everything rad is good for you: a persona/shin megami thread

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okay so i think czn is playing persona 3 aka one of the best games ever and i'm playing through P4 right now and i'd like to talk to you dudes about this a^+ series of JAPENESE VIDEO CONSOLE GAME EXPERIENCES

so let's talk then

Lamp, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

so i think so far persona 4 has the best story/structure/mechanic of all the games. its kinda like DQ8 where something crystallized for the developers and all the things that make a series unique and "important" if that isnt too too are honed to a killing sharpness

theres a weird cult around the early PS games imo - they kind of suck! they try to accomplish too many things it wasnt unitl P3 that i think the dungeon crawl/RPG/dating sim/game as narrative thing really clicked and P4 improves the formula just a little with a truly compelling murder mystery storyline

c'mon some of you dudes must be playing this!!!!!

Lamp, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:13 (nine years ago) Permalink

the last two persona games have looked so amazing:

Lamp, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

i'm playing P3 and can't stop but have reached the point where i just want to fast forward to the boss battles now. the repetitions getting to me. its too long!

zappi, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

stop fighting and start picking up chix

i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Monday, 19 January 2009 04:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

they never want the presents i give them
whatz a bluehaired emoboy gotta do to get some action, huh :/

zappi, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

psyched for this that I only just learned about

P3 is straight up one of the best looking games ever; the localisation is really sharp too, the writing is GBA fire emblem quality (clean, right amount of goofyness, funny and serious in the right places)

I'm still really early on tho (got into a bit of a mad PS2 game glut), how many floors are there to tartarus?

cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 08:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

as much of a shocking anamoly it is to have duplicate threads on ILG y tf dont u talk about how INSANE and AWESOME theez games are p.s. that other thread kind of sucked

opinions like boss battles should be challenging. P3 is maybe the ultimate in grinding as meditative experience imo alto P4 seems to have cut down on that a little

also: kind of think the stripped down awful-on-purpose battle modes in persona make it one if the most challenging JRPGs to grind since you cant just run a two button script on that ish

i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

i need to get a new ps2 before i can keep playing these games :(

but really people bitch about "grinding" in these games, then they turn around and play fable ii. which i played last night for like 2 hours and got NOWHERE. there's no "grinding" per se but there's a lot of EXCRUCIATINGLY BORING foot travel punctuated by menus that take >30secs to LOAD and a dog occasionally barking and a thought bubble popping up over his head saying there is a treasure or something is buried (meaning you have to go about 15 feet off the beaten path, watch an awful animation, get an item which takes 3 seconds to load, and go back to the trail, making you wonder why they even bother making you leave the beaten path becuase it's not like you get in a fight-- it's just a massive waste of time. why not make the dog bark and then I HAVE THE ITEM? it's the same fucking thing) and then a shitload of people start following you around with hearst over their heads because once you tohught it'd be a good idea to do "victory arm pump" in this city 15 times, and they're all talking, and talking, and talking, and saying the same things, then to escape them you get behind the counter at a bar and for the next 10m you start earning money and you WANNA STOP because it's so boring but you CAN'T because this is the first time in a while you've earned money and you LOSE YOUR MULTIPLIER IF YOU STOP but you have to deal with repetitive button-pressing and EVEN worse repetitive people saying "you're good at pouring beer" or whatever they say and fuck that game fuck that game fuck that game.

&U HAEV MY AXE LOL (Will M.), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

♥♥♥♥♥♥ hahahaha ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 02:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

srlsy man fuk a fable II it suuuuuxxxx

i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 02:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

ok so this game is SO GOOD

finally got time to have a nice sit down with it, my save is at 2hrs11 so far and I've only just got back to tartarus (up to level 3) for the second time -> this game must be massive. but it's gorgeous. so I don't care.

