Ico / Shadow of the Colossus

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This is the thread for one of the best PS2 games ever, and the follow-up game from the same crew out later this year.


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

And i will forever associate Sigur Ros' "()" with this game, due to experiencing them initially around the same time, the airy/blissed-out/big-open-spaces/foggy feel, and the whole "made-up language from a ghosty character".

Actually, come to think of it, the game reminds me a lot of Myst, only with far different design aims.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link

jeffrey, have you completed this yet or can I have my copy back?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link

I finished Ico last night, and would be lying if I said I didn't cry a little. Towards the end, amidst all the water towers and cogs I actually thought to myself "hey, it's like Myst meets Tomb Raider!".

Shadow of the Colossus looks pretty unbelievable, especially in these two screenshots:


melton mowbray (adr), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link

ico definitely the best game on ps2 (that isn't pro evo 4). we had some limited edition pack that came with cards and special artwork, and my brother sold it on ebay for £70. pre-resi 4 it had the best graphics i've seen this generation.

rio natsume, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

(you hear that? £70! don't lose those cards, jeffrey!)

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Aw, I sold mine for about £12. :(

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I think I am alone in not particularly enjoying Ico. I loved the puzzle parts but hated hated hated fighting the stupid ghost things with just a stick. SO FRUSTRATING.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Ico was a little too emo for me.

adam (adam), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I bought the limited edition cardy things pack for £4 in Game's second hand area, blimey! I've probably spilt Ribena on it or something though.

I played it for a couple of hours, it looked good but then I had to fight something and the curse of No Reflexes struck yet again.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link

czn, i have barely started playing it. you should take it back and give me it another time.

jeffrey (johnson), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link

cards are in good condition too, as long as there are only meant to be 3. i have being taken extra special care of it (it is in a drawer rather than my floor), honest.

jeffrey (johnson), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I hope they sort out the combat system for the next one

: /

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, don't hold your breath, it looks like it's going to be more reflexy by 300%

I helped a friend play through this by watching her do all the puzzle stuff (saying nothing throughout on pain of pain), then taking the gamepad whenever the ghosts appeared and beating the crap out of them.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:09 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
OK, so the new one, out at the end of the month (!) looks like pretty much the best game ever... I've been playing through ico recently... and though it doesn't exert the same pull over me that some games have in the past (as much because I've changed) I can confidently say it's the most beautiful game I've ever played...

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link


cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

We should have a release party!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm more than up for this if it involves turning up in viking hats and dresses and running about holding hands in a big chain.

melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I am drinking gin and anticipating

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Ooooh! Is it coming out here at the same time, or are you importing?

melton mowbray (adr), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:05 (fourteen years ago) link

don't think it comes out here till next spring... I'm just assuming my guy will have it in... : /

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I loved finding the LIGHTSABRE.

haitch (haitch), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Shadow of Colossus looks awesome.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh pissy piss. I may or may not have to wait for it, as I don't have a flip-top or American PS2 yet.

melton mowbray (adr), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 11:40 (fourteen years ago) link


Check the video review for this. it looks amazing.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Shadow Of Colossus looks like it will be THE game to keep me going til they finally release The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. It looks incredible!

Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Saturday, 22 October 2005 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

awesome beautiful awesome beautiful

jeffrey (johnson), Saturday, 22 October 2005 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

better. than. ocarina. of. time?

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 10:35 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah I said it

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 10:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it worth it for someone who didn't like Ico? (ie me)

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link

um... they're different games in content and design but very similar in tone... mournful and slow... where ico's puzzles where all dormant in the design of the levels waiting for you to come along and unpick them at your leisure colossus' levels are the moving breathing colossi themselves... they are the ledges and puzzles you have to jump from and solve... the feeling of holding onto one of the colossi at 300 feet while you watch your stamina run out just holding on looking for somewhere to rest is exhilirating... haven't felt that from a video game in ages... the camera is pretty tricky... but that's what you expect in a game which is 3d and designed to highlight your sense of scale and disorientation...

