NINTENDO 3DS

according to GAF nintendo have announced a new 3D handheld to be revealed at E3 and will be out by March 2011

3D without using the glasses sounds interesting
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/100323.pdf&sl=ja&tl=en

sic transit gloria DS

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virtual boy DS

so how will it differ from this then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5QSclrIdlE&feature=player_embedded

can't believe kevin butler didn't give us the drop on this last week

praying for 3D DOT HEROES port

Weird. I wonder how this 3D would work gamewise on a handheld. It's one thing when you're sitting still in a theater looking at a screen, but on a small mobile device - I'm just having a hard time picturing what kind of experiences it would offer and how good it could possibly work. Will be interesting to see (supposedly I'll be spending a day at E3 this year, so hopefully they'll be demoing something). Even though the PR comes from the main Nintendo site, a part of me wonders if it's just bullshit to make Sony shit all over themselves and freak out over their psp2 plans.

Seems like Nintendo of America wouldn't be pleased that the same week they're finally launching the XL in NA, Nintendo of Japan announces they are going to announce the DS successor.

if it's all backward compatible, I can't bitch.

http://img.files-ds-scene.net/news3/n3ds_famicom_flyer_parody_by_triforce.jpg

one eye on the left screen, on eye on the right screen

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/nintendo-3ds-to-come-with-3d-control-stick-vibration-and-sha/

yeh its backwards compatible. glad i never got round to buying a DSi now.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2im5kjn.jpg

I'm still very doubtful of 3D gaming (especially on a handheld) being anything other than a useless gimmick. I'm definitely interested to see what they're doing and how it's going to work, but I'm feeling really skeptical. I guess my main worry is that whatever they do will end up being especially hard on the eyes. I already find it hard to look at a small DS or PSP screen for extended amounts of time and adding in effects that are tricking your eyes seems like it might make headaches come even faster...

according to unconfirmed reports the 3D in the screen can be turned off, so not every game will have to incorporate it. the same reports seem to suggest that the two screens will pretty much join up and the graphics will be bumped up to gamecube levels, both of which will be much more useful in the long run. its all guesswork at this point though - nintendo have said its going to be playable at E3 so we only have to wait 3 months to find out.

PortaWii

I have an eye condition and can't do 3D. (tho maybe this DS will work since I don't need the glasses?)

but yeah, hate this weird 3D resurgence so much.

Me too, Alan. 3D makes me physically ill.

http://www.toastyfrog.com/verbalspew/archives/entry_1608.php

that is a pretty nice color tho

so is this 3DS thing just layers of screens?

2 layers at that... jesus depth in 2 layers

I like everything about it except that you can only look at it from one angle. Wld much rather have a DSi XL than this for that very reason.

you can turn off the 3D easily, though, so no probs

Yep, little worried about this:

The screen has a terrible, terrible angle of viewing

The elephant in the room, and the reason Nintendo was adamant that no one film 3DS games directly off the screen. This is going to be the system's make-or-break issue. The trick to the 3DS's visualization technology is that it (apparently) layers two screens one on top of the other. When you look at it straight-on, it looks like 3D! But tilt the machine even just a couple of degrees from dead-on and suddenly the illusion shatters and what you see is two ghost images rather than a single unified "solid." Look at it from a side-on, over-the-shoulder perspective and it's even worse. In a sense, the 3DS is the conceptual opposite of the DSi XL; the latter was purportedly designed to be a system that encourages people to gather round a single system and watch, but try doing that with the former and everyone's going to see something very ugly unless the depth slider is set to "off." More crucially, though, the 3DS's visual effect can break even for the person using the system if they don't hold it very, very carefully. I found that the natural movement of my hands and head during a fast-paced action game like Starfox 64 caused the system to move out of alignment for me. I wonder what impact this will have for long-term play; if you have to hold the system very carefully at a precise angle, it's going to become very tiring very quickly... to say nothing of the fact that the games which stand to benefit most from 3D visualization are the ones most likely to cause you to get you into the action and let your angle of viewing drift.

Still, I'm pretty pumped about the 3DS

It occurred to me that this reaction (while very sober and reasonable) is probably the most negative hands-on I've read about the 3DS. I have this suspicion that due to the press' tepid reaction to the original DS and opposite predictions for the PSP (as Parish mentions), perhaps the journalists would rather praise it now rather than looking foolish later (as it'll be easy enough to trash if it releases badly which is pretty unlikely) - but for now they're hesistant to point out shortcomings. Though of course, there's also the reason that Nintendo is strictly claiming that the system's far from finalized, in both hardware and software.

