What the fuck is this: Castlevania SOTN is now going for like $70?!!

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Seriously, the thing was a budget re-issue not too long ago! I think we might even still have it at the house! This isn't any Rez shit, this was a mass produced franchise title!

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Ugh, I let a friend borrow this about 5 years ago, and forgot about it. About a year ago, I realized I could sell the thing on eBay and make some cash, so I called the friend. He had lost it. *Slaps forehead*

Zachary S (Zach S), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i sold my copy to gamestop last year. they gave me $30 for it.

Christopher Costello (CGC), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link

It's coming out for Xbox Live Arcade at some point.

adam (adam), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

This isn't any Rez shit, this was a mass produced franchise title!

FFVII going for about that much last I checked.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 00:52 (thirteen years ago) link

^haha are you serious?

About a year ago, I realized I could sell the thing on eBay and make some cash, so I called the friend. He had lost it. *Slaps forehead*

"lost it"

webber (webber), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah #1 hit on froogle for FFVII is 70 bucks.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, SOTN is coming out for PSP (hahaha!) along with Dracula X, not like that's any consolation.

I don't see why they couldn't keep the big PS1 games in print. People still want to buy them, obv.

Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck it; this is now my Castlevania thread.

Am currently playing Aria of Sorrow, having beaten Harmony of Dissonance last week. I also picked up Circle of the Moon over the weekend, but it's used and a bit dodgy. Still, the cart is rare enough that i'm going to hang on to the thing.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link

also, Ayami Kojima's bishonen art style is fucking annoying. The anime-style used the DS looks far less cloying.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I sold my copy for $80 (canadian) a year ago.

a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i never played a castlevania game before, which should i start with??

rio natsume (rio natsume), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link

The early ones are standard platformers, with the exception of 2 which has RPG elements but is hugely flawed. SOTN reinvented the series, making it more like the Metroid games. Fansites seem to still think SOTN is the best. The best games coming out in the series are currently the portable ones -- I recommend the first and third GBA ones, but I haven't played the DS ones yet.

a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin are all fucking great. Circle of the Moon is a little weaker, as is Harmony of Dissonance. I've still never played SOTN.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

A PS1 mod chip is like ten bucks.

JUST SAYYYIINGGGG. don't steal

Will M. (Will M.), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Simon's Quest was always one of my faves, for some reason. Getting it for christmas one year after i'd rented it earlier and beating it that day was a bit off-putting.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I have a friend who decided to 'collect' PS1 games some time ago... apparently he'll even pay more for 'Black' copies of games like this and FFVII (not the re-release 'green' ones). COLLECTORS. *eyeroll*

He paid $110 for FFVII.

Will M. (Will M.), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Aria of Sorrow, Dawn of Sorrow and Portrait of Ruin are all fucking great

Yeah, I think these are the three I've played, I love these games.

AB, how is C2 hugely flawed? Not that I disagree, but it's been years.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

does anyone else have memories of the first time you realized that "alucard" was "dracula" backwards, or am i the only one retarded enought to have beaten the whole game without getting that?

max (maxreax), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

final fantasy 7 is the reichstag fire of rpgs

UART variations (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost

I think someone had to tell me before I got it, but I hadn't really played it much yet at that point

Will M. (Will M.), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

The early ones are standard platformers, with the exception of 2 which has RPG elements but is hugely flawed.

Castlevania III is pretty great. I bought it about a year ago, and play it off and on every month or so, getting a little farther each time.

Zachary S (Zach S), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link

III i never really played. I have this odd memory of hating the orangey-blue NES palette, as opposed to the magenta & grey of Simon's Quest.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link

AB, how is C2 hugely flawed? Not that I disagree, but it's been years.

It's standard trial-and-error, talk to everyone, "lots of places to go, only one correct order to visit them" garbage, but also adds in an annoying day/night system and some 'puzzles' you'd have to be psychic to figure out. (disclaimer: I didn't get halfway through it, so maybe it improves later on)

a.b. (alanbanana), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link

$110 for FFVII? Holy shit, does this mean all my crap PS RPGs are worth something? (Suikoden, Xenogears et. al.)

Grell (Grell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link

SOTN is a wicked game, though. My teenage self loved the soundtrack.

Grell (Grell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link

suikoden goes for mad $$$ on ebay. how was castlevania 64? and the snes one?

rio natsume (rio natsume), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Super CV 4: standard platformer. had good graphics for the time. excellent music

CV 64: players hate it, and the CV creators have pretty much disowned it. if you still want to play it, get legacy of darkness instead.

The CV Dungeon is an excellent resource for the series: http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/dungeon.html

a.b. (alanbanana), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 13:00 (thirteen years ago) link

$110 for FFVII? Holy shit, does this mean all my crap PS RPGs are worth something? (Suikoden, Xenogears et. al.)