I totally get this btw: "P3 is maybe the ultimate in grinding as meditative experience"

set phasers to stan (cozwn), Thursday, 22 January 2009 19:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

played the jap version of devil survivor v. much looking forward to the eng release... lol not having to check/reset every time u fuse a persona cuts down on the play time by like a third

(Palm) springs sprungs (Lamp), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 16:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

can u smash maya the mmorpg chick cos I'm working on it

cozwn (webinar), Sunday, 9 August 2009 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

devil survivor is rad btw fuiud

cozwn (webinar), Sunday, 9 August 2009 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

~~▪~~~strange journey~~▪~~~~

Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

shin megami evangelion

stupid cover art general video game burnout made this seem like a pass but idk reviews/1st impressions/utbue vidz making me want this. has any1 (coz) copped this????

Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

doesn't seem to be on the r4 gravytrain iirc
still finishing devil survivor, might buy this later

forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

still early on in strange journey but I'm getting deep into fusing demons now. pretty sure I'm going to sink a disgusting amount of hours into this.

original bgm, Monday, 12 April 2010 14:04 (eight years ago) Permalink

diggin the sci-fi/horror hybrid vibe pretty hard

original bgm, Monday, 12 April 2010 14:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

yah i have so many ~deep thoughts~ about this game i just kinda cant help myself & this is the sort of game that gives u that space u sink into it but freely. the demon interactions are still its weakest part (or least the weakest part that isnt part of the c/d of rpgs) theyre inconsistent & frustrating & shallow

Lamp, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

agreed on the demon interactions. v. annoying when the same type of demon reacts to an identical response differently!

original bgm, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

have to say, I know you gotta keep fusing to stay competitive, but I will be missing some of my demon bros.

original bgm, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

as a metal dude, I can't not love this guy:

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/31815/1223514-morax_large.jpg

original bgm, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:58 (eight years ago) Permalink

awesome.

i know i'm late on this but what does the title of this thread refer to, anyway (rad?)

Nhex, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:27 (eight years ago) Permalink

its a play on the title of the book "everything bad is good for you"

have to say, I know you gotta keep fusing to stay competitive, but I will be missing some of my demon bros.

yah you really have no chance but to fuse as much and as quickly as possible in order to finish the later dungeons. im kinda used to being a little lazy about demon mgmt - hanging on to dudes with one skill i really liked or just needed for s.link (obv not a factor) or wanting to avoid paying to resummon them for future fusions but you really need a full component in this game

a little bit stalled btw school and some other things but still hype 4 this

Lamp, Monday, 19 April 2010 18:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

i actually have heard of that book but i thought there was some kind of SMT-related punning going on

Nhex, Monday, 19 April 2010 19:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

yah i think i had some convoluted deep meaning in mind when i started this thread but that was kinda @ the height of my obsession. dont remember what i was referring to lol

most o_O thing for 2day: eo3 is out in jpn

( ª_ª)○º° (Lamp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

ebigfy opening para has sibling synchronicity w/P3 iirc tho it's a while since I read it

Steve Sharta (cozen), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

are any of the 8/16-bit shin megami whatever games worth emulating while i look for a copy of strange journey

thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:59 (six years ago) Permalink

i am oddly fascinated by this blog: http://whatyuwannaknow.tumblr.com/

thomp, Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:09 (six years ago) Permalink

what a great idea!

boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:11 (six years ago) Permalink

http://asktheinvestigationteam.tumblr.com/

is this, like, a thing

thomp, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:45 (six years ago) Permalink

lots of SMT & related news recently
PS1/Saturn game Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers is being remade for 3DS
P3:FES is up for download on the PS3 in US, both Digital Devil Saga games coming next month to EU PS3
Ghostlight are localising Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked 3DS and its DS sequel Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2 in EU

where will i find the time/when will Atlus stop with ports and make a new game dammit

zappi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:22 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

oooh Shin Megami Tensei 4 announced for 3DS
playing thru Strange Journey atm, the demon conversations can get pretty funny

zappi, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 00:10 (six years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

is something weird going on with experience distribution in strange journey or am i missing something

thomp, Thursday, 5 July 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink

I'm playing through P3P on vita, yes I am

killer camel beej (cozen), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:57 (six years ago) Permalink

this game has the biggest disconnect between theme and mechanics of anything i've played since left 4 dead afaict

thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 09:21 (six years ago) Permalink

thomp did you ever emulate any of the old-school SMT games? i fucked around with the fan translations of the first few but never made any real progress.

