Ico / Shadow of the Colossus

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This is the thread for one of the best PS2 games ever, and the follow-up game from the same crew out later this year.

http://ps2.1up.com/do/gameOverview?cId=3134836

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

And i will forever associate Sigur Ros' "()" with this game, due to experiencing them initially around the same time, the airy/blissed-out/big-open-spaces/foggy feel, and the whole "made-up language from a ghosty character".

Actually, come to think of it, the game reminds me a lot of Myst, only with far different design aims.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link

jeffrey, have you completed this yet or can I have my copy back?

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I finished Ico last night, and would be lying if I said I didn't cry a little. Towards the end, amidst all the water towers and cogs I actually thought to myself "hey, it's like Myst meets Tomb Raider!".

Shadow of the Colossus looks pretty unbelievable, especially in these two screenshots:

http://ps2.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=13&mt=0&cId=3134836&mId=2243553
http://ps2.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=9&mt=0&cId=3134836&mId=2243557

melton mowbray (adr), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link

ico definitely the best game on ps2 (that isn't pro evo 4). we had some limited edition pack that came with cards and special artwork, and my brother sold it on ebay for £70. pre-resi 4 it had the best graphics i've seen this generation.

rio natsume, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

(you hear that? £70! don't lose those cards, jeffrey!)

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Aw, I sold mine for about £12. :(

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I am alone in not particularly enjoying Ico. I loved the puzzle parts but hated hated hated fighting the stupid ghost things with just a stick. SO FRUSTRATING.

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Ico was a little too emo for me.

adam (adam), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link

I bought the limited edition cardy things pack for £4 in Game's second hand area, blimey! I've probably spilt Ribena on it or something though.

I played it for a couple of hours, it looked good but then I had to fight something and the curse of No Reflexes struck yet again.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 22 September 2005 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

czn, i have barely started playing it. you should take it back and give me it another time.

jeffrey (johnson), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link

cards are in good condition too, as long as there are only meant to be 3. i have being taken extra special care of it (it is in a drawer rather than my floor), honest.

jeffrey (johnson), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I hope they sort out the combat system for the next one

: /

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, don't hold your breath, it looks like it's going to be more reflexy by 300%

I helped a friend play through this by watching her do all the puzzle stuff (saying nothing throughout on pain of pain), then taking the gamepad whenever the ghosts appeared and beating the crap out of them.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 23 September 2005 11:09 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
OK, so the new one, out at the end of the month (!) looks like pretty much the best game ever... I've been playing through ico recently... and though it doesn't exert the same pull over me that some games have in the past (as much because I've changed) I can confidently say it's the most beautiful game I've ever played...

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

http://shadow.1up.com/

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

We should have a release party!

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Thursday, 13 October 2005 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm more than up for this if it involves turning up in viking hats and dresses and running about holding hands in a big chain.

melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I am drinking gin and anticipating

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 October 2005 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Ooooh! Is it coming out here at the same time, or are you importing?

melton mowbray (adr), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:05 (thirteen years ago) link

don't think it comes out here till next spring... I'm just assuming my guy will have it in... : /

cozen (Cozen), Monday, 17 October 2005 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I loved finding the LIGHTSABRE.

haitch (haitch), Monday, 17 October 2005 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Shadow of Colossus looks awesome.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh pissy piss. I may or may not have to wait for it, as I don't have a flip-top or American PS2 yet.

melton mowbray (adr), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1019

Check the video review for this. it looks amazing.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Shadow Of Colossus looks like it will be THE game to keep me going til they finally release The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. It looks incredible!

Craig Gilchrist (Craig Gilchrist), Saturday, 22 October 2005 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

awesome beautiful awesome beautiful

jeffrey (johnson), Saturday, 22 October 2005 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

better. than. ocarina. of. time?

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I said it

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Is it worth it for someone who didn't like Ico? (ie me)

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link

um... they're different games in content and design but very similar in tone... mournful and slow... where ico's puzzles where all dormant in the design of the levels waiting for you to come along and unpick them at your leisure colossus' levels are the moving breathing colossi themselves... they are the ledges and puzzles you have to jump from and solve... the feeling of holding onto one of the colossi at 300 feet while you watch your stamina run out just holding on looking for somewhere to rest is exhilirating... haven't felt that from a video game in ages... the camera is pretty tricky... but that's what you expect in a game which is 3d and designed to highlight your sense of scale and disorientation...

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:15 (thirteen years ago) link

it is really simple in design too...no non-controllable characters except wanda who you are trying to rez...

uh kinda weird but, like the 1up review said, you totally do start to question yourself for killing the colossi... their deaths are really bathetic... and the score is awesome, but your mileage may vary on mawkish classicism

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:19 (thirteen years ago) link

criticisms so far: tricky camera (but get over it, we all ASKED for the 3D revolution so we all have to LIVE with this consequence) and frame rate could be better (but considering the scale of the thing it is really pushing the aging PS2's power)

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Sold. Video review's what done it. Full report later.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that's a v. straightforward, good explanation of the game, its weaknesses and strengths... coulda done with a bit more imagination appreciating the story but a nice clean review

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy crap.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah?

c7n (Cozen), Sunday, 23 October 2005 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link

The camera is way less bad than reviews would have you believe. I mean, I've played Alone in the Dark 1 more times than I can remember and that's just about the worst camera system in the world. This is a million times better.

