Kids, shoot yourself in the head and gain super powers! The SMT / Megaten / Persona thread

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I mostly want to talk about how excited I am about Persona 3. But I realized there's no Megaten thread (at least, that's what searching tells me).

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I liked nocturne for a little while, but it was a lender so I never got far in it. I should pick it up since it's probably cheap now. Anyone have any feelings on any of these games?

Will M., Friday, 13 April 2007 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Btw the SMT game "If..." is in no way related to the 1968 film by Lindsay Anderson although perhaps Persona is based on it, all full of black comedy and boarding schools and stuff.

Will M., Friday, 13 April 2007 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

SO MUCH GRINDING

adam, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Also I really like Megaten games even though I don't really like playing them. Thus I for whatever reason have Persona, Persona 2, Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga, Digital Devil Saga 2, Devil Summoner, a couple of strategy guides and even the tangentially-related Dreamcast first-person sword thing Maken X sitting on my shelf. I have never beaten any of these games. Some I have never even played. This is a problem.

adam, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Also I am excited to purchase and never, ever play Persona 3. Because I'll want to play Personas 1 and 2 first. Which I never will.

adam, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link

The SNES ones are the best.

adam, Sunday, 15 April 2007 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I totally agree that the concept seems better than the game. When I started playing Nocturne, I was /really/ into the story, the entire setting (one of the most original takes on post-apocalypse I had ever seen), and the weird atmopshere of isolation, melancholy and paranoia. Then I got more into it and it turned into a total grind. Which I hate. But I seirously considered doing, JUST because I was actually enjoying the story in an RPG (wtf I know right). I will probably do the same with Persona 3. Although now that I'm talking about it again I may pick up Nocturne and try and weather through it because it was so awesome.

Will M., Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, I got about 4 minutes into Devil Summoner before getting bored.

I heard that DDS and DDS2 were a lot more tolerable?

Will M., Sunday, 15 April 2007 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Special edition Persona 3 is going to ship with an art book and the soundtrack which, if previous PS2 SMT releases are any indicator, will be incredible (I had ripped the SMT Nocturne disc a while ago, but my computer has since died, and the disc is back with my friend in another city... CURSES). Am I the only one around here who's gonna pre-order the spec-ed?

Will M., Thursday, 26 April 2007 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I PRE-ORDERED THIS and furthermore am disappointed by the lack of interest.

Will M., Monday, 30 April 2007 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess I'll have to.

adam, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 18:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I've never played any of these, but I'm going to give Persona 3 a shot and if I dig it I'll hunt down Nocturne.
Btw, Nocturne is not cheap now as far as I can tell. $40-$60 used.

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:42 (fourteen years ago) link

that's insane. buying games used always seemed like a joke to me though... you're giving the developers/publishers precisely as much money as you would be if you burned it.

Will M., Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I started playing Nocturne again yesterday. Satanic Pokemon postapocalyptic adventure fun. Love it. We'll see how long it takes for the grind to kick in and make me crazy.

adam, Saturday, 12 May 2007 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

It hit me about the same time I left the underground city of face-covering people. But that's also when I had to return it to its owner. Maybe I woulda kept it up?

Will M., Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

two months pass...

GAMER'S FUN RUINED (WELL, DELAYED) BY USELESS CRAP FOR UBER-NERDS:
http://www.siliconera.com/2007/07/23/persona-3-knocked-down-by-a-delay/

marmotwolof, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link

this sucks because I ended up preordering it, too

marmotwolof, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Heh, same. Thankfully I couldn't afford it this paycheck because power/rent/cable/ps2 repair wiped my bank acct.

I don't see why they didn't just include a little "mail this in for a free copy of the art book" coupon or something. Ah well.

Will M., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

August 14.
http://www.siliconera.com/2007/07/24/shin-megami-tensei-persona-3-coming-in-august/

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link

And August 28th for Growlanser V. This is lame. I was looking forward to playing a shitload of RPGs during the ENTIRE MONTH that I have the house to myself (gf going to Europe from August 4th through 26th or something). Oh well, I can probably find a game to play during that time.