adam, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:18 (six years ago) Permalink

nah i just decided to order a copy of strange journey. apparently they're a lot more annoying/arbitrary? i feel like the more user-friendly version of this experience is probably all i need for the moment, especially given the more user-friendly version still means running into enemies with a one-hit instant kill game over for a couple of hours before you can do anything to avoid it

thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:21 (six years ago) Permalink

avoiding the majority of random encounters by talking to demons is a pretty good mechanic

dark rooms you can't automap is kind of an annoying one

thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:22 (six years ago) Permalink

"Yes, the Shibboleth ...
You pronounce it well, Zelenin."

thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:36 (six years ago) Permalink

rmde

thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:36 (six years ago) Permalink

i gave my dude a polack name in this and have found myself getting more and more resentful of how the fn WASPs on board the red stripe keep expecting the ethnic minorities to do all the work

thomp, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:54 (six years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Buncha these are on sale for 3ds. I'm just wondering if the Soul Hackers or DDS Overclocked are actually worth picking up thru the 3ds

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Friday, 16 January 2015 08:19 (three years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

new Persona 5 trailer, looking and sounding good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_9r4wifFc

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 5 February 2015 13:15 (three years ago) Permalink

came here to post this too haha

the angles/etc during many of the scenes are very Catherine

otm rcuise (Will M.), Thursday, 5 February 2015 15:50 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

no surprise that P5 has been delayed, now coming out "Summer 2016" ... maybe.
new trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvpOwQaqRXA

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 17 September 2015 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

I was getting frustrated 50 hours into P2: Innocent Sin when I was in what was clearly the final dungeon for forever and the difficulty suddenly jumped into the stratosphere and I was randomly encountering one-hit-killers like 2/3 of the time and using up all of my unreplenishable items, and I was seriously about to pack it in but I stuck it out until the end and I'm glad I did because the penultimate boss was (spoilerz) Hitler. Sorry, 'Fuhrer'. But seriously: Hitler. Followed by Nyarlathotep. So that was dece.

I think I'm going to take a break before hitting the second P2 though.

Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 02:06 (two years ago) Permalink

have you started a confidant relationship with Yusuke?

every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 September 2018 19:53 (two months ago) Permalink

yep! i hung out w him once and he offered to do something w blank cards but i was like *geh* and left

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 23 September 2018 21:35 (two months ago) Permalink

I've never needed them tbh

every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 September 2018 22:20 (two months ago) Permalink

I've read some people complaining about the Instant Kill ability for your party members -- is it bad enough to gimp them deliberately?

Nag Reddit (Leee), Monday, 24 September 2018 20:18 (two months ago) Permalink

what does that mean

i have a few spells that offer the chance of instakill but frankly some of the shadows have instakill too so it only seems fair

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:00 (two months ago) Permalink

I guess only Ryuji has an instakill ability, which kicks in when you try to ambush lower level enemies, but doesn't give XP or money.

Possibly minor spoilers in here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/835628-persona-5/75389564

Nag Reddit (Leee), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:14 (two months ago) Permalink

i don't like it cos i like to grind but it kicks in v rarely, also i guess you can just keep Ryuji out of the starting line-up?

every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:23 (two months ago) Permalink

Good call there re: Ryuji.

I'm up to the fifth palace but apparently I have yet to master the art of figuring out the attack types of the strongest enemies and equipping a persona that mitigates that type of damage (I wiped last night and lost an hour of crawling).

Nag Reddit (Leee), Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:44 (two months ago) Permalink

lol i went down a level too far in Mementos two days ago and got my ass HANDED to me.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:49 (two months ago) Permalink

omg the casino music is so good.