I've done the first three. The freedom to approach your problem via trial and error and experimentation is fantastic. And it's beautiful. And the score is good. And it's been a long time since I've felt guilty-ish over actions in a game (last time might have letting one of those asshole knights die in Conquest of Camelot). Good stuff. Unfortunately I have a paper to write.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 20:54 (thirteen years ago) link

the camera angles in AitD 1 were locked down, weren't they? yeah, there was definate decision to favor cinematic camera shots over ease of blasting zombie in the face.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck, i was gunna post a link to the first AitD game, but Underdogs doesn't even have a listing for it...

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Fixed camera angles annoy the shit out of me. In SotC it can get a little out of hand but that is easily fixed with the right thumbstick.

adam (adam), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Cozen, you want 115MB of mawkish classicism? I got MP3s of the score ripped from the game. I'll YSI if there is interest.

adam (adam), Monday, 24 October 2005 10:50 (thirteen years ago) link

yes please

c7n (Cozen), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:08 (thirteen years ago) link

R. Kelly: Are you mawking me now?
Nivea: Boy, ain't nobody gotta mawk you
R. Kelly: Yeah you mawking me

c7n (Cozen), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Ok, I'll totally put it up when I get home. Itching to slay colossi.

adam (adam), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

http://s60.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2QKO44D4ID1N30KEKT1OJ13U2N

adam (adam), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 12:09 (thirteen years ago) link

thanks adam!!

how you getting on? I've got 8 defeated from the weekend but I've not been relaxed enough to play it over the past couple of days and just found myself stressed out with all the aimless, listless riding...

that's just me after work though so I've been concentrating on other games

c7n (Cozen), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I've got 10 down. I like the aimless riding. 10 was amazing.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I love it too, just need to be relaxed to properly enjoy it

c7n (Cozen), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.awa.dk/whisky/seagrams/crownroyal.jpg

adam (adam), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 10:01 (thirteen years ago) link

sad but sounds accurate, uly

Nhex, Friday, 16 September 2016 04:00 (two years ago) link

Chinese Democracy exceeded my expectations by ever appearing - I would question the sanity of anyone who expected it to be good.

As cozen says, this sounds like more of the same good good stuff.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 September 2016 11:17 (two years ago) link

Fiddly controls are what we grew up on dammit AND WE LOVED IT

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 16 September 2016 11:18 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

this looks pretty damned good in 4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GV-OmR1Vo8

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 26 January 2018 23:18 (one year ago) link

Yesssss!!!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 27 January 2018 03:38 (one year ago) link

ugh I still have yet to play this game :-/

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:22 (one year ago) link

*this games

the masseduction of lauryn hill (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:22 (one year ago) link

yeah this is one of the greatest 3D games ever. everything about the game is incredible. every boss fight (and every journey to the boss fights) feels epic and grand. the gameplay is seamless, smooth, non-intrusive. no need for maps, markers, quests, NPCs, etc. you have a sword that you can hold up and the light it reflects shows you where to go. just follow the light. it is that easy. brilliant.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 29 January 2018 23:17 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

jeez the remake is astonishingly good-looking huh

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:18 (one year ago) link

have you got it? I'm going to give Rime, which seems to be in a similar vein, a play-through before taking the plunge. I never played SotC on the PS2 so am looking forward to it.

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:30 (one year ago) link

yeah, started playing it this morning and took down the first three colossi as my wife looked on in horror at my savagery

it’s pretty remarkable tbh - it’s a total remake rather than a remaster but it plays just like the original, only at a silky 60fps* rather than the notoriously juddering ps2 version

(* on PS4 pro)

and it’s less than £25!

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:03 (one year ago) link

By 'plays like the original' do you mean 'has a camera like a lazy eye which seems much more interested in a random patch of grass than the giant you're supposed to be focusing on'?

You dishonor your ancestors with your emoji abstention (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:18 (one year ago) link

well, yeah

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:27 (one year ago) link

The most Terrence Malick of video games

circa1916, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:30 (one year ago) link

I am psyched to play this, loved the original. Will probably wait until I’m bored with Monster Hunter, the other, way different game of killing giant monsters.

circa1916, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:32 (one year ago) link

sounds great BG, looking forward to it

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:57 (one year ago) link

The Last Guardian (long intended for the PS3, thanks for the bait and switch Team Ico) is still pretty much the strongest argument for me to eventually buy a PS4, so this just the cherry on top.

You dishonor your ancestors with your emoji abstention (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:05 (one year ago) link

hate to tell you but last guardian was all but unplayable imo. i lasted three hours.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:05 (one year ago) link

psvr last guardian is great tho

you just get to hang out with trico for a bit and feed him snacks while craning your neck to look into his big beautiful eyes

it’s all i ever wanted from the base game tbh

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:12 (one year ago) link

yeah Last Guardian looks great but is unplayably janky I think. Trico is cool though!