Holy shit yes, esp. if you have Suik 2.

Will M. (Will M.), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Ok, finally beat AoS. Why does the 2ndary character in all these games not get any stats, inventory, etc

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 February 2007 07:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Found a copy of Rondo of Blood & a PC Engine emulator. This game is funky; it borrows art from SQ and Castlevania IV, plus plenty of familiar baddies show up, usually with the exact same animation of later games.

lotsa late SNES/Genesis-era anime, too

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 9 February 2007 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
The big game & hobby shop has this for $35, which really isn't all that bad, but i'm used to seeing in CD Universe & other places for like $10.

kingfish, Sunday, 25 February 2007 08:51 (thirteen years ago) link

aw man why are all these ps1 games so expensive, I missed out on all of them cuz i didn't have a playstation. and i wanna play them! Like I checked the prices for Suikoden 2 and it's going for about $150! And then I remember that that's American dollars and so it's even more than I intuitively thought at first. ;_;

aaron d.g., Sunday, 4 March 2007 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link

oh hey mr. banana, i just read your email! (sorry I don't check it very often.) Yes I am Canadian, and am interested in buying Metal Gear Solid (I've always wanted to play that!) I've never actually bought anything off Amazon Marketplace before, but I now realize that it is a world of opportunity.

It might be a week or two before I actually buy, 'cause i have lots of games right now that are already occupying my time. Thanks very much!

aaron d.g., Friday, 9 March 2007 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link

finally got Portrait of Ruin. The two player bit is really nice, and the artwork is top notch.

the item drops are too stingy, tho.

kingfish, Friday, 9 March 2007 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Are your real initials GMC, aaron? cause if not, ya just missed out.

abanana, Friday, 9 March 2007 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm playing portrait of ruin right now. there are some rpg-y elements of it i can't quite figure out. i guess i should read the manual.

s1ocki, Monday, 12 March 2007 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link

one thing I hate about the DS games is the manuals don't tell you what INT, CON etc do.
ATK: physical attack power
DEF: physical defense
STR: strength (???)
CON: constitution (???)
INT: magical attack power?
MND: mind, magical defense?
LCK: luck, how often enemies drop rare items and souls.

abanana, Monday, 12 March 2007 07:02 (thirteen years ago) link

ok i have most of portrait of ruin figured out except WHERE DO I BUY STUFF. there was one guy at the beginning and i'm picking up mad $$$$$ but there is nowhere to spend it!! and i need potions and shit!

s1ocki, Monday, 12 March 2007 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_Dawn_of_Sorrow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castlevania:_Portrait_of_Ruin

(unhelpful, unfortunately)

Int -> magic recharge rate
mnd -> magic def, i think
con -> hit point modifier



did anybody play any of the PS2 games? I'm wondering if Lament of Innocence is worth trying out or not.



kingfish, Monday, 12 March 2007 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link

also, why do some many of these types worship Rondo of Blood? Is it just cuz the design style changed and the game was never released to NA?

kingfish, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

http://castlevania.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Games/por.html

Neat, this place has scans of all the promo PoR artwork(as well as for the other games, too)

kingfish, Monday, 12 March 2007 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link

but where do i buy shit

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link

from the fat monk guy

kingfish, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

am i missing him or is he just really rare in the game? or does he only show up in one place?

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link

ok nevermind i think i figured it out

now i am stuck in that gear tower with the pillar of flame and the medusa heads fromhell

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 04:08 (thirteen years ago) link

can't do much over there. try another part of the castle. beat any portrait you've found.

and don't sell any weapons or clothes yet. some of them are needed for quests, and you never get them back, unless you online shop.

kingfish, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link

oh shit i sold some already :O

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

also what's the deal w/ online?

s1ocki, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

The phone version of SOTN is $3 and I hear it's good.

Order of Ecclesia is now going for like $100. wtf konami, print more games.

wasdnous (abanana), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 06:14 (two months ago) link

Konami is exclusively a pachislot company now

silby, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 06:18 (two months ago) link

https://imgur.com/a/I3DoKJe

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 11:39 (two months ago) link

let's try that again
https://i.imgur.com/IZ1ndgt.jpg

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 11:41 (two months ago) link

"What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!" is my COVID motto

we have no stan but to choice (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 13:01 (two months ago) link

excellent

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 April 2020 14:24 (two months ago) link

four weeks pass...

so the TV show takes a long while to get going but is very beautiful Nd once it's warmed up is really quite good. I'd love a new Castlevania open world game. but does/will such a thing exist (particularly for ps4)?