Also it's possible that there'll be a lot of launch titles that overuse or badly use the 3D (like the touch screen in the first gen DS games) and that'll change over time as developers get more used to it.

don't think i've ever thrown my head about when playing a handheld game, so i can't imagine that being a problem. more worried about me being lefthanded & there being games that use a analog nub + stylus in right hand control system (although if you can use a finger maybe it would be like dual analog?).

So it's like a holographic baseball card?

I am gleefully rubbing my hands together about how "The World Ends With You!" could run with an extra level of 3D! I am now hardwired into the two screens at a time battling system and could do with an extra challenge. Come on Squenix!! I dare you!

(Sadly this is speculation, I don't think they'll do a sequel, never mind a megabastard 3d sequel - oh but they *should*!)

3DS Dated for February 26, priced 25,000 yen

25,000.00 JPY = 298.703 USD !!!!

more details here, if you can get it to load...
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/09/29/nintendo_conf_live_blog/

300 would make this a not-day-one purchase for me.
basically anything above 200 for any handheld is outta my range.

yeah, that's quite a lot! I mean, more than a 360 or a ps3 - kind of mind boggling (even if they get it down to $250 in NA). Depends on the games for me, but I'm not really interested in 3D effects or a gameboy virtual console, they're going to have to be something really special & special isn't more Mario Kart and Zelda remakes and Animal Crossing again.

also with new iPad refresh (and price drop?) coming out around then - that's where I'm looking to spend some money, I think

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n10/conference2010/3ds/lineupMovHigh.html

also with the psp2 being announced soon

yikes, well that price has killed my launch day boner. will wait for inevitable hardware revision & price cut instead.

isnt everything way more expensive in japan?

shocked at the price but still do want

i think it sounds terrible

never mind, psp2 incoming

well that price has killed my launch day boner

wow, guess I was mad rong about the price. apparently the DSi XL launched at a way higher price than the US version so all I can do is hold out hope for that to happen again, but even so it'll still probably be priced like the PSP GO.

the software looks sick as hell though. also Virtual Console for GB/GBA games finally confirmed! (even though I only really give a shit about getting Link's Awakening)

yeh but it doesn't look like they've done anything about their online structure ie. purchases tied to the hardware, so if your handheld breaks you lose your digital downloads.

holy shit, LAYTON PHOENIX WRIGHT CROSSOVER!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gufhYicCUs4

ALSO WANT THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ebK-dEt3k

infinite OMG at Phoenix Wright x Layton

level 10

Phoenix Wright + Layton! And they brought Maya back, it looks like...

I bought a 3DS grip and while I feel somewhat silly playing what appears to be a batarang in public it's worth it simply because of how much more comfortable the system is to hold & use with a grip in the mix. make sure you get one that will fit your system; not all grips are created equal

+1 for Rhythm Heaven Compilation; people on SA who imported it said there's a story you have to slog through, but I have faith that they'll do the localization proud. also stoked for SNES VC games to be released, particularly Earthbound and LTTP which I believe I get for cheaper since I had already bought both on Wii U? who knows. the idea of having to continue to buy these old ROMs is infuriating and insulting but I will keep doing it if only to signal to Nintendo that they should definitely keep cranking out ports like this; we might even get Mario RPG.

in other news, HNNNNNG: http://www.polygon.com/2016/3/3/11158320/super-famicom-nintendo-3ds-limited-edition

I'm perfectly happy with my New XL, but every time I see those colored XYBA buttons I get a burning urge to get one of those. that's a piece of consumer electronics with hellacious visual appeal. apparently the non-XL is only available as part of bundles so I'd have to get ANOTHER 3DS and go through the whole system transfer rigamarole. but damn some of these faceplates look nice as fuck; I really like the one made of wood (even if it costs $50 - although at least that's not as bad as the glow-in-the-dark Boo one which goes for $200ish).

Yeah part of the reason I went for the n3ds non-xl was those colored buttons. It's just too good a look.

More hardware-locked virtual console is a bit eeeh, but also yes, I will buy those SNES games for my n3DS. I hope / think the NX will be a shift in terms of logical account sharing across systems and also cross-buy handheld/console.

requiring the New 3DS for those SNES roms is suuuuuuuch bullshit.

