BORDERLANDS - like Fallout 3 but with cars and MAXIMUM PWNAGE OMGWTFLOLNEWB FPS combat

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ok i havent actually played the game yet, its still sitting in the plasticwrap so i have no idea how much of the above is true, but i wanted a title that wasnt boring.

anybody else bought/gonna buy this? i succumbed to the review hype last night despite the fact that i have no time at all to play this right now.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:44 (ten years ago) link

sorry half life 2 episode 2 - and we were getting along so well!

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:45 (ten years ago) link

It looks really cool, but I'm hesitant to pick it up right now. No time to play, and my fav co-op partner is recovering from surgery and unable to play anything for a long time.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:48 (ten years ago) link

i would play it this weekend but the gf has taken to asking me terrible soul-searching questions like "how many of these games have you actually finished?" whenever she sees another one piled on the stacks.

she is smarter than me.

anyway, tuesday off should afford the opportunity, if not sooner.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:51 (ten years ago) link

you must finish the games to complete your gfs soul

What the hell is hamster love (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 October 2009 19:57 (ten years ago) link

Huh... I didn't know this had cars. That makes it seems more interesting (I thought it was just wandering through a wasteland shooting stuff endlessly). Are there races? Does it have competitive multiplayer or just co-op?

Jeff LeVine, Saturday, 24 October 2009 20:47 (ten years ago) link

I've heard the car portion is not really a focus of the game, but I'll let you know when I know more. Also I think there is limited pvp, but nothing super in depth yet (although if the bones are there, maybe future expansions are in store, idk)

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Saturday, 24 October 2009 21:42 (ten years ago) link

i'm tempted but it looks a little grindy to me, also not crazy about just 4 players at a time.

bnw, Saturday, 24 October 2009 22:50 (ten years ago) link

playing 1 player, and it looks GREAT, weapon variety is v cool. good quick learning curve, def a loot finders paradise. doesn't feel grindy at all really, although that may change. really digging the presentation so far as well, and the character variety seems like replayability is going to be cool as well.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Saturday, 24 October 2009 23:14 (ten years ago) link

Probably picking it up soon with a friend on PC. I'm buying a retail copy, , but if it lets me register on Steam I'll definitely do it. My username is Merzbau, feel free to look me up in 2-3 weeks or so.

More Butty In Your Pants (Telephone thing), Sunday, 25 October 2009 00:59 (ten years ago) link

ok so around level 9 this game actually starts getting pretty hard! which is a nice change, as much as i loved fallout 3 it was def easy - if you go in guns a blazing on some of the quests im working on right now u gonna get pwned

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Monday, 26 October 2009 17:20 (ten years ago) link

is it fun without multiplayer?

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 26 October 2009 17:24 (ten years ago) link

you must finish the games to complete your gfs soul

― What the hell is hamster love (CaptainLorax), Saturday, October 24, 2009 7:57 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

actual lol

Nanobots: HOOSTEEND (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 26 October 2009 17:32 (ten years ago) link

im digging it without multiplayer, but i think split screen would be pretty dope. online scares me - esp since given the way the loot works, i could see peeps grabbing madly for shit post battle. there is a duel mode (!) to make up for this, and also some arena i haven't unlocked yet that would prob have some decent pvp in it.

re: the driving jeff asked about - no sign of it yet

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Monday, 26 October 2009 17:41 (ten years ago) link

is this more fps-y or more rpg-y

cialis morissette (goole), Monday, 26 October 2009 17:53 (ten years ago) link

more fps than rpg but there is lots of menu-use to satisfy the rpg gamer in u

coz (webinar), Monday, 26 October 2009 18:22 (ten years ago) link

ha i got mad sick of that crap near the halfway point of f3, started going run and gun for the h of it.

cialis morissette (goole), Monday, 26 October 2009 18:24 (ten years ago) link

the pitch is basically 'fallout 3 w/better gunplay' so if tht sounds good to you

a couple of folx on my fl have been caning this and the word of mouth on forums seems to be v.positive

coz (webinar), Monday, 26 October 2009 18:26 (ten years ago) link

ok!

i think all rpgs should start with a rock-solid fps core, if they're going to bother with any real time shooty business at all. otherwise, NEIN. that was my big problem w/ fallout, both real time and 'vats' were equally half-assed.

cialis morissette (goole), Monday, 26 October 2009 18:29 (ten years ago) link

Theres not much to this game but Im obsessed with it. The bosses can be pretty ridiculously easy tho. I killed this dude named spike without moving really. Just dropped my sentry gun and unloaded on him.

mayor jingleberries, Monday, 26 October 2009 18:37 (ten years ago) link

goole if you want to try it out w/split screen coop you are welcome anytime. cool thing is that lower level characters can drop in/out at any point w/the main quest, and the progression counts (none of that fable "buddy in my world" bullshit).