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 20:58 (one month ago) link

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night is the new offbrand castlevania by the SotN guy, because konami doesn't make video games anymore

ciderpress, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 21:51 (one month ago) link

That's sort of what Bloodborne is in a way

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 21:53 (one month ago) link

oh yeah if by open world you meant a big fancy 3d gothic horror game then you gotta look elsewhere, bloodstained is a sidescroller like the classic ones

ciderpress, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 21:58 (one month ago) link

thought this bump was going to be for the new saturn rom hack

for all those with a saturn (lol) and a ram expansion cart (lmao)

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 23:15 (one month ago) link

Is Bloodborne not just a Dark Souls game by another name? Yes a lush 3D open world game not too dissimilar to Witcher 3 but with more castles and vampires and stuff would be logical. Seems they've missed a trick considering the show is now 3 seasons in.

Have to say I was not a fan of Super Castlevania then or now. Found it quite monotonous for a game that still gets good contemporaneous reviews. that was a hundred years ago though and I've never played another CV game since, so interested in how subsequent ones compare

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 00:23 (one month ago) link

Play SOTN!

Nhex, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 04:19 (one month ago) link

No interviews or anything but this is a competent history of Super Castlevania IV and Bloodlines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB1-AKS3S0g

I think all these Castlevania-like games is an ideal situation. Videogames is the place I'm most tempted to defend franchises, because it doesn't seem obvious to me that completely new teams could make new games to fill a void left by Mario and Zelda being knocked off, there are other similar games of course but I never felt most of the games inspired by 3d Zelda had the ingredients I liked.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 22:01 (one month ago) link

But I'm extremely out of touch with games now.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 22:02 (one month ago) link

tim rogers has observed that Zelda-likes are the hardest kind of game to make and that sounds right to me, on the evidence. On the other hand, Celeste is the best Super Mario game.

silby, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 22:09 (one month ago) link

3D mario is probably harder since no one outside of nintendo has managed to replicate it yet afaic, but it's a much more specific formula than zelda

ciderpress, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 23:15 (one month ago) link

depends how specific you're being but there were loads of 3d cartoon platformers following Mario 64... what about Spyro etc?

thomasintrouble, Friday, 29 May 2020 08:15 (one month ago) link

celeste is a negroni to SMB’s aperol spritz

||||||||, Friday, 29 May 2020 09:44 (one month ago) link

3D mario is probably harder since no one outside of nintendo has managed to replicate it yet afaic

tbf nor has anyone inside of nintendo

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 29 May 2020 10:42 (one month ago) link

dog latin have you played all of these? https://www.polygon.com/features/2018/10/10/17952674/the-12-best-indie-metroidvania-games

this is about my most hated genre, the nearest i get to liking any is the procedurally generated dead cells. but that's not about exploration so much as movement and combat. apparently on ps4 symphony of the night is available in a resissue packaged with the actually good rondo of blood. play that instead.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 29 May 2020 10:46 (one month ago) link

(caveat: i don't know how lazy of a job the emulation is. the first couple reviews i saw had no complaints but they also complained that rondo 'doesn't hold up as well' so they are obviously deeply untrustworthy individuals.)

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 29 May 2020 10:48 (one month ago) link

don't listen to thomp lol

Nhex, Friday, 29 May 2020 12:08 (one month ago) link

play hollow knight

||||||||, Friday, 29 May 2020 12:23 (one month ago) link

I did the whole emulator + SotN thing a couple years ago. It's baffling that they hid the 2nd half of the game behind secret requirements.

wearaew (FlopsyDuck), Friday, 29 May 2020 12:48 (one month ago) link

it was the '90s, man

Nhex, Friday, 29 May 2020 12:49 (one month ago) link

‘the second half of this game is lazy and bad’ : well, who’d play that.

‘this game has a whole secret second half’ = cult classic material

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Friday, 29 May 2020 13:08 (one month ago) link

lazy???!!! those boss designs! those backgrounds! those sprites!

Doctor Casino, Friday, 29 May 2020 13:18 (one month ago) link

depends how specific you're being but there were loads of 3d cartoon platformers following Mario 64... what about Spyro etc?

― thomasintrouble, Friday, May 29, 2020 4:15 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink


none of them played like mario at all, much less focus on traversal and acrobatics and more on exploring/collecting and combat in some cases

ciderpress, Friday, 29 May 2020 14:34 (one month ago) link

aria of sorrow is the best castlevania btw

ciderpress, Friday, 29 May 2020 14:38 (one month ago) link

was gonna say i feel like it peaked with that one but i haven't given all the DS entries a fair shot yet

