which is more fun anyway.

and like most marquee title 'thinky' games it is just above being totally stupid.

the guy who v/o'd your boss is way bad

my favorite bit is playing as sort-of pacifist but rewiring turrets to gun everybody down. i carried one of those things around a whole map once.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r4XM-sDJt8

yeah it took me a while, playing this w expectations created by the robustness of the first one, to notice that literally all the environments are carefully constructed so that you can stealthily tuck-and-roll from one piece of cover to another, and that that's what you're supposed to do. goole otm about hacking turrets being the most satisfying thing in here. i wish the boss fights had turrets.

AI curiously uninterested in rooms with computers in them right after a turret goes haywaire

ai curiously uninterested in an awful lot

still better than Invisible War, which was a relief to me

invisible war actually probably has a better plot, but nobody noticed because the game is so completely terrible and has no atmosphere. the atmosphere in this one goes a loooooooooooooong way.

one of the minor things that disappoints me about this one is that it sets up this whole lovingly art-directed corporate-dystopia near future, and then every single person in the game is monomaniacally obsessed with "augmentation". like, there are no other issues. disappointing after dx1's premise of "every conspiracy theory ever is simultaneously true except the roswell greys are bioengineered".

which in itself was kind of a great meta-joke. you get to area 51 and the game's like haha of course there aren't ALIENS here, that would be RIDICULOUS.

this is kinda good? i'm into it. got most of the way through it before figuring out i kinda hated my build and started over.

i am choosing the appreciate the bad combat mechanics as an incentive to play it as a stealth game, which is more fun anyway.

― goole, Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:42 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and like most marquee title 'thinky' games it is just above being totally stupid.

the guy who v/o'd your boss is way bad

my favorite bit is playing as sort-of pacifist but rewiring turrets to gun everybody down. i carried one of those things around a whole map once.

― goole, Tuesday, July 23, 2013 2:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

oh you mean human revolution. smh at saying you're playing 'this' in a thread for the original game

one of the minor things that disappoints me about this one is that it sets up this whole lovingly art-directed corporate-dystopia near future, and then every single person in the game is monomaniacally obsessed with "augmentation". like, there are no other issues. disappointing after dx1's premise of "every conspiracy theory ever is simultaneously true except the roswell greys are bioengineered".

― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:54 PM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which in itself was kind of a great meta-joke. you get to area 51 and the game's like haha of course there aren't ALIENS here, that would be RIDICULOUS.

― one yankee sympathizer masquerading as a historian (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:54 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol otm

oh don't get all old timey pc gamer on me

the guy who voices sarif is one of the best things about dxhr btw! he sounds like will arnett

oh don't get all old timey pc gamer on me

― goole, Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:51 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark

it was just confusing, mate. i dont know why you'd make no attempt to identify what you were playing

the whole last year of the thread is talking about HR! sorry m8

anyway, cool game. weirdly, it's got some big problems, sort of one-trick in its gameplay, and isn't exactly 'exciting', but still engrosses. i think cos the quests take some time to finish, maybe? somewhat mysterious

i think i just enjoy progessing through office buildings stealthily

my second playthrough of dxhr was a lot less rewarding than the first. but the first time was pretty good. not something i'll revisit again (unlike og DX) but i respect the job they did

the guy who voices sarif is one of the best things about dxhr btw! he sounds like will arnett

― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:51 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think he sounds like fred armisen in the californians

lol

plus your main guy always reminds me of tina fey doing 'talking like this contest'

i think i just enjoy progessing through office buildings stealthily

me too, i would be fine if there weren't any soldiers or guards, just people working at their computers and having meetings.

and you were just trying to go to lunch without being seen.

GANKED JENNY'S CHOBANI (200XP)

lollllll

i still haven't finished HR because i got to the final or near-final boss fight and VAGUE SPOILERS i have to fight it without using augs, because i Made A Mistake several hours back that it only occurred to me was probably a mistake after i'd overwritten my most recent save and i didn't want the hassle of going all the way back to a previous one, and now this boss fight is even less fun than the other ones. i actually feel really stupid about this mistake. i wouldn't have made it in real life but i was in that video game mode (well-exploited by bioshock 1) where you just do whatever anybody tells you no matter who they are. be careful goole.

what was your mistake? i can't remember what it could have been.

you're told to go to a clinic to have your chips refitted along w everyone else suffering from strange shutdowns. but obv it's a Plot.

lol i did that, figured it would be ~plotty~ but didn't get to the twist i guess

the momentary unexplained glitches in your hud leading up that point were pretty cool tho

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-16-ion-storms-lost-deus-ex-sequels

rich people don't get grey death. like that billionaire bob page-- he don't have it. the president don't have it. i ain't never seen a movie star who got it. YOU DON'T HAVE IT!