Nag Reddit (Leee), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:52 (two months ago) Permalink

Just finished the 6th palace and dang the narrative wrinkle manages to be pretty awesome when it could've been contrived.

Deontology Sanders (Leee), Sunday, 7 October 2018 08:45 (two months ago) Permalink

trying to get all the trophies now but there are 2, maybe 3, that are stupidly difficult to the point of maybe not bothering

Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 08:55 (two months ago) Permalink

For real!?

Tracer, how far into the game are you?

Deontology Sanders (Leee), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:14 (two months ago) Permalink

lol @ "for real"

I'm in the outer space palace now, the one belonging to the trumpian burger lord

i just bought SP adhesive 3 and am romancing both the doctor and the shogi player (naughty!)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:17 (two months ago) Permalink

In one session I've got 2 of those trophies but the last one is going to drive me nuts because it comes down to a broken, stupid button combo.

Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:19 (two months ago) Permalink

I romanced all the romanceable characters on my last game. Felt guilty, but then I feel guilty when I tell them we're just friends too.

Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:21 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm in the outer space palace now, the one belonging to the trumpian burger lord

i just bought SP adhesive 3 and am romancing both the doctor and the shogi player (naughty!)

lol "Burger Lord." I like that palace mostly for its Daleks.

SP Adhesives are game changers. (I did end up buying 4 because I didn't like having to equip/unequip all the time.)

Deontology Sanders (Leee), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:53 (two months ago) Permalink

Kaneshiro's the closest to Trump imo

Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:01 (two months ago) Permalink

Personally, I thought Bezos was a closer analogue to Okumura.

Deontology Sanders (Leee), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Seems reasonable. Shido isn't Trumplike at all, apart from being a nazi.

Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Just passed 100 hours. Feels like half of that came from the 7th palace.

Catherine Power (Leee), Monday, 15 October 2018 15:59 (one month ago) Permalink

Hooboy, the last mini-boss (who isn't really a mini-boss) in said palace... I kept forgetting to heal/restore SP between fights when I had the chance, so I needed 3 tries to beat that part.

Catherine Power (Leee), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm crawling through Mementos for end-game prep and read up on the Reaper farming trick, which seems to break the game. The only reason I might keep doing it is to create an untouchable Persona for the NG+ optional boss, but I wonder if that's even worth it?

Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:04 (one month ago) Permalink

i used it on my third go thru, partly because beating the Reaper is one of the achievements and it's the only way to do it, partly because i wanted to beat the NG+ boss(es). you can do it to the degree of moderation you want, it's probably the best way to be able to fuse some of the rarer high level personae too.

the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:23 (one month ago) Permalink

my first go of P3 feels considerably harder than P5 in some ways, not least the dungeons

the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Yoshitsune is probably enough for the secret boss, you don't need a 100% invulnerable persona. i did abuse the reaper trick in ng+ but that was because i wanted to 100% the compendium (and don't recall if i actually did it or not)

i'm no smt expert but of the few i've played p5 seemed the most forgiving

chihuahuau, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:38 (one month ago) Permalink

OK I'm about to start finals and, as I understand it, after that I can finally fuse Yoshitsune. I've managed to max all my social stats, I've maxed 2/3s of my confidants (or will once the I reach the date for the story ones), I'll have 300K-400K yen, and I've managed to fuse Trumpeter, Throne, and Black Frost, plus I've got a Siegfried with Null (or Evade) Nuke (I keep wanting to put a magic skill on him but I don't have any appealing skill cards).

When this game is good, it is rad.

Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Having maxed Ryuji and then Reaper farming to level 77, I can say now that his instakill ability is totally annoying. If I have open persona slots, then I automatically get that persona, whether or not they're in my compendium, but when I'm full up, the game just sez that I can't recruit that persona and doesn't even give me the option to choose a persona to set free.