Will M., Wednesday, 25 July 2007 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

between this and bioshock i think i am well stocked up on the disturbing imagery.

adam, Friday, 17 August 2007 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link

also the art book is pretty cool as far as stupid ass art book crap goes.

adam, Friday, 17 August 2007 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Mine's on the way,

marmotwolof, Friday, 17 August 2007 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

but I'd much rather have been playing it the past few weeks than have that fucking book, obv.

marmotwolof, Friday, 17 August 2007 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I bought my copy, haven't played it yet though-- the gf wants to see it, so I am saving it. It's painful. What game can I play for the next 10 days so I don't think about it?

Will M., Sunday, 19 August 2007 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link

You ever pick up Odin Sphere? Tomb Raider Anniversary? GrimGrimoire? Those are the best recent PS2 games, IMO.

marmotwolof, Sunday, 19 August 2007 05:45 (thirteen years ago) link

persona 3 is light years better than odin sphere or tomb raider. classy presentation, no random encounters, cool soundtrack. i'm sure that it like all megaten games will get incredibly frustrating and pointless but until then it is really cool. of course bioshock comes out tomorrow which means i will prob not pick up p3 again for a little while.

adam, Monday, 20 August 2007 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got Odin Sphere and GrimGrimoire ready to play... Odin Sphere was pretty fun but I put it down and forgot to continue playing, I started playing GrimGrimoire last night and I'm not yet sure how I feel about it.

Will M., Monday, 20 August 2007 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

anybody play http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e7/SMTRaidou.jpg/250px-SMTRaidou.jpg this one? would that be a good entry point to the series, or should I try something else? Because I personally have watched a fool play Persona 2 and am not the least bit interested in THAT.

El Tomboto, Monday, 20 August 2007 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

No.

If anything, Persona 3 is probably the best entry point. Devil Summoner is... weird. Another good one might be Digital Devil Saga, if you can find it.

Will M., Monday, 20 August 2007 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

that said, though, DDS really isn't like the rest of the series, and neither is Persona 3. I'd honestly say that they're similar only in that they're different from all the other jPRG tripe out there.

Will M., Monday, 20 August 2007 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link

jRPG tripe seriously needs to be defined in this context. I mean Persona 2 looked like the tripe ramen championship, some .hack kind of wanksterism.

Maybe I should just see if I can pick up some other SMT bidness cheap used

El Tomboto, Monday, 20 August 2007 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link

hahahaha good luck w/that. oh, and Nocturne was the last game in the main SMT series, FYI.

marmotwolof, Monday, 20 August 2007 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

It'd be cheaper to get your PS2 'backup-friendly,' I reckon.

Will M., Monday, 20 August 2007 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I've only played for a couple hours, but Persona 3 rules. Tombot, don't be such a...Tombot. Check it out.

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 06:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll buy one of y'alls copies when you're done. I still have over 100+ hours of jRPG tripe at my house I've yet to work through. Getting ahead of myself.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

devil summoner kind of sucks. i played persona 3 all fucking day yesterday--it is really lame and frustrating but still really cool. best of the megaten games that i've played and probably the best rpg for the ps2 that i've played.

adam, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't stress how much i like the no random encounters thing.

adam, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah you know Tombot I am not at all kidding when I say this makes Rogue Galaxy look like a complete piece of shit. FFXII and DQVIII...better watch their back depending on how good this thing is going to get. I'm four hours in, and "probably the best RPG for the PS2" has already gone through my head as well.

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.destructoid.com/elephant//ul/36188-persona3.jpg

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha yeah but at least that emo kid puts a gun to his head and pulls the trigger multiple times in every battle! That's your mute DQ style hero that you can name whatever you want, and the other dudes in my party so far are a ponytail/baseball cap gamer dude and a jock boxer. There's absolutely none of emo hair Main Character whining about his feelings, he never says a word.

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Correction, baseball cap dude doesn't even have a ponytail, for some reason I thought he did. In any case, none of the other characters so far are the least bit emo if that's what you're worried about. :D

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

No I'm just worried about my usual antipathy for any and all JJhighschool + Supernatural Bullshit storylines, though a few reviews have allayed a lot of my qualms in this regard

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

junpei is a total douche. i think what i like about this game so much (so far) is the lack of tediousness. healing is easy, getting around is easy, and stamina points (equivalent to magic points) are not impossible/$$$ to restore so cool powers and combinations can be used frequently/all the time instead of just mashing the basic physical attack button. also the soundtrack is as good as jet set radio future.

adam, Tuesday, 21 August 2007 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link

A nice touch that it comes packaged with the soundtrack. Although the program I used to use to rip CDs is apparently no longer free. And I fucking hate iTunes/iPod/AAC. Any sugg's? I guess that's off topic... I still can't talk about the game proper until the 27th/28th when I can start playing it, eeeeeagh. Which is when Growlanser 5 comes out.

