okay so i think czn is playing persona 3 aka one of the best games ever and i'm playing through P4 right now and i'd like to talk to you dudes about this a^+ series of JAPENESE VIDEO CONSOLE GAME EXPERIENCES
so let's talk then
― Lamp, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:07 (ten years ago) Permalink
so i think so far persona 4 has the best story/structure/mechanic of all the games. its kinda like DQ8 where something crystallized for the developers and all the things that make a series unique and "important" if that isnt too too are honed to a killing sharpness
theres a weird cult around the early PS games imo - they kind of suck! they try to accomplish too many things it wasnt unitl P3 that i think the dungeon crawl/RPG/dating sim/game as narrative thing really clicked and P4 improves the formula just a little with a truly compelling murder mystery storyline
c'mon some of you dudes must be playing this!!!!!
― Lamp, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:13 (ten years ago) Permalink
the last two persona games have looked so amazing:
― Lamp, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:16 (ten years ago) Permalink
i'm playing P3 and can't stop but have reached the point where i just want to fast forward to the boss battles now. the repetitions getting to me. its too long!
― zappi, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:29 (ten years ago) Permalink
stop fighting and start picking up chix
― i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Monday, 19 January 2009 04:32 (ten years ago) Permalink
they never want the presents i give themwhatz a bluehaired emoboy gotta do to get some action, huh :/
― zappi, Monday, 19 January 2009 04:35 (ten years ago) Permalink
psyched for this that I only just learned about
P3 is straight up one of the best looking games ever; the localisation is really sharp too, the writing is GBA fire emblem quality (clean, right amount of goofyness, funny and serious in the right places)
I'm still really early on tho (got into a bit of a mad PS2 game glut), how many floors are there to tartarus?
― cozwn, Monday, 19 January 2009 08:33 (ten years ago) Permalink
Kids, shoot yourself in the head and gain super powers! The SMT / Megaten / Persona thread... now I'm that guy :(
― &U HAEV MY AXE LOL (Will M.), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:22 (ten years ago) Permalink
as much of a shocking anamoly it is to have duplicate threads on ILG y tf dont u talk about how INSANE and AWESOME theez games are p.s. that other thread kind of sucked
opinions like boss battles should be challenging. P3 is maybe the ultimate in grinding as meditative experience imo alto P4 seems to have cut down on that a little
also: kind of think the stripped down awful-on-purpose battle modes in persona make it one if the most challenging JRPGs to grind since you cant just run a two button script on that ish
― i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:31 (ten years ago) Permalink
i need to get a new ps2 before i can keep playing these games :(
but really people bitch about "grinding" in these games, then they turn around and play fable ii. which i played last night for like 2 hours and got NOWHERE. there's no "grinding" per se but there's a lot of EXCRUCIATINGLY BORING foot travel punctuated by menus that take >30secs to LOAD and a dog occasionally barking and a thought bubble popping up over his head saying there is a treasure or something is buried (meaning you have to go about 15 feet off the beaten path, watch an awful animation, get an item which takes 3 seconds to load, and go back to the trail, making you wonder why they even bother making you leave the beaten path becuase it's not like you get in a fight-- it's just a massive waste of time. why not make the dog bark and then I HAVE THE ITEM? it's the same fucking thing) and then a shitload of people start following you around with hearst over their heads because once you tohught it'd be a good idea to do "victory arm pump" in this city 15 times, and they're all talking, and talking, and talking, and saying the same things, then to escape them you get behind the counter at a bar and for the next 10m you start earning money and you WANNA STOP because it's so boring but you CAN'T because this is the first time in a while you've earned money and you LOSE YOUR MULTIPLIER IF YOU STOP but you have to deal with repetitive button-pressing and EVEN worse repetitive people saying "you're good at pouring beer" or whatever they say and fuck that game fuck that game fuck that game.
― &U HAEV MY AXE LOL (Will M.), Monday, 19 January 2009 19:02 (ten years ago) Permalink
♥♥♥♥♥♥ hahahaha ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
― i'm a black mage, kid. i'll ice you (Lamp), Tuesday, 20 January 2009 02:54 (ten years ago) Permalink
srlsy man fuk a fable II it suuuuuxxxx
ok so this game is SO GOOD
finally got time to have a nice sit down with it, my save is at 2hrs11 so far and I've only just got back to tartarus (up to level 3) for the second time -> this game must be massive. but it's gorgeous. so I don't care.