Anyway, I fused Yoshi, and also Satan even though his elemental resistances are kind of underwhelming.

Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Friday, 26 October 2018 17:12 (one month ago) Permalink

hassou tobi your way to victory

chihuahuau, Friday, 26 October 2018 18:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Beat it last night! Felt bad (really bad) standing up Hifumi on Valentine's, but Mako-chan seems like the game's canonical romance.

Can't wait to start NG+!

Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Saturday, 27 October 2018 16:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Hah and I wasn't able to level Yoshi enough to get Hassou Tobi. 😐

Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Saturday, 27 October 2018 16:50 (one month ago) Permalink

if they're not going to give us P5 on switch, can they at least give us P4 golden and P3 FES ?

||||||||, Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:05 (one month ago) Permalink

lol the dog

the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 November 2018 13:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I started NG+ (main goal is to max all confidants this time), but dang @ how long the game takes to let go of your hand is maddening. Otoh murdering Palace 1 enemies with Yoshi is very satisfying.

I Got Stopped By a Lady Cop on my Automobileee (Leee), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:55 (one month ago) Permalink

I also have been eyeing P4, $10 on PS3 seems worthwhile.

I Got Stopped By a Lady Cop on my Automobileee (Leee), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Not available in the UK :(

Only 120 hours into P3 tho so no rush

two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 November 2018 21:03 (one month ago) Permalink

Finished the main game. Damn these people know how to push my emo buttons.

Danton Lok (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 16:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i'm finally playing persona 4

it's cool how unlike anything else this still is despite a decade of being an Influential Game

ciderpress, Monday, 26 November 2018 02:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

are these games a fixed length in in game days or will doing the cases sooner than i have to cause me to miss out on free time?

ciderpress, Monday, 26 November 2018 17:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

No, it just frees you up to work on your stats, social links etc

Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 November 2018 18:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

ok that's what i figured just wanted to make sure since my inclination is to rush the first case so i have a full party

ciderpress, Monday, 26 November 2018 19:16 (two weeks ago) Permalink

iirc the december one should be delayed as much as possible because unlike the previous cases you do miss out on free time. for all others it's better to rush asap because s-links will refuse to hang out when close to the deadline

chihuahuau, Monday, 26 November 2018 21:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ladies, if he:

-Never texts you first
-Never uses his real name
-Claims a house cat "insists" he sleep after a single task
-Hardly says two words at a time

He's not your man. He's Joker and is probs dating all your friends too and you should all attack him on Valentine's Day

— Erika Harlacher (@ErikaHarlacher) November 26, 2018

Newsted joins this band and quickly he’s subdued (Leee), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

finished the first case, the boss took 3 tries bc the second time i played it perfectly until the last couple rounds where i tried to swap out to a weaker persona for one turn to use its cure spell and the MC immediately got one-shot due to the lower stats. pretty dumb

ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 15:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the dungeons are definitely the weakest link here, i know attritiony dungeon crawlers are atlus's thing and they need to be long enough that they become an element of the time management game rather than being clearable in a day but still. theyre real long for how featureless they are.

ciderpress, Monday, 3 December 2018 01:45 (one week ago) Permalink

the soul is both infinite and monotonous

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:21 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah at the same time i can't imagine how i'd change them in keeping with the game

ciderpress, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:31 (one week ago) Permalink

i cant remember much about the P4 dungeons which sort of makes your point for you. the dungeon stuff is definitely less evocative than tartarus was in P3 but i do remember thinking some of the visual stuff was interesting. idk

the fan-made edit of P3FES posted on youtube thats just all the anime cutscenes is the best anime ever made imo

(° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:37 (one week ago) Permalink

i'll play 3 at some point. my only real exposure to persona before this was watching my college roommate play 3 when it first came out, i don't really remember much about it though other than that it had roughly the same presentation as this

ciderpress, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:07 (one week ago) Permalink

ok i spent an entire play session grinding last night so i think they've finally got me

ciderpress, Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:20 (six days ago) Permalink


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