Will M., Wednesday, 22 August 2007 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Growlanser is 9/18 according to Gamestop. Wild Arms 5 comes out at the end of August though, and it's supposed to be really great. All these RPGs...

marmotwolof, Wednesday, 22 August 2007 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Well, I never picked up Persona 3 and was kind of regretting it recently as I looked around for a copy and saw how much they were already going for. However...!

IRVINE, CALIFORNIA — FEBRUARY 25, 2008 — Atlus U.S.A., Inc., the vanguard of role-playing games, today announced Persona 3 FES for the PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system, the highly-anticipated definitive cut of 2007’s RPG of the Year, Persona 3. With two games on one disc–a brand new chapter featuring 30+ hours of gameplay and an enhanced version of the original game loaded with new content and features–Persona 3 FES is the comprehensive version of one of the most acclaimed RPGs of 2007.

Persona 3 FES is a stand-alone product and does not require the original Persona 3 to play. However, players with save files from the original game will be able to transfer some of their saved data, such as their Persona compendium, to be used in the enhanced main story. The new story is accessible from the start and does not require players to finish the original game beforehand.

Persona 3 FES is scheduled for release on April 22nd for an MSRP of $29.99.

Jeff LeVine, Monday, 25 February 2008 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Just in from Gamefly. Looking to devote the better part of my weekend to it.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Except now I'm reading I should really get the special edition instead...

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link

... which i promptly bought, like a good consumer.

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 30 April 2008 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

At 18 hours in (and with P3P on its way to take up my time!) that is not what I wanted to hear.

if, Thursday, 29 July 2010 07:04 (ten years ago) link

yeah, have to admit that I've stalled out on strange journey as well.

original bgm, Thursday, 29 July 2010 18:01 (ten years ago) link

i didnt mind but its p much the only game ive played all year so

TEEN LESBIAN (Lamp), Thursday, 29 July 2010 20:06 (ten years ago) link

yeah, same here actually.

I got frustrated by the dark rooms in delphinus (sp?) that also had conveyor belts. didn't realize I had to go back to the ship and build an app and got hella lost/frustrated.

prob due for a second wind by now.

original bgm, Friday, 30 July 2010 13:28 (ten years ago) link

I've just done that bit and thought they made it almost too obvious that you had to go back! Maybe I just happened to stumble across the right people to talk to.

if, Friday, 30 July 2010 15:04 (ten years ago) link

haha it probably was really obvious. my playtime had gotten very fragmented at that point, so I would boot the game up after two weeks and be like, "umm... I think I'm supposed to do this now..."

original bgm, Friday, 30 July 2010 19:00 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Persona 4 remake announced for Vita with "new characters, movie events, animated scenes, and more. It will include 1.5 times the amount of voice-overs seen in the PS2 version. Marie, voiced by Kana Hanazawa, is one of the new characters."

also .... a 2D fighter(!) for 360/PS3/Arcade "has a new story that takes place two years after the events of Persona 4. Characters from Persona 4 and Persona 3 will feature in the game."

and finally basic prep has finished for Persona 5, no platform details though.

zappi, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 10:23 (nine years ago) link

lol, had to look up what a "vita" even is

original bgm, Wednesday, 31 August 2011 14:02 (nine years ago) link

lol me too

am/sand (Lamp), Wednesday, 31 August 2011 17:24 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

you can watch 1st episode of P4 anime here
http://www.theanimenetwork.com/Anime/Persona-4/Episode-1/Watch
its pretty much a straight retelling with english subs - supposed to be another 20+ episodes?!

zappi, Thursday, 6 October 2011 23:09 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

persona 4 arena, who's gonna get it for ps3 and fight with me?

adam, Thursday, 9 August 2012 12:52 (eight years ago) link

i was hoping someone would be posting something about strange journey to motivate me to pick it up again

thomp, Thursday, 9 August 2012 13:29 (eight years ago) link

haha me too

zappi, Thursday, 9 August 2012 14:00 (eight years ago) link

should i buy strange journey or devil survivor (or radiant historia)

adam, Monday, 20 August 2012 13:22 (eight years ago) link

devil survivor's story manages to be at the same time embarrassingly animu~/awful and, like, actually kind of fucked uppedly depressing. the game parts of it are pretty amazing though, sort of ff tactics + pokemon + each unit is 3 units so you get some crazy tag teams running around.

haven't played strange journey but i kinda want to. never really gotten into that FPS dungeon style though.