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

it is really simple in design too...no non-controllable characters except wanda who you are trying to rez...

uh kinda weird but, like the 1up review said, you totally do start to question yourself for killing the colossi... their deaths are really bathetic... and the score is awesome, but your mileage may vary on mawkish classicism

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

criticisms so far: tricky camera (but get over it, we all ASKED for the 3D revolution so we all have to LIVE with this consequence) and frame rate could be better (but considering the scale of the thing it is really pushing the aging PS2's power)

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Sold. Video review's what done it. Full report later.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that's a v. straightforward, good explanation of the game, its weaknesses and strengths... coulda done with a bit more imagination appreciating the story but a nice clean review

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Holy crap.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link


c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

The camera is way less bad than reviews would have you believe. I mean, I've played Alone in the Dark 1 more times than I can remember and that's just about the worst camera system in the world. This is a million times better.

I've done the first three. The freedom to approach your problem via trial and error and experimentation is fantastic. And it's beautiful. And the score is good. And it's been a long time since I've felt guilty-ish over actions in a game (last time might have letting one of those asshole knights die in Conquest of Camelot). Good stuff. Unfortunately I have a paper to write.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

the camera angles in AitD 1 were locked down, weren't they? yeah, there was definate decision to favor cinematic camera shots over ease of blasting zombie in the face.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Fuck, i was gunna post a link to the first AitD game, but Underdogs doesn't even have a listing for it...

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Fixed camera angles annoy the shit out of me. In SotC it can get a little out of hand but that is easily fixed with the right thumbstick.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Cozen, you want 115MB of mawkish classicism? I got MP3s of the score ripped from the game. I'll YSI if there is interest.

adam (adam), Monday, 24 October 2005 10:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yes please

c7n (Cozen), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link

R. Kelly: Are you mawking me now?
Nivea: Boy, ain't nobody gotta mawk you
R. Kelly: Yeah you mawking me

c7n (Cozen), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Ok, I'll totally put it up when I get home. Itching to slay colossi.

adam (adam), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link


adam (adam), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:09 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks adam!!

how you getting on? I've got 8 defeated from the weekend but I've not been relaxed enough to play it over the past couple of days and just found myself stressed out with all the aimless, listless riding...

that's just me after work though so I've been concentrating on other games

c7n (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

I've got 10 down. I like the aimless riding. 10 was amazing.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah I love it too, just need to be relaxed to properly enjoy it

c7n (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 08:16 (fourteen years ago) link


adam (adam), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 10:01 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah Last Guardian looks great but is unplayably janky I think. Trico is cool though!

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:17 (two years ago) link

adding one more voice to say that the last guardian was bad - there are some interesting concepts in there but it's mostly boring and unattractive and a pain in the ass to control. but i didn't really like ico or shadow of the colossus that much either.

na (NA), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:29 (two years ago) link

i should point out that i think shadow of the colossus was one of my all time favorite games! and i bought a _PS3_ for last guardian. the gameplay is just SO bad.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:39 (two years ago) link

finished last guardian recently, enjoyed it. controls weren't too bad just annoying that the kid stumbles around like a drunk

am0n, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:24 (two years ago) link

Ico is all-time for me, I definitely enjoyed Shadow Of The Colossus as much as I could considering that it's a game where you're frantically and randomly grasping at patches of fur

Ico tho wow

An entire game devoted to the pleasure of architecture and space

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 15 February 2018 02:26 (two years ago) link

Ico’s one of the few games I ever played co-operatively - a friend heard about it and liked it and came over to play my copy, handing off the controller to me for the hitting shadows with sticks bits.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:34 (two years ago) link

SOTC was good to play and complete once, and I’d consider the remaster assuming it’s got the hidden secret fruit thing from the original, which I heard about after I finished it. But it’s a very different game.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:38 (two years ago) link

Hidden secret fruit??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:43 (two years ago) link

it's a game where you're frantically and randomly grasping at patches of fur


lana del boy (ledge), Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:02 (two years ago) link

(i mean finally someone gets it, not finally a game where you're frantically and randomly etc etc)

lana del boy (ledge), Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:24 (two years ago) link


Good game! but I think I played it around the same time as Grand Theft Auto and the gameplay is reallllllly repetitious

Ico is perfect tho, perfect game, want a remaster, want a sequel that’s the exact same game but in an enormous tower built into a wintry mountaintop.