Yeah I've seen a bunch of people trying to convince themselves that it's justified because the emulation needs the extra CPU, but when the first gen 3DS was handling GBA emulation just fine that's clearly bollocks.

i had a 3dsxl but downsized to a new 3ds when they came out pretty much solely for the snes-style buttons like a total fuckin' dork

never regretted it tho

To be fair the first gen was running the GBA games natively the same way they run DS games natively, they boot up in a different mode. Emulation is a lot more CPU intensive. The lack of crossbuy is however utterly laughable in 2016, and the pricing of these games is crazy. £8.99 for a 20+ year old ROM?!?

nintendo's cross-buy policy is insane

You'd probably pay more for the carts on ebay to be fair... after a few shitty years i wouldn't blame them for not glutting the market
with ultra cheap fantastic older games that will fill up peoples consoles in place of newer premium ones that they have more reason to sell

To be fair the first gen was running the GBA games natively the same way they run DS games natively, they boot up in a different mode.

Couldn't they just do that for the SNES games too though? I mean even if that locks out your streetpasses while you're playing or whatever. I'm sure people with older hardware would rather put up with that than feel they're being encouraged to buy a whole new machine just to play pilotwings in 2016.

No, the 3DS contains a DS chipset which incorporates a GBA chipset, so when GBA games are played they are run natively using a GBA hardware chip. There is no SNES hardware chip in the 3DS so they can't be run natively, they would need to be emulated by the 3DS CPU. Presumably the OG 3DS CPU is not powerful enough to run SNES emulation.

Pocket Card Jockey is legit, one of those perfect "just one more" portable games.
It's a solitaire horse racing hybrid, where you race horses around a track by playing games of simplified solitaire to a time limit. Yes really.
If you lose too many races your horse gets sent to the farm and you try again with a different horse. Horses at the farm can be paired off to breed the next generation of horses, inheriting characteristics of their parents.
The presentation is simple but cute, reminds me of the Rhythm Heaven games in its flat cartooniness.
Oh yeh and it's made by the Pokemon people, there's a lengthy free demo available. Try it!

Every single time I leave my 3DS alone for more than 5 mins, the next time I pick it back up my bf has slid the 3d and volume sliders up to max :(

nothing worse as a 32 year old than opening my 3DS on a bus having left the volume up and the Donkey Kong theme then making a loud monkey noise for all to hear

the volume and 3d sliders seem to go up pretty much every time i put down the machine, i think it's just really easy to slide them when holding it closed? i've gotten good at checking both before opening it at this point

agreed re: Pocket Card Jockey; I've been getting absolutely destroyed ever since I had to give up the horse I got for the first race, but it's still incredibly compelling. also they let you name the horses, meaning I can finally attempt to restage the 1974 Kentucky Derby.

BTW there's a current Humble Bundle with 3DS/Wii U games in it for anyone interested:
https://www.humblebundle.com/friends-of-nintendo-3ds-wiiu
In for Rhythm Thief

Pocket Card Jockey is something

i just realized yesterday when i friend told me, but earthbound is out on this now. i am going to finally beat earthbound this time. (i borrowed the cart twice in my life, and never finished it...)

I got excited when that came out, then realised you need a 'New' 3DS system to play the SNES VC games.

whole bunch of 3ds news worth bringing up:

- stoked for the imminent release of the DQ7 remake (even though it apparently requires you to go through an eight-step process every time you want to save), but nowhere near as stoked as I am for Natsume's port of River City Tokyo Rumble. naturally that one isn't available for preorder for some unfathomable reason, though.

- played a whole bunch of the crossword puzzle game on a train ride up to SF recently; it really is quite excellent, even though its handwriting recognition is kind of questionable at times (although then again so is my handwriting).

- I also plan on picking up Rhythm Heaven Megamix (which apparently has been out for months and I just never realized it) and Picross 3DS in the very near future.

- I guess the real big news is the recent expansions to the Streetpass games, which I am beginning to love all-encompassingly. the new games are all pretty great, as is the ability to get more puzzle pieces from StreetPass folks and bank up to 100 StreetPass instances at a time. I really ought to start taking my 3DS with me whenever I go out walking around the neighborhood if only to rack up connections.

also super stoked for DQ7 which hopefully turns up in the post tomorrow.Have been playing 3D Outrun quite a bit as it was on sale last week, a perfect pick up and play game and the 3D really enhances the game imo.

streets of rage 2 for £2 this week = SO GOOD

God, this is even more depressing than the Vita thread

Man, I am totally being suckered into buying River City: Tokyo Rumble now for that stupid keychain. If I can find it in stock anywhere...

um, is that a River City Ransom redo?

Full blown sequel as I've heard :)

man i bought a first gen 3ds and quit playing as it hurt my delicate little hands but that might make me bust it back out

The lack of hand comfort is one of the excuses I give myself for barely having touched the system

Never had any comfort issues, can play for hours at a time. Maybe I've got weird hands tho.
DQ7 is a total treat if you like old school JRPGs, love the way you visit an island in the past, solve a problem and then visit it in the present to see how it changed - not all happy endings either.