i must greet each visitor with a complete summary of his file. i am a prototype for a much larger system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He09JaBVZdE

never forget

I'm a primitive feces-slinging rube 2

i'm a primitive feces-slinging rube 2: invisible war

from jacob's shadow, the invitation to love-esque pulp novel you find lying around all over the world in deus ex (2000)--specifically, chapter 20, the first section you read after going rogue from the united nations and losing your brother, paul, who'd urged you at every encounter through the first half of the game, including in transmissions via the "microreceiver exostructure" embedded in your brain, to avoid killing enemies ("remember that we're police"), probably leading you-the-gamer to believe there would be some sort of mechanical punishment from the game for killing people, which there isn't:

"You ever wonder about morals?" he said. Jacob shook his head. "I do, all the damn time... I wonder what it means to be good -- if there's some tally that says 'you only hurt ten people, so come on up, but eleven and you're going straight to hell.' Then I think maybe it's a little voice that tells you, way back in your head. And then I wonder what happens when that voice goes away."

suck it bioshock (2007)

no 'ronald reagan wrote about america as a city on a hill' introduction tho right

― thomp, Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:47 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this post and the one where abanana thought you had to kill the guy at the beginning have been making me ia for years. the guy who quotes reagan (they puckishly credit it to thomas aquinas, instead of to reagan or winthrop or yknow that other guy) literally just got done saying "let the bodies pile up in the streets."

i'm sorry to have caused you so much difficulty ):

--the poll options in this thread have made me laugh p much every time it's been revived. classic tamtam

--i played the one i was agonizing about whether to buy upthread and hate hate hated it, and that experience has made me look back on the first game way more positively, so, er, yeah.

--the joke in my post is that they got the credit wrong, not that invoking that line is in and of itself bad. i'm not convinced that it's meant to be the character's error and not just a boner on the part of one of the writers--idk, i am totally uncertain about what aspects of this game's narrative are deliberately off and screwy

--one weird thing about deus ex (o.g.) is that when i visited the statue of liberty i was like 'okay, so the fallen head's gonna be here ...' : i mean, it totally succeeded, and succeeds in memory, whenever i see a picture of that island, of infringing upon my idea of the real world space. all the spaces in it feel both convincingly 'real' and successfully 'designed', as far as i can remember, and the number of games that do that is yeah, pretty fn small

i meant the i part of the ia!

i'm not convinced that it's meant to be the character's error and not just a boner on the part of one of the writers--idk, i am totally uncertain about what aspects of this game's narrative are deliberately off and screwy

yeah this is true of much of the game, e.g. the voice acting, which in places is just alien--even certain optional plot points or abilities feel uncannily like bugs/exploits, but cannot be

had same experience at irl statue of liberty (and battery park). playing it even now is incredibly immersive; they feel like totally real places even when you are kind of layering a real-looking place in your mind atop the unreal engine 1 images you are actually seeing. i like moving around at walking speed. also i like taking showers at certain points where i think jc might take a shower. when paul's in his living room crippled by nanovirus i click on him so that he starts a long monologue about how consortiums of bankers have always sought world government and then i walk into the bathroom and get into the shower so i can't hear him.

haha i am kinda tempted to play this. does steam have a workable modern version? does gog?

which is the better game, this or ultima vii

I got the game from Steam a couple of years ago and it worked fine on my Win7 PC. Deus Ex is definitely the better game unless maybe you're a huge Ultima series fan.

both gog and steam do yeah; i recommend gog cuz no drm and you don't have to run steam in the background. also install this to make the environment textures look better. (probably the only mod you need; there's one that adds a handful of hi-res character models but the resulting inconsistency between new and old models is hideous; there's one called "shifter" that changes all kinds of little things that ultimately i didn't like because it tended to deluge you with xp and i am attached to the original game's stinginess.)

this is better than ultima vii i think? the scope of actions is much narrower (no baking bread etc) but can feel wider because actions tend to have effects, prevent other actions, etc. i also think it is a better game than metal gear solid, but maybe you were taking that as given by asking about ultima vii.

i guess you don't have to run steam in the background with the steam version either, actually; you can prob just run the executable. steam is weird and inconsistent with this stuff tho. anyway i own both versions for some fucking reason and they both run fine.

Started playing on Steam, seems fine.

But can't get past the stealth part in the training session!

not sure i've played the training session since i was 13 (even tho it has plotty stuff! i think bob page shows up in a secret room) but my main sneaking advice is to not forget the Q and E "lean" buttons, for poking your head out from behind cover a moment. weirdly i find the unadorned 90s-fps-style cover controls of this game (find an object and hold down crouch, use lean to glance around the object) more engaging+mimetic than modern "cover systems", where entire sequences of actions (exit cover, move right, roll, enter cover) are mapped to a single push of a button that normally does any number of totally unrelated things but is contextually responding to your status as In Cover. this usually gets called "elegant" and of course it is, from the perspective of someone playing a video game. dx is clunky and uncomfortable in comparison but it puts me consistently in the perspective of someone operating a body.

(my experience operating a body has been clunky and uncomfortable.)