I’ve never felt an unique a pleasure as being somewhere in Ico and seeing a parapet or a windmill that I’d struggled with hours earlier, way off in the distance

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:01 (two years ago) link

Oh the soundtrack to Shadow Of The Colossus is hilariously bad imo, this dramatic James Newton Howard in top gear bullshit that completely doesn’t suit the slow motion climbing up a snuffleupagus

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:03 (two years ago) link

Hidden secret fruit??

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:43 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I have the PS3 upgrade and I was baffled when I looked through the list of trophies you could acquire for a number of things I had no idea you could do in the game.

You dishonor your ancestors with your emoji abstention (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:05 (two years ago) link

Huh... interact with fish and turtle...

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:13 (two years ago) link

I tried to interact with the birds a number of times on the PS2 but the camera made it kind of a nightmare and I gave up.

One nice thing about the PS3 version (that I THINK was absent from the PS2 although I might have just never utilized it) is the ability to remap your buttons and tweak the camera movements in several ways. I assume that carried over to the new remaster?

You dishonor your ancestors with your emoji abstention (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:17 (two years ago) link

one year passes...


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:56 (one year ago) link


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:57 (one year ago) link

That was pretty great. I made it 16 minutes in before I suspected there could be significant spoilers (which the video impressively avoided before that, for the most part), but when I finish the game I'll definitely finish the video. I love the idea of game designers hiding things that are bigger than mere jokey easter eggs (almost as much as I love posters being citing by their dumb screen names). One of the best aspects of Breath of the Wild was all the substantial stuff you could do or get lost in that was completely irrelevant to the completion of the game. I suspect people are still figuring that one out, too.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 August 2019 18:27 (one year ago) link

That was amazing, thanks so much ulysses!

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 21:25 (one year ago) link

really, really good video

Nhex, Thursday, 29 August 2019 05:46 (one year ago) link


Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 August 2019 10:50 (one year ago) link

I've taken down ... six or so Colossi, and it's all kind of the same? I start at the ruins, the sword points the way, I take as long as I want getting there, thing eventually makes its grand entrance and I climb up it somehow, hold on and stab it where I need until it's dead. Fortunately, the scale and spectacle itself is pretty thrilling, so that makes up for the actual battles (so far). I wish the Divine Beasts in Zelda were this impressive.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:35 (one year ago) link

well yeah the game is from the ps2 era when full production console games had a smaller scope and focus

ciderpress, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:48 (one year ago) link


самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:49 (one year ago) link

The actual battles do a good job of twisting the formula iirc

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:50 (one year ago) link

The game looks absolutely gorgeous.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 23:01 (one year ago) link

So I've killed three colossi, each one more tedious and annoying than the last. Is this going to get any better?
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The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 6 September 2019 10:03 (one year ago) link

(that video was good though, and i've gotta have some respect for a game which can make people disappear into insane yet seemingly plausible conspiracy theory rabbit holes for years on end)

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 6 September 2019 10:07 (one year ago) link

I'm on the ... 8th monster? And this is the first one (maybe the second?) I had to look up online, since I had no idea what to do or how to do it, and the cryptic hints were no help. In fact, knowing the solution now, there is literally no way, even with those hints, I would have figured out what to do. (I'm sure I'm not the first one to joke that the camera is the toughest colossus to beat of them all.)

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:02 (one year ago) link

Fingers cramping up from holding down the grip trigger button all the time the ultimate boss iirc

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:15 (one year ago) link

Another monster or two down. I'm going to chalk this up to a great experience but probably a bad game. Equally repetitive and novel, thrilling and boring, which is weird but it's a mix that makes it worth playing even if playing it is not particularly interesting or challenging, imo. ("Challenging," that is, after you spend forever figuring out the thing you need to do to make the monster do the thing, which doesn't feel like solving a puzzle so much as a PIA you just have to do.)