#1 Thwartstop Prospect (Will M.), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:53 (eight years ago) link

Read this whole thread again and now I basically need to find a way to play Persona 4 again, I never got very far and now I realize it is basically the only video game I want to play right now. Soooo any MTLers have a not-broken PS2/that game? :(

#1 Thwartstop Prospect (Will M.), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:10 (eight years ago) link

animu like persona animu or animu like eternal sonata animu?

most relatively recent pcs should be able to run pcsx2, which is way easier to set up than its ps1 predecessor.

adam, Monday, 20 August 2012 21:25 (eight years ago) link

yet to play eternal sonata. it is pretty persona-ish in that it minute-to-minute manages to jump between "god this is some dumb atlus boobs and giggles stuff" and "oh man this is actually kind of depressing" but the nadirs are nadirier and the peaks aren't as peaky.

it doesn't matter though because the SRPG + persona blending (What do they call it again? splicing or whatever?) = maximum enjoyment.

#1 Thwartstop Prospect (Will M.), Monday, 20 August 2012 21:48 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

persona 4 vita is so good. i am going to play it for 1000 hours this weekend.

adam, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:11 (eight years ago) link

don't think there's a midnight channel irl

abanana, Friday, 15 February 2013 20:48 (eight years ago) link

how much extra stuff was added to P4V? on the fence about buying it, already played through P4 on PS2 twice, but 3 years ago now.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 15 February 2013 21:04 (eight years ago) link

per the somethingawful thread:

-Improved Graphics
-Choose which skills Personas inherit
-Two new Social Links: Marie and Adachi
-New Personas, as well as third tier Personas for party members (Unlocked by reaching Rank 10, then spending time with them again after 1/10)
-New difficulty levels (Very easy, easy, normal, hard, very hard)
-More Voice acting
-New animated cutscenes
-New areas (Beach and a ski resort, Okina City, increased access to Inaba at night)
-New events (Halloween, Skiing!)
-BIKES! (You can get around town on motorbikes, and your party members learn new skills by going on Bike dates with you)
-Tag Team attacks
-Wi-Fi features. Use SOS to connect to other players, gaining HP and SP depending on how many you connect with. Furthermore, you can also see what other players are doing at the same time of the game you’re at.
-Gardening! (Which gets you items that can do things like cast Makarakarn)
-Bug Catching Mini-game (Use them as bait for the Fishing Mini-game!)
-A Quiz show mini-game
-Scene Skip
-The game is extended to February 24th (so long as you avoid the bad endings)

adam, Saturday, 16 February 2013 02:02 (eight years ago) link

just murdering dudes in mitsuo's dungeon right now. those tag team attacks are great--sometimes after an all-out attack (in my party) chie and yukiko will automatically do a decent bit of damage to all enemies, usually wiping them out. and they're like "yukiko, it's time!" "okay chie!" and it makes me think of "computer blue" off purple rain

adam, Saturday, 16 February 2013 02:05 (eight years ago) link

thanks for that, even more indecisive now! can you run about town or is it all menus like P3P? that was a bit of a turnoff for me.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 16 February 2013 02:08 (eight years ago) link

you can run around, the vita's got a little more juice than the psp.

while we're on this topic, is it worth playing through p3: FES? i put way too much time into the original p3 but bought FES off the psn store anyway.

adam, Saturday, 16 February 2013 02:15 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah and choosing the inherited skills is MASSIVE. i was getting hosed in the rise boss fight (getting hit with constant agilao/bufula) so i went and fused myself a persona with native null ice and tacked on an inherited null fire. so satisfying.

adam, Saturday, 16 February 2013 02:17 (eight years ago) link

persona 2 has been rated again. this probably means it'll be on PSN soon.

abanana, Monday, 18 February 2013 16:14 (eight years ago) link

oh yeah and choosing the inherited skills is MASSIVE

if the PS2 games had had this i think i would've saved a good 10+ hours on my playthroughs

kill yuppies (Lamp), Monday, 18 February 2013 16:20 (eight years ago) link

man this game gets hella anime in the back third.