1st gen system is very boxy and has sharp edges, they promptly rounded off and made it more grabbable for the update

Even the XL I have still feels like you're grasping a slippery cigarette case

physical copies of River City Tokyo Rumble sold out in less than an hour, although it appears that fart-huffing ebay flippers bought a statistically significant number of copies. luckily I managed to get my order in during that brief window (although they're pressing a second run, complete w/ the Kunio keychain that came with initial copies); it showed up today so I haven't gotten to sink my teeth into it yet. unfortunately no co-op mode, though.

in other news, a game I've been playing a bunch lately is Gotta Protectors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHv0TbTUG4s

Tokyo Rumble is the shit, it's basically a Yakuza game drenched in 8/16-bit charm. hopefully the demand is sufficient to convince Natsume to bring other Kunio games stateside; there's already a 3DS collection in Japan compiling basically everything as well as romhack translations of a few titles (although not the basketball game, unfortunately) that they could use as a reference:

http://nintendoeverything.com/kunio-kun-nekketsu-complete-famicom-compilation-coming-to-3ds/

thanks for making my decision easier! i can' tell from the list, but i hope the samurai version is in that comp

I hadn't even heard of the samurai Kunio, but from what I understand the collection is pretty comprehensive so if it came out on NES it should be on there

ok i checked and it IS on there. man i hope this comes out here

to the great surprise of nobody, Kirby: Planet Robobot is pretty great. I'm only a couple of worlds in, but so far it's at least as good as Triple Deluxe (which also rules).

From a few years back: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/the-emergent-heartbreak-of-tomodachi-life#

I played through the demo for Miitopia (the Tomodachi Life RPG) in one sitting; that game appears to be extremely my shit.

https://www.polygon.com/23024014/atlus-nintendo-3ds-sale-store

I already picked up Radiant Historia - haven't played any of these though. I'm surprised the SMT IV games haven't been ported to Switch already

I picked up a 3DS XL recently. Hacked it and have been dumping 3DS, DS, and GBA game on it. Lovely, fun little device.

I mostly just wanted it to play Dragon Quest 8, but there really is a wealth of other great stuff in those libraries to explore. I’ve kinda scoured the “best games for _____” lists, but if anyone has any good recs I’m all ears.

any preferred genres?

Not particularly. I picked up a bunch of Mario, Castlevania, and Metroid stuff, always a safe bet. Got some DQ games, Fire Emblem, Shin Megami Tensei 4, even some Pokémon. I suppose I should just take the time to just read through this thread too. Just curious if anyone had any in particular that stuck out for them.

OK some less obvious 3DS games off the top of my head:
Pocket Card Jockey - very addictive card based horse racing game, made by Pokemon people
Fantasy Life - Level 5 action RPG, has become a cult hit and a Switch sequel finally got announced recently
Ever Oasis - a Nintendo published action adventure game that somehow passed everyone by
NES Remix - kind of like a Warioware game that takes NES games and mashes them up for quick challenges
Attack of the Friday Monsters - really charming adventure game made by the "My Summer Vacation" guy. explore a small town in 1970s Japan as a kid, play card games, investigate giant kaiju footprints on the edge of town etc. makes you nostalgic for a childhood you never had.

could go on for hours about the incredible weirdness that can be found in the DS library, almost rivals the PS2 for the amount of creative madness that went on

i second the ^ pocket card jockey & attack of the friday monsters recs
assuming you have FBI running, it's pretty straight forward to find a QR for mother 3
kid icarus: uprising is good fun
sega arcade classics and things like 3d outrun are worth an install
inazuma eleven is a high school soccer rpg
dillon's dead heat breakers is a lot of things mixed together in a fun weird way
on the DS bangai-o spirits is something to behold, i mean again i'm repeating what zappi says but there's a ton of great DS games

I'm just finishing Devil survivor 2,both of those games are decent smt x tactics games, not mind blowing but solid

thanks all! will be checking all these out. it is kind of a crazy library, 3DS, DS, and GBA all together, figured there had to be plenty of off-the-beaten-track titles worth exploring.

not to derail but zappi, i'd love to hear your DS recommendations

I'll do one later! was thinking a lot last night about the DS library before falling asleep: playing stuff like Ouendan, Trauma Center, Layton etc for the first time and how amazing that was. also Bangai-O Spirits is a good shout, forgot about that one

also just checked and no one has done a translation patch for the Mushishi DS game ;_;