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 September 2019 22:26 (one year ago) link

Holy shit, monster number 11 or so - the one in the lake - was so frustrating and lame it made me want to quit the game. For starters, it's a bullshit "hint" to say "get to higher ground" when you are on the back of a monster taller than everything except the giant bridges and mountains you can't reach. Beyond that, this is the first time the camera totally fucked me and trapped me under water, but since you can't drown (apparently) I had to quit the game and try again. And then once you figure out the monster mechanics, you once again have to do the same shit, again and again, over and over. I couldn't ask for a better looking game, but this thing plays like a demo.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 20:00 (one year ago) link

Maybe it was the 12th colossus? Gah, I hope so.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 20:02 (one year ago) link

i've probably already said this multiple times in this thread but ico/shadow of the colossus/last guardian are all cool, innovative concepts undone by terrible clunky controls and bland environments. such overrated games.

na (NA), Monday, 16 September 2019 20:16 (one year ago) link

Dragon monster was more fun, but still ultimately kind of lame. I think I am almost done? might as well just finish it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 20:43 (one year ago) link

This game was from before 3rd person 3d games had good controls

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 16 September 2019 20:59 (one year ago) link

i played the tony hawk ps2 games so i know that isn't true

na (NA), Monday, 16 September 2019 21:04 (one year ago) link

Regardless, they made it all snazzy for PS4 - it looks gorgeous and there is clearly a ton of work put into it - so it's a mystery why so much of it kind of runs like shit or seems sort of underdeveloped.

That said, the second bull monster that involves knocking down towers, that was a bit more fun, too, so that's two in a row after a tedious fallow period. It's an aggressive boss, which is more engaging than giant things that just lumber/fly/walk around sort of aimlessly while you patiently (or impatiently) wait for it to lift up its foot and check to see if it stepped in colossus poop or whatever. It's not really puzzle solving if the solution is mostly patience.

I dunno, I wish there were more challenges or enemies or something between bosses. Now I see why so many people said Breath of the Wild sets the bar so high for open world games. Then again, this is really no more open world than Dark Souls, and that game was a blast, constantly interesting/challenging.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 September 2019 22:21 (one year ago) link

Ico has no flaws - I don't remember problems with Shadow of the Colossus, but I only played it the once.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 16 September 2019 22:26 (one year ago) link

OK, last couple of monsters, particularly the final colossus, were pretty cool, even if the combat (as such) remained pretty simple. The ending was very satisfying, too, though I felt sad for the horse. As well you're supposed to, but honestly I felt bad throughout, since you're forced to take him along and he's such a loyal steed who puts up with so much abuse.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:03 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...


jeezus christ the end sequence

the sleeping lady finds the baby (where Wander fell into the pit of darkness) while the limping horse he killed off slowly climbs up the stairs? that's kinda fucked up

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 07:03 (five months ago) link

hahaha, you have discovered one of the great endings

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:37 (five months ago) link

it was a very nice surprise after what happened just before (regarding Wander's fate), which i unfortunately jokingly predicted before playing the game. i didn't think it would actually happen!

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:41 (five months ago) link

overall i had a blast playing it, though!

of the two notorious issues with the game that are frequently mentioned, i found the controls to be sluggish but functional, and the camera to be awful in certain sections (like swimming under a beast) but ok for the most part. maybe they were improved a bit for the remaster?

also, lol, i didn't realize until the very last shrine that i was supposed to shoot the lizard, and soon afterward also realized i could pick up the little glowing piles of dust. oops! up until then i was very impressed at the restraint in adding "collectibles" to the game

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:47 (five months ago) link

the glow piles were new to the remaster! there's an insane story behind it.

Nhex, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:25 (five months ago) link

a story within the game behind it, or a developer story? either way i'm curious to hear it!

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:51 (five months ago) link

also i see that there were also piles of fruit i was supposed to be collecting?

and probably also hidden locations near each of the shrines. i ran across in the woods, a little cave hideout with some human stuff in there, and an -ACHIEVEMENT- popped up. that was the only one i found, so apparently i was very bad at exploring despite spending literally hours trying to hop up the sides of mountains that i didn't realize were impassable boundaries

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:53 (five months ago) link

I didn't learn about the lizard thing until well after I beat the game. I don't think it was common knowledge back then.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 17:07 (five months ago) link

tread lightly with this i suppose

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 17:29 (five months ago) link

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