I totally get this btw: "P3 is maybe the ultimate in grinding as meditative experience"
― set phasers to stan (cozwn), Thursday, 22 January 2009 19:32 (ten years ago) Permalink
played the jap version of devil survivor v. much looking forward to the eng release... lol not having to check/reset every time u fuse a persona cuts down on the play time by like a third
― (Palm) springs sprungs (Lamp), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 16:37 (nine years ago) Permalink
can u smash maya the mmorpg chick cos I'm working on it
― cozwn (webinar), Sunday, 9 August 2009 20:54 (nine years ago) Permalink
devil survivor is rad btw fuiud
~~▪~~~strange journey~~▪~~~~
― Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:42 (nine years ago) Permalink
shin megami evangelion
stupid cover art general video game burnout made this seem like a pass but idk reviews/1st impressions/utbue vidz making me want this. has any1 (coz) copped this????
― Lamp, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:45 (nine years ago) Permalink
doesn't seem to be on the r4 gravytrain iircstill finishing devil survivor, might buy this later
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 16:55 (nine years ago) Permalink
still early on in strange journey but I'm getting deep into fusing demons now. pretty sure I'm going to sink a disgusting amount of hours into this.
― original bgm, Monday, 12 April 2010 14:04 (nine years ago) Permalink
diggin the sci-fi/horror hybrid vibe pretty hard
― original bgm, Monday, 12 April 2010 14:08 (nine years ago) Permalink
yah i have so many ~deep thoughts~ about this game i just kinda cant help myself & this is the sort of game that gives u that space u sink into it but freely. the demon interactions are still its weakest part (or least the weakest part that isnt part of the c/d of rpgs) theyre inconsistent & frustrating & shallow
― Lamp, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 18:21 (nine years ago) Permalink
agreed on the demon interactions. v. annoying when the same type of demon reacts to an identical response differently!
― original bgm, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:38 (nine years ago) Permalink
have to say, I know you gotta keep fusing to stay competitive, but I will be missing some of my demon bros.
― original bgm, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:40 (nine years ago) Permalink
as a metal dude, I can't not love this guy:
http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/3/31815/1223514-morax_large.jpg
― original bgm, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 00:58 (nine years ago) Permalink
awesome.
i know i'm late on this but what does the title of this thread refer to, anyway (rad?)
― Nhex, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:27 (nine years ago) Permalink
its a play on the title of the book "everything bad is good for you"
yah you really have no chance but to fuse as much and as quickly as possible in order to finish the later dungeons. im kinda used to being a little lazy about demon mgmt - hanging on to dudes with one skill i really liked or just needed for s.link (obv not a factor) or wanting to avoid paying to resummon them for future fusions but you really need a full component in this game
a little bit stalled btw school and some other things but still hype 4 this
― Lamp, Monday, 19 April 2010 18:49 (nine years ago) Permalink
i actually have heard of that book but i thought there was some kind of SMT-related punning going on
― Nhex, Monday, 19 April 2010 19:36 (nine years ago) Permalink
yah i think i had some convoluted deep meaning in mind when i started this thread but that was kinda @ the height of my obsession. dont remember what i was referring to lol
most o_O thing for 2day: eo3 is out in jpn
― ( ª_ª)○º° (Lamp), Tuesday, 20 April 2010 16:25 (nine years ago) Permalink
ebigfy opening para has sibling synchronicity w/P3 iirc tho it's a while since I read it
― Steve Sharta (cozen), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 19:50 (nine years ago) Permalink
are any of the 8/16-bit shin megami whatever games worth emulating while i look for a copy of strange journey
― thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 17:59 (seven years ago) Permalink
i am oddly fascinated by this blog: http://whatyuwannaknow.tumblr.com/
― thomp, Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:09 (seven years ago) Permalink
what a great idea!
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 15 April 2012 00:11 (seven years ago) Permalink
http://asktheinvestigationteam.tumblr.com/
is this, like, a thing
― thomp, Tuesday, 17 April 2012 01:45 (seven years ago) Permalink
lots of SMT & related news recentlyPS1/Saturn game Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers is being remade for 3DSP3:FES is up for download on the PS3 in US, both Digital Devil Saga games coming next month to EU PS3Ghostlight are localising Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor Overclocked 3DS and its DS sequel Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2 in EU
where will i find the time/when will Atlus stop with ports and make a new game dammit
― zappi, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 16:22 (six years ago) Permalink
oooh Shin Megami Tensei 4 announced for 3DSplaying thru Strange Journey atm, the demon conversations can get pretty funny
― zappi, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 00:10 (six years ago) Permalink
is something weird going on with experience distribution in strange journey or am i missing something
― thomp, Thursday, 5 July 2012 16:25 (six years ago) Permalink
I'm playing through P3P on vita, yes I am
― killer camel beej (cozen), Thursday, 5 July 2012 20:57 (six years ago) Permalink
this game has the biggest disconnect between theme and mechanics of anything i've played since left 4 dead afaict
― thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 09:21 (six years ago) Permalink
thomp did you ever emulate any of the old-school SMT games? i fucked around with the fan translations of the first few but never made any real progress.