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Monday, 26 October 2009 19:01 (ten years ago) link

been watching clips of this game, and i can't see much rpg going on. it's all very similar to TF2 as well and not just the gfx

Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 12:16 (ten years ago) link

Only thing really RPG about it is character classes, fetch quests, experience points, damage shown in numeric form and a progression tree for your skills.

mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:59 (ten years ago) link

That sounds grate!

antexit, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 19:46 (ten years ago) link

as soon as someone typed "skill tree" antexit's siren went off

banned, on the run (s1ocki), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 20:37 (ten years ago) link

ok the driving is not going to please racing fans, very halo warthog style.

Don Quishote (jjjusten), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 20:50 (ten years ago) link

i bought this. im sure it will remain wrapped for a while.

cutty, Friday, 30 October 2009 18:56 (ten years ago) link

Help I'm dying to play this game but I have the two GTA episodes to get through before MW2 comes out and my life is destroyed

antexit, Sunday, 1 November 2009 12:48 (ten years ago) link

don't expect I'll buy another game for a few months once MW2 drops

coz (webinar), Sunday, 1 November 2009 13:04 (ten years ago) link

I know! But the online for this looks so good and I'm sure it'll be dead by the time I get done with MW2, or start to have space to play other things

antexit, Sunday, 1 November 2009 14:02 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, this looks good, but there's just way too many new, good looking games out right now - it's yet another one I had to skip. May pick it up later in the new year after a price drop if I'm not overwhelmed by new games coming out in mid-2010.

Jeff LeVine, Sunday, 1 November 2009 15:54 (ten years ago) link

Great, at least I can online with Jeff after everyone else is off it

antexit, Sunday, 1 November 2009 16:41 (ten years ago) link

panned (although the review reads basically the same as all the positive ones): http://www.avclub.com/articles/borderlands,34808/

Ømår Littel (Jordan), Monday, 2 November 2009 14:56 (ten years ago) link

yeah avclub is sort of notorious there days for their game reviews... too bad, because of the rest of the site is fine

Nhex, Monday, 2 November 2009 15:10 (ten years ago) link

me and a friend are gonna pick this up and play thru together. i need recommendations for what character classes we should choose.

aarrissi-a-roni, Monday, 2 November 2009 17:30 (ten years ago) link

Ive messed around with the Berserker (lvl 13) and Soldier (lvl 32). Soldier is pretty fun because of the sentry gun and punching the shit out of everyone with the Berserker is not bad either. My friend plays as the Siren but her powers dont seem too amazing to me.

I never bothered with Mordecai because I heard sniping wasnt easy to do because the enemy AI is basically 75% bum rushing but I find myself sniping ALOT. Might be worth a run.

mayor jingleberries, Monday, 2 November 2009 18:24 (ten years ago) link

a friend and I are playing co-op together on PC, and our strategy is basically: I try to tank with the Berserker while he snipes them with Mordecai. When we actually get a chance to play together, I'll let you know how it goes!

A polar bear you can see in a snowstorm (rockapads), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:35 (ten years ago) link

thanks guys. this is useful info. my friend likes to snipe so i will recommend that. i feel like soldier would be more fun than tank dude because of the variety of guns?

aarrissi-a-roni, Monday, 2 November 2009 18:46 (ten years ago) link

berserker only specializes in melee and rocket launchers. you dont get rocket launchers until later in the game and the explosion physics/splash damage can be frustrating. soldier is good tho. Im a fan of the combat rifle.

mayor jingleberries, Monday, 2 November 2009 18:56 (ten years ago) link

playing as the siren and digging it, although i have not been using her phase dash whatever at all, just boosting all the crit hit/shield power/environmental damage stats. anyone know how much difference there is in the skill trees outside of the obvious special power related stuff?

PHEAR MY POORAPULT (jjjusten), Monday, 2 November 2009 20:06 (ten years ago) link

so is the PC version as borked as people say?