adam, Monday, 18 February 2013 16:25 (eight years ago) link

haha yeah

man though i can't imagine looking at the back of this and thinking "yeah, that's what this game needed ... more stuff"

attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, 18 February 2013 19:24 (eight years ago) link

I'm currently playing Persona 3 on Easy and I really wish I had set it on normal. There's no challenge once you get into the groove of the game. Ah well, maybe I'll able to beat the final boss in this game (f.u. strange journey).

abanana, Sunday, 3 March 2013 15:33 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

hey look a new Persona game is coming out and Aigis is back! ... er wait a minute ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9uZMOyqU4Y

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 19:40 (eight years ago) link

Persona 3 FES is on sale for $5 on PSN this week. Might as well as add it to the backlog fire

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:04 (eight years ago) link

Is that UK or US?

UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:07 (eight years ago) link

huh US. they haven't promoted that in any way that I'm aware of but yeah, that goes right into the pile for me too.

UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:13 (eight years ago) link

yeh P3FES isn't on the EU store, Ghostlight were trying to put the Digital Devil Saga games on there but ... well they aren't v competent & fucked it up
in better news SMT4 and Soul Hackers are both coming to EU this year

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:26 (eight years ago) link

six months pass...

Masterful troll video feed from Atlus today, several announcements and much milking of Persona 4
games announced:
Persona Q (3DS) - dungeon crawler with chibi P3 & P4 cast made by Etrian Odyssey staff
Persona 4 Dancing All Night (Vita) - music rhythm game lol
Persona 4 Arena 2 (PS3) - second fighting game
and finally Persona 5 (PS3) coming winter 2014 in Japan, all they gave us was the Engrish text "You are prisoner. Want emancipation?"

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 24 November 2013 11:57 (seven years ago) link

eight months pass...

Ok, I think.. I think I'm almost ready to dive into Persona 3 FES. Soon. Soon.
I don't think I'll be playing this more than once; understand it's an insane grind.
Are there any non-spoiler things/gameplay aspects I should know to make this play-through as good as possible?

Nhex, Thursday, 31 July 2014 20:58 (six years ago) link

Are you playing the PS3 version? I prefer it, but if time is at a premium you might be better off with the PSP version, which is more menu driven and takes a lot less time to complete overall.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:05 (six years ago) link

(errr PS2, but also available on PS3 obv)

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:06 (six years ago) link

Yeah, PS3/PS2 version

Nhex, Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:43 (six years ago) link

why do you prefer ps2? I actually own both but still haven't played either (lol)

original bgm, Thursday, 31 July 2014 21:52 (six years ago) link

i guess i liked the atmosphere of running around the town listening to the really nice soundtrack and discovering things? in the PSP game it's mostly reduced to "go here or here" menus, which speeds up the game and probably works better for a portable but it just felt less alive as a setting (think they cut out the animated cutscenes for the PSP version as well). PSP also gives you the choice of a female protagonist (the main reason i replayed it), but she doesn't add that much to the story sadly.

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 31 July 2014 22:17 (six years ago) link

personas 3 and 4 have the best music. even if i found the grind occasionally infuriating i have endless goodwill toward this series just b/c of music and overall presentation. menus so stylish.

adam, Thursday, 31 July 2014 22:31 (six years ago) link

i played thro the first hour of ps3 recently and was amazed how much less assured it seemed than the same period of ps4

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Thursday, 31 July 2014 22:46 (six years ago) link

yea I love the music too

thanks for the info!

original bgm, Thursday, 31 July 2014 23:18 (six years ago) link

Persona 3 tips:

Don't worry about making all the right dialog choices, or maxing all the social links. It really doesn't matter.

Combining personas is generally better than leveling them.

Don't go into Tartarus every night. It's not necessary, and it often makes you tired.

When you're tired or sick, go to the nurse. Drinking the concoction will raise your courage.

alanbatman (abanana), Thursday, 31 July 2014 23:22 (six years ago) link

When you're tired or sick, go to the nurse. Drinking the concoction will raise your courage.

kinda wanna have an out-of-context video game tip thread now

Neckbread (Will M.), Friday, 1 August 2014 15:53 (six years ago) link

ok, i'll keep all that in mind. thanks!

Nhex, Friday, 1 August 2014 19:35 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

P5 also coming to PS4, release date just a vague 2015 now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5U8n4Ie3I

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 1 September 2014 14:19 (six years ago) link


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