― adam, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:18 (six years ago) Permalink
nah i just decided to order a copy of strange journey. apparently they're a lot more annoying/arbitrary? i feel like the more user-friendly version of this experience is probably all i need for the moment, especially given the more user-friendly version still means running into enemies with a one-hit instant kill game over for a couple of hours before you can do anything to avoid it
― thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:21 (six years ago) Permalink
avoiding the majority of random encounters by talking to demons is a pretty good mechanic
dark rooms you can't automap is kind of an annoying one
― thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 12:22 (six years ago) Permalink
"Yes, the Shibboleth ...You pronounce it well, Zelenin."
― thomp, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:36 (six years ago) Permalink
rmde
i gave my dude a polack name in this and have found myself getting more and more resentful of how the fn WASPs on board the red stripe keep expecting the ethnic minorities to do all the work
― thomp, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 10:54 (six years ago) Permalink
Buncha these are on sale for 3ds. I'm just wondering if the Soul Hackers or DDS Overclocked are actually worth picking up thru the 3ds
― Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Friday, 16 January 2015 08:19 (four years ago) Permalink
new Persona 5 trailer, looking and sounding good!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc_9r4wifFc
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 5 February 2015 13:15 (four years ago) Permalink
came here to post this too haha
the angles/etc during many of the scenes are very Catherine
― otm rcuise (Will M.), Thursday, 5 February 2015 15:50 (four years ago) Permalink
no surprise that P5 has been delayed, now coming out "Summer 2016" ... maybe. new trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvpOwQaqRXA
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 17 September 2015 13:21 (three years ago) Permalink
I was getting frustrated 50 hours into P2: Innocent Sin when I was in what was clearly the final dungeon for forever and the difficulty suddenly jumped into the stratosphere and I was randomly encountering one-hit-killers like 2/3 of the time and using up all of my unreplenishable items, and I was seriously about to pack it in but I stuck it out until the end and I'm glad I did because the penultimate boss was (spoilerz) Hitler. Sorry, 'Fuhrer'. But seriously: Hitler. Followed by Nyarlathotep. So that was dece.
I think I'm going to take a break before hitting the second P2 though.
― Your Ass Is Grass And I Will Mow It With My Face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 02:06 (two years ago) Permalink
I've read some people complaining about the Instant Kill ability for your party members -- is it bad enough to gimp them deliberately?
― Nag Reddit (Leee), Monday, 24 September 2018 20:18 (six months ago) Permalink
what does that mean
i have a few spells that offer the chance of instakill but frankly some of the shadows have instakill too so it only seems fair
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:00 (six months ago) Permalink
I guess only Ryuji has an instakill ability, which kicks in when you try to ambush lower level enemies, but doesn't give XP or money.
Possibly minor spoilers in here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/835628-persona-5/75389564
― Nag Reddit (Leee), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:14 (six months ago) Permalink
i don't like it cos i like to grind but it kicks in v rarely, also i guess you can just keep Ryuji out of the starting line-up?
― every day there's a whining choad (Noodle Vague), Monday, 24 September 2018 21:23 (six months ago) Permalink
Good call there re: Ryuji.
I'm up to the fifth palace but apparently I have yet to master the art of figuring out the attack types of the strongest enemies and equipping a persona that mitigates that type of damage (I wiped last night and lost an hour of crawling).
― Nag Reddit (Leee), Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:44 (six months ago) Permalink
lol i went down a level too far in Mementos two days ago and got my ass HANDED to me.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:49 (six months ago) Permalink
omg the casino music is so good.
― Nag Reddit (Leee), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:52 (six months ago) Permalink
Just finished the 6th palace and dang the narrative wrinkle manages to be pretty awesome when it could've been contrived.
― Deontology Sanders (Leee), Sunday, 7 October 2018 08:45 (six months ago) Permalink
trying to get all the trophies now but there are 2, maybe 3, that are stupidly difficult to the point of maybe not bothering
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 08:55 (six months ago) Permalink
For real!?