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:17 (one year ago) link

adding one more voice to say that the last guardian was bad - there are some interesting concepts in there but it's mostly boring and unattractive and a pain in the ass to control. but i didn't really like ico or shadow of the colossus that much either.

na (NA), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:29 (one year ago) link

i should point out that i think shadow of the colossus was one of my all time favorite games! and i bought a _PS3_ for last guardian. the gameplay is just SO bad.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 15:39 (one year ago) link

finished last guardian recently, enjoyed it. controls weren't too bad just annoying that the kid stumbles around like a drunk

am0n, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 21:24 (one year ago) link

Ico is all-time for me, I definitely enjoyed Shadow Of The Colossus as much as I could considering that it's a game where you're frantically and randomly grasping at patches of fur

Ico tho wow

An entire game devoted to the pleasure of architecture and space

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 15 February 2018 02:26 (one year ago) link

Ico’s one of the few games I ever played co-operatively - a friend heard about it and liked it and came over to play my copy, handing off the controller to me for the hitting shadows with sticks bits.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:34 (one year ago) link

SOTC was good to play and complete once, and I’d consider the remaster assuming it’s got the hidden secret fruit thing from the original, which I heard about after I finished it. But it’s a very different game.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:38 (one year ago) link

Hidden secret fruit??

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:43 (one year ago) link

it's a game where you're frantically and randomly grasping at patches of fur

FINALLY

lana del boy (ledge), Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:02 (one year ago) link

(i mean finally someone gets it, not finally a game where you're frantically and randomly etc etc)

lana del boy (ledge), Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:24 (one year ago) link

Right?

Good game! but I think I played it around the same time as Grand Theft Auto and the gameplay is reallllllly repetitious

Ico is perfect tho, perfect game, want a remaster, want a sequel that’s the exact same game but in an enormous tower built into a wintry mountaintop.

I’ve never felt an unique a pleasure as being somewhere in Ico and seeing a parapet or a windmill that I’d struggled with hours earlier, way off in the distance

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:01 (one year ago) link

Oh the soundtrack to Shadow Of The Colossus is hilariously bad imo, this dramatic James Newton Howard in top gear bullshit that completely doesn’t suit the slow motion climbing up a snuffleupagus

flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:03 (one year ago) link

Hidden secret fruit??

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:43 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I have the PS3 upgrade and I was baffled when I looked through the list of trophies you could acquire for a number of things I had no idea you could do in the game.

You dishonor your ancestors with your emoji abstention (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:05 (one year ago) link

Huh... interact with fish and turtle...

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:13 (one year ago) link

I tried to interact with the birds a number of times on the PS2 but the camera made it kind of a nightmare and I gave up.

One nice thing about the PS3 version (that I THINK was absent from the PS2 although I might have just never utilized it) is the ability to remap your buttons and tweak the camera movements in several ways. I assume that carried over to the new remaster?

You dishonor your ancestors with your emoji abstention (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 February 2018 14:17 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQNeYbBiCKw

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:56 (two weeks ago) link

!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 August 2019 16:57 (two weeks ago) link

That was pretty great. I made it 16 minutes in before I suspected there could be significant spoilers (which the video impressively avoided before that, for the most part), but when I finish the game I'll definitely finish the video. I love the idea of game designers hiding things that are bigger than mere jokey easter eggs (almost as much as I love posters being citing by their dumb screen names). One of the best aspects of Breath of the Wild was all the substantial stuff you could do or get lost in that was completely irrelevant to the completion of the game. I suspect people are still figuring that one out, too.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 August 2019 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

That was amazing, thanks so much ulysses!

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 28 August 2019 21:25 (two weeks ago) link

really, really good video

Nhex, Thursday, 29 August 2019 05:46 (two weeks ago) link

Tremendous

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 30 August 2019 10:50 (two weeks ago) link

I've taken down ... six or so Colossi, and it's all kind of the same? I start at the ruins, the sword points the way, I take as long as I want getting there, thing eventually makes its grand entrance and I climb up it somehow, hold on and stab it where I need until it's dead. Fortunately, the scale and spectacle itself is pretty thrilling, so that makes up for the actual battles (so far). I wish the Divine Beasts in Zelda were this impressive.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:35 (one week ago) link

well yeah the game is from the ps2 era when full production console games had a smaller scope and focus

ciderpress, Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:48 (one week ago) link

josh

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:49 (one week ago) link

The actual battles do a good job of twisting the formula iirc

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 5 September 2019 22:50 (one week ago) link

The game looks absolutely gorgeous.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 September 2019 23:01 (one week ago) link

So I've killed three colossi, each one more tedious and annoying than the last. Is this going to get any better?
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The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 6 September 2019 10:03 (one week ago) link

(that video was good though, and i've gotta have some respect for a game which can make people disappear into insane yet seemingly plausible conspiracy theory rabbit holes for years on end)

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 6 September 2019 10:07 (one week ago) link

I'm on the ... 8th monster? And this is the first one (maybe the second?) I had to look up online, since I had no idea what to do or how to do it, and the cryptic hints were no help. In fact, knowing the solution now, there