Nhex, Friday, 29 May 2020 15:05 (one month ago) link

I find Celeste to be a painful chore TBRH, although I do go back to it occasionally.
I absolutely love the aesthetic, the art, the music, but it's all so fiddly and just thinking about it makes my nape ache.
Other than being a platformer, I couldn't compare it to SMB. It's about having lightning-quick reflexes and doing the same sequence of movements over and over and over again, which is probably why I also find it hard to love things like Dark Souls.
SMB by comparison has become such a well-realised world with its own lore and mythos. While the gameplay is always top notch, I think I play those games because I'm excited to be enveloped into its world of pipes, toadstools, turtles and ghosts.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 29 May 2020 15:29 (one month ago) link

i love celeste and SMB3 with all my heart. to me, the similarities are in the perfection of the mechanics (especially the jump), the 1:1 feeling of "being" the character on the screen and being able to make them move exactly as you want to, in near real-time. that's a very hard thing to get right.

but yeah, otherwise i don't think celeste is any sort of replacement for mario. they're very different

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 May 2020 15:36 (one month ago) link

the jump in celeste should be in the louvre

||||||||, Friday, 29 May 2020 15:37 (one month ago) link

the jump on one side of the mona lisa, then the dash right horizontally across it to the other side

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 May 2020 15:38 (one month ago) link

that's what the mona lisa is smiling about, that sick jump+dash

Karl Malone, Friday, 29 May 2020 15:38 (one month ago) link

lazy???!!! those boss designs! those backgrounds! those sprites!

― Doctor Casino, Friday, May 29, 2020 10:18 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's more that the level design is lazy -- you can fly anywhere, so they add a ton of spikes and lasers, the end. but also most of the sprites are ripped from rondo of blood, beelzebub and the optional boss being exceptions.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 29 May 2020 17:24 (one month ago) link

I always thought the abilities+map accessibility stuff in the Iga games must have been a nightmare to plan and possibly the reason he started experimenting with fighting games and a more linear Castlevania at the end of his time at Konami. Were all abilities definitely unlocked by the second half of Symphony?

Big 2d games tend to have lots of reused sprites because it takes forever to make them, sadly.

Spyro was particularly different from Mario. I think there's maybe as many as 15 amazing Mario games (including the Yoshi and Wario games) or maybe 40, haha.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 May 2020 18:42 (one month ago) link

You need to get the mist and bat forms in the first castle. The double jump can be skipped by exploiting a bug with the wolf form. The down-up super jump can easily be skipped.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 29 May 2020 20:29 (one month ago) link

the more forms the betta tho, looove that stuff

Nhex, Friday, 29 May 2020 21:18 (one month ago) link

I didn't know there was a bug with the wolf. Wolf was only fun for running down large halls. Super jump was great fun.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 May 2020 21:22 (one month ago) link

Did you ever try climbing the clock tower with the wolf? Pretty hard and fun. Seems like it was unintentional as it would crash the original japanese version.

wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 29 May 2020 21:29 (one month ago) link

No, I never even heard of that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 29 May 2020 21:50 (one month ago) link

it's more that the level design is lazy -- you can fly anywhere, so they add a ton of spikes and lasers, the end. but also most of the sprites are ripped from rondo of blood, beelzebub and the optional boss being exceptions.

― wasdnous (abanana), Friday, 29 May 2020 17:24 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

thanks that’s what i would have posted if I hadn’t been in bed

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 30 May 2020 03:00 (one month ago) link

i like Celeste mechanically but wish i could excise between 80 and 100% of the script

i feel like its lineage isn’t particularly Mario tho. it feels more like a ZX spectrum platformer (though obviously , yes, much better) than a console one.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Saturday, 30 May 2020 03:08 (one month ago) link

tbf i haven't played rondo of blood since the late 90s when i foolishly let my original copy slip into a friend's hands. i did remember a bunch of the sprites going over to SOTN so that's fair. but not all of them surely!! i dunno i had a blast in the second half, love all those environments, shit was cool. def not as "tight" as the first half but that's true of tons of games that open up in terms of linearity as you go on.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 May 2020 04:20 (one month ago) link

The Last Faith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN3Opf27zto
It's amazing how many of these games there are, I find most of them on this channel, but see this playlist in particular.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7eMqz_fn4BpW8BEBUQcmHtAi3Xc77ef4

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 31 May 2020 19:19 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

SOTN and another CV game is cheap on PS Store at the moment so I grabbed them. Worth it?

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 13:21 (one week ago) link

Certainly. Rondo of Blood is my favorite of the "classic" gameplay style. It placed #44 on this recent forum poll of platformers: https://www.resetera.com/threads/reseteras-101-essential-platformers-top-101-posted-hm-voting-in-progress.217215/

I picked up the collection with 1-4 and Bloodlines. I've never played Bloodlines before.

wasdnous (abanana), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:42 (one week ago) link

Bloodlines is totally dope. One of the best classic era titles.

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 00:48 (one week ago) link


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