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 04:47 (ten years ago) link

this game is HARD in spots, jesus

PHEAR MY POORAPULT (jjjusten), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 04:49 (ten years ago) link

I've been playing the PC and it's fine for the most part. I had some real frustration with the network code when my friend and I started. He had to set up a bunch of port forwarding shit on his router, and it uses GameSpy for matchmaking (ugh).

I haven't seen any bugs or had a single crash so far.

A polar bear you can see in a snowstorm (rockapads), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 19:44 (ten years ago) link

Also, I don't know if this is the case on the other platforms, but it's pretty stupid that you can't complete quests if the person hosting has already done them. Really stupid game design. My friend and I both created secondary characters to play when we aren't on at the same time, since our quests have to be totally in sync.

A polar bear you can see in a snowstorm (rockapads), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 19:45 (ten years ago) link

Played this on PS3 last night for a few hours - damn good fun - Siren actually a cool character with useful abilities - too bad this game will take a back seat to MW2 for a few months. Batman and Drake are not going to finish themselves either ...

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 18:13 (ten years ago) link

Im pretty close to the end. Was going to plan another run through with another character but probably wont get around to it. =\

mayor jingleberries, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:00 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

So guys, I got Borderlands today. Now I need some people to play it with.

Mordy, Monday, 14 December 2009 04:02 (nine years ago) link

I want this too. Buy me a copy and I will play it with you all the time.

antexit, Monday, 14 December 2009 19:05 (nine years ago) link

mordy are you ps3 or xbox

robster craws (cutty), Monday, 14 December 2009 19:34 (nine years ago) link

as i said upthread, it took me forever to realize that mission levels are set when you accept the missions, so the game screws you over by making all these exclamation points appear and you're like, sweet, new quests! and you sign up for all of them, condemning yourself to a game played in cycles: hard, less hard, way too easy. New area/plot point! Hard, less hard, way too easy. New area/plot point!...

Obviously, once you're aware of this you can control it much more, but it still does cement that "Farmville with guns" thing we were debating a while back. I loved so much about the look and feel of BL2 that I really did forgive, for longer than I otherwise would, the lack of real friction or difficulty.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 13 July 2015 18:17 (four years ago) link

yeah, I think locking them at the level they were when you accepted them is bad

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 13 July 2015 18:26 (four years ago) link

so does this mean to make the game easier, you should just accept all the missions as soon as they show up? because I might do that.

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2015 18:28 (four years ago) link

no, accept side quests as you do them. story quests have a minimum level they scale to, but side quests are always (?) at your current level.

if you go around and accept everything and then do them later, you'll be level 25 and getting level 10 rewards

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 13 July 2015 18:40 (four years ago) link

and just mowing down all the enemies, all the time, which just isn't that much fun. so yeah - accept one quest at a time, it's artificial but it should yield the closest thing to a 'natural' feel/flow of the game. if a quest annoys you or you want to go do something else, you totally can... you just want to avoid that thing where you get to town and there's a million new quests and you accept them all at once.

Gorefest Frump (Doctor Casino), Monday, 13 July 2015 18:49 (four years ago) link

got it. yeah, that's what i normally do anyway

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2015 18:57 (four years ago) link

i think i need a new Mac anyway, it's old and slow and shuts down randomly

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2015 18:58 (four years ago) link

so i figured out how to actually enjoy this game. first off, restarted with a character that's more friendly to people bad at the game -- i'm now playing as the robot summoning mechromancer so when things get too rough i can summon that robot then run and hide for a bit. also, i figured out how to snipe effectively and how to use the scope, so i could pick off enemies without them getting so damn close i would just get destroyed. and now just only i figured out how to switch to a good shotgun at close range and take out enemies right on top of me.

in the middle of the fire cult quests and having a lot more fun. frustrating though to be building up my shock tree but keep ending up at this point with all fire elemental themed weapons. i guess i'll have more opportunities to pick up shock stuff later.

its impressive how if you have the wrong gun, its not just that you do less damage, its that you can be completely ineffective.

where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Friday, 24 July 2015 14:42 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

BL2 still taking way too much of my time. thru the main storyline and polishing off the DLC. Was overleveled for the pirate one, but somehow felt more appropriately leveled for the torgue one because I guess just way more exciting people jumping at you etc. Hammerlock isn't great, but finishing it up anyway, and really looking forward to Tina. After this, going to try hard to resist doing another whole playthough in TVHM. Also going to try to resist going through with another class like gunzerker or assassin, even though their gameplay style looks way different and fun.