Tracer, how far into the game are you?
― Deontology Sanders (Leee), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:14 (six months ago) Permalink
lol @ "for real"I'm in the outer space palace now, the one belonging to the trumpian burger lordi just bought SP adhesive 3 and am romancing both the doctor and the shogi player (naughty!)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:17 (six months ago) Permalink
In one session I've got 2 of those trophies but the last one is going to drive me nuts because it comes down to a broken, stupid button combo.
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:19 (six months ago) Permalink
I romanced all the romanceable characters on my last game. Felt guilty, but then I feel guilty when I tell them we're just friends too.
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 7 October 2018 19:21 (six months ago) Permalink
I'm in the outer space palace now, the one belonging to the trumpian burger lordi just bought SP adhesive 3 and am romancing both the doctor and the shogi player (naughty!)
i just bought SP adhesive 3 and am romancing both the doctor and the shogi player (naughty!)
lol "Burger Lord." I like that palace mostly for its Daleks.
SP Adhesives are game changers. (I did end up buying 4 because I didn't like having to equip/unequip all the time.)
― Deontology Sanders (Leee), Monday, 8 October 2018 19:53 (six months ago) Permalink
Kaneshiro's the closest to Trump imo
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:01 (six months ago) Permalink
Personally, I thought Bezos was a closer analogue to Okumura.
― Deontology Sanders (Leee), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:22 (six months ago) Permalink
Seems reasonable. Shido isn't Trumplike at all, apart from being a nazi.
― Leon Carrotsky (Noodle Vague), Monday, 8 October 2018 20:26 (six months ago) Permalink
Just passed 100 hours. Feels like half of that came from the 7th palace.
― Catherine Power (Leee), Monday, 15 October 2018 15:59 (six months ago) Permalink
Hooboy, the last mini-boss (who isn't really a mini-boss) in said palace... I kept forgetting to heal/restore SP between fights when I had the chance, so I needed 3 tries to beat that part.
― Catherine Power (Leee), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:50 (six months ago) Permalink
I'm crawling through Mementos for end-game prep and read up on the Reaper farming trick, which seems to break the game. The only reason I might keep doing it is to create an untouchable Persona for the NG+ optional boss, but I wonder if that's even worth it?
― Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:04 (five months ago) Permalink
i used it on my third go thru, partly because beating the Reaper is one of the achievements and it's the only way to do it, partly because i wanted to beat the NG+ boss(es). you can do it to the degree of moderation you want, it's probably the best way to be able to fuse some of the rarer high level personae too.
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:23 (five months ago) Permalink
my first go of P3 feels considerably harder than P5 in some ways, not least the dungeons
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:24 (five months ago) Permalink
Yoshitsune is probably enough for the secret boss, you don't need a 100% invulnerable persona. i did abuse the reaper trick in ng+ but that was because i wanted to 100% the compendium (and don't recall if i actually did it or not)
i'm no smt expert but of the few i've played p5 seemed the most forgiving
― chihuahuau, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 20:38 (five months ago) Permalink
OK I'm about to start finals and, as I understand it, after that I can finally fuse Yoshitsune. I've managed to max all my social stats, I've maxed 2/3s of my confidants (or will once the I reach the date for the story ones), I'll have 300K-400K yen, and I've managed to fuse Trumpeter, Throne, and Black Frost, plus I've got a Siegfried with Null (or Evade) Nuke (I keep wanting to put a magic skill on him but I don't have any appealing skill cards).
When this game is good, it is rad.
― Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:51 (five months ago) Permalink
Having maxed Ryuji and then Reaper farming to level 77, I can say now that his instakill ability is totally annoying. If I have open persona slots, then I automatically get that persona, whether or not they're in my compendium, but when I'm full up, the game just sez that I can't recruit that persona and doesn't even give me the option to choose a persona to set free.
Anyway, I fused Yoshi, and also Satan even though his elemental resistances are kind of underwhelming.
― Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Friday, 26 October 2018 17:12 (five months ago) Permalink
hassou tobi your way to victory
― chihuahuau, Friday, 26 October 2018 18:18 (five months ago) Permalink
Beat it last night! Felt bad (really bad) standing up Hifumi on Valentine's, but Mako-chan seems like the game's canonical romance.
Can't wait to start NG+!
― Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Saturday, 27 October 2018 16:49 (five months ago) Permalink
Hah and I wasn't able to level Yoshi enough to get Hassou Tobi. 😐
― Is Guardians of the Galaxy worse than it used to be? (Leee), Saturday, 27 October 2018 16:50 (five months ago) Permalink
if they're not going to give us P5 on switch, can they at least give us P4 golden and P3 FES ?
― ||||||||, Saturday, 27 October 2018 19:05 (five months ago) Permalink
lol the dog
― the Warnock of Clodhop Mountain (Noodle Vague), Friday, 2 November 2018 13:03 (five months ago) Permalink
I started NG+ (main goal is to max all confidants this time), but dang @ how long the game takes to let go of your hand is maddening. Otoh murdering Palace 1 enemies with Yoshi is very satisfying.
― I Got Stopped By a Lady Cop on my Automobileee (Leee), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:55 (five months ago) Permalink
I also have been eyeing P4, $10 on PS3 seems worthwhile.
― I Got Stopped By a Lady Cop on my Automobileee (Leee), Monday, 12 November 2018 19:57 (five months ago) Permalink
Not available in the UK :(
Only 120 hours into P3 tho so no rush
― two Barongs don't make a Wight (Noodle Vague), Monday, 12 November 2018 21:03 (five months ago) Permalink
Finished the main game. Damn these people know how to push my emo buttons.
― Danton Lok (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 16:50 (five months ago) Permalink
i'm finally playing persona 4
it's cool how unlike anything else this still is despite a decade of being an Influential Game
― ciderpress, Monday, 26 November 2018 02:31 (four months ago) Permalink
are these games a fixed length in in game days or will doing the cases sooner than i have to cause me to miss out on free time?
― ciderpress, Monday, 26 November 2018 17:39 (four months ago) Permalink
No, it just frees you up to work on your stats, social links etc
― Bound 4 da Remoan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 November 2018 18:55 (four months ago) Permalink
ok that's what i figured just wanted to make sure since my inclination is to rush the first case so i have a full party
― ciderpress, Monday, 26 November 2018 19:16 (four months ago) Permalink
iirc the december one should be delayed as much as possible because unlike the previous cases you do miss out on free time. for all others it's better to rush asap because s-links will refuse to hang out when close to the deadline
― chihuahuau, Monday, 26 November 2018 21:52 (four months ago) Permalink
Ladies, if he:-Never texts you first-Never uses his real name-Claims a house cat "insists" he sleep after a single task-Hardly says two words at a timeHe's not your man. He's Joker and is probs dating all your friends too and you should all attack him on Valentine's Day— Erika Harlacher (@ErikaHarlacher) November 26, 2018
― Newsted joins this band and quickly he’s subdued (Leee), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:23 (four months ago) Permalink
finished the first case, the boss took 3 tries bc the second time i played it perfectly until the last couple rounds where i tried to swap out to a weaker persona for one turn to use its cure spell and the MC immediately got one-shot due to the lower stats. pretty dumb
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 15:14 (four months ago) Permalink
the dungeons are definitely the weakest link here, i know attritiony dungeon crawlers are atlus's thing and they need to be long enough that they become an element of the time management game rather than being clearable in a day but still. theyre real long for how featureless they are.
― ciderpress, Monday, 3 December 2018 01:45 (four months ago) Permalink
the soul is both infinite and monotonous
― (° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:21 (four months ago) Permalink
yeah at the same time i can't imagine how i'd change them in keeping with the game
― ciderpress, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:31 (four months ago) Permalink
i cant remember much about the P4 dungeons which sort of makes your point for you. the dungeon stuff is definitely less evocative than tartarus was in P3 but i do remember thinking some of the visual stuff was interesting. idk
the fan-made edit of P3FES posted on youtube thats just all the anime cutscenes is the best anime ever made imo
― (° . ° )― (Lamp), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:37 (four months ago) Permalink
i'll play 3 at some point. my only real exposure to persona before this was watching my college roommate play 3 when it first came out, i don't really remember much about it though other than that it had roughly the same presentation as this
― ciderpress, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:07 (four months ago) Permalink
ok i spent an entire play session grinding last night so i think they've finally got me
― ciderpress, Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:20 (four months ago) Permalink
i beat what seemed to be the final boss but its still going so i guess theres a postgame
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 02:18 (four months ago) Permalink
postgame bonus dungeon seems obnoxious but i guess i'll do it since i've come this far
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 05:18 (four months ago) Permalink
finished the game w/ the true ending. enjoyed it overall but its exhaustingly long and kinda drags in bits especially the summer months. i could imagine this being my favorite rpg if i had played it 10 years ago but today it just lands at pretty good. will def play 3 and 5 at some point but not right away
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:46 (four months ago) Permalink