where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Monday, 14 September 2015 17:43 (four years ago) link

tiny tina is so good it even makes up for hammerlock

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 01:14 (four years ago) link

Gunzerker funnest class for a second SP playthrough imo. Assassin not fun at all in SP.

antexit, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 17:49 (four years ago) link

Siren and Commando were by far my best character types. Assassin was rough for me. Gunzerker was basically impossible. I could never get the hang of using his powers well.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 September 2015 17:53 (four years ago) link

shoot everything really hard

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 18:20 (four years ago) link

Siren is super fun but I only really used her in multiplayer

I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 19:29 (four years ago) link

for solo play, i go commando

resulting post (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 21:52 (four years ago) link

ouch, i just got that.

where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Tuesday, 15 September 2015 22:51 (four years ago) link

If you have them (in a bundle, or hell, buying them on their own, this game goes on sale all the time now) the Mechromancer and Psycho characters are incredibly fun to play.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 16 September 2015 00:39 (four years ago) link

god tiny tina was so good feels like a letdown to go back to enemies that aren't all weird magic things.

where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Monday, 21 September 2015 02:03 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

"consummatum est"

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the late great, Tuesday, 10 November 2015 04:42 (four years ago) link

respect

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 10 November 2015 15:00 (four years ago) link

ty ty

sadly it has rendered "armory of general knoxx" trivially easy

mad moxxi's underdome leveled up with me ... hope the robot revolution did too

can't wait to wrap this shit up and get on to ... BL2 or the pre-sequel? which is better?

the late great, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 06:58 (four years ago) link

BL2 is I think universally agreed on as the high-point.

But after losing a few months to BL2 I've resisted the pre-sequel thus far. (reputedly the claptastic dlc is the best dlc of the series tho)

big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 07:40 (four years ago) link

Nah tiny Tina dnd dlc still rules all

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 07:42 (four years ago) link

But yeah, bl2 is def the best, although both that and the presequel are vast improvements over the first borderlands (which, to be clear, I also love).

a strawman stuffed with their collection of 12 cds (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 07:45 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

playing tps now, finding the story kinda meh, and the fight dynamics don't feel nearly as thrilling as bl2, although i'm still having fun. in part i think i have sorta dull guns -- have sort of weak fire and shock lasers, and a not great assault rifle, so just been leaning on heavy use of a scav freeze smg. the freeze mechanic is great tho -- love running up to frozen enemies and meleeing them.

what i think i miss are really well-constructed areas where you have to methodically proceed and clear out bases and you keep getting guys coming at you from all sides. the fighting areas tend to be too wide open without great cover dynamics, especially since all the jumping sort of ruins the point of cover.

the vehicle stuff is much more enjoyable than BL2 tho -- low grav really helps it out.

big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Monday, 28 December 2015 22:57 (three years ago) link

I opened the pre-sequel today when checking what games I had installed, actually! I think I was playing through the second time (which is great, you get the BL2 characters listening to the retelling) but whenever I last played, I had somehow made it to some fuck-off hard area for my character so I really need to backtrack and grind a lot more

Those keys with online codes that give you special weapons from the trunk in the floating city are pretty essential in that situation.

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 28 December 2015 23:38 (three years ago) link

i was doing well but then the bosun just destroyed me until i stopped trying to hit him with my weak scav ice smg that i had gotten attached to -- he went down after like six hits from a vladof rocket launcher. but after that, i realized all my weapons suddenly were outclassed by the new enemies i was facing (it seems like unlike BL2, in PTS the enemies in already played areas sort of level up with you, at least for a while?). hit up that golden chest and a new tediore smg is just ripping through them again. i live firing like three rounds then hurling it at enemies - boop, down they go.

big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Friday, 1 January 2016 06:45 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

Picked up the game on PC yesterday from here for really cheap. Does anyone wanna do some pre-sequel co-op?

Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Thursday, 7 July 2016 03:45 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

In typical me fashion, I've just gotten around to Borderlands 2 seven years after its release. I wish I'd read through this thread before I started because the goddamn assassin class sucks shit and has made me wonder if all the hype I'd heard was nonsense. Like I'm at the point where I'm getting my ass handed to me (and I mean HANDED, like two-hit kills) over and over on every mission and side mission and all the fun has been drained out of the gameplay. Oh hey cool, something I didn't even see just completely blew out my shield and 90% of my health. Wheeeee. And I finished the first game and loved it so it's not like this is unfamiliar terrain. But at this point I'm a couple dozen hours in and at level 18 and the thought of starting over with a different class is like contemplating a complete career overhaul in middle age. It's precisely like that.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Monday, 2 December 2019 13:10 (one week ago) link

do it anyway with a siren

brigadier pudding (DJP), Monday, 2 December 2019 13:39 (one week ago) link

gave B2 a go again recently, my main takeaway was how SLOW it feels compared to modern FPS games, it's almost Dark Souls levels of deliberative combat

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Monday, 2 December 2019 13:42 (one week ago) link

Okay so I started over with the siren per Dan's suggestion and, yeah, I blasted through a bunch of missions and got her up to level 6 in like 90 minutes. Already enjoying it way way more. Assassin can go take a long walk off a short pier, sorry that's just how I feel.

What Would Spoonman Do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 14:28 (six days ago) link

I remember having the same frustration with the assassin until something twigged -- I think it was that at some point I got an insanely high-powered sniper rifle, so anything up close and personal was just clean up? idk it's been a very long time

gbx, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:27 (six days ago) link

Yeah, I just kept waiting for something to cohere, trying out every gahddamn weapon and shield and artifact. Just...nothin'. I didn't even understand the point of his useless power. Now I have a pistol that I can fire like a gunslinger on crack and it doesn't even matter that it's low-level and takes forever to do serious damage because it's fun and it actually feels like I'm getting things done. And I can move! Fast! Much preferable to constantly being all 'fucking RUN, YOU SLOW-ASS ASSASSIN okay nevermind you died, again'.

Please, let's talk more about this game that is the same age as a second-grader.

What Would Spoonman Do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:35 (six days ago) link

I just finished Borderlands 3 this weekend finally. The gameplay is pretty fun if you can get past the story, which is quite bad.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:26 (six days ago) link

An apt description of 99.9% of the games I enjoy playing.

Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:29 (six days ago) link

for solo play i just went commando

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:56 (six days ago) link

sorry everyone, that was a terrible post. but nothing says "solo players: choose me" like a turret.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 18:57 (six days ago) link

I mean, they clearly designed that class around that exact joke so go with God, my friend

brigadier pudding (DJP), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:01 (six days ago) link

gravity's rainbow usernames gotta stick together (rip hstencil)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:58 (six days ago) link

My other 'alf has been playing BL3 non stop since it came out and maxed up every character class, so Ive had to watch the fuckin cut scenes about 6 times each.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 06:01 (five days ago) link

Unskippable cutscenes are a plague upon this series/videogames generally.

BP2 update: playing as a siren, I've been just tearing my way through bosses that owned my ass a half dozen times over as an assassin. And also sniping from great distances like a pro, perhaps with even greater alacrity than before. So did the developers just begrudgingly include that garbage class as a favor to a brother-in-law or to settle a debt or what.

Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 12:51 (five days ago) link

It's a great multiplayer class

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:13 (five days ago) link

one of my great ilx regrets is that i didn't play this thing multiplayer with y'all. i knew, and know, nothing of console multiplayer gaming, we didn't have a functional xbox live account or i didn't understand anything about that system anyway, and it would have annoyed the shit out of my roommates but goddamn am i convinced that would have been a blast

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:48 (five days ago) link

jjjusten, EZSnappin, and I can confirm that yes, it was a goddamned blast

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:52 (five days ago) link

my one attempt at playing this in multiplayer was splitscreen couch co-op and was prematurely halted when my buddy and i realised we were too stoned to find our way out of a shipping crate seconds after meeting claptrap for the first time

"Big Joe Fuck and the Bogalusa Maniac" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 14:58 (five days ago) link

That's the kind of multiplayer action I'm looking for tbrr.

Typo Netagive (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 15:01 (five days ago) link

got BL3 recently it's a fun drunk shooter imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 16:07 (five days ago) link

bummed multiplayer is platform-specific -- i'm OSX/Steam or I'd be happy to do a run w/you

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:59 (five days ago) link

Yeah, I'm still on a PS3 so the sum total of my intentional (as opposed to reluctantly going in and getting owned by mod-happy 13-year-olds) online multiplayer experience was the six-month window between when I bought GTA5 and when my brother sadly upgraded to a PS4.

the perfect equilibrium of dipability and fun (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 December 2019 18:04 (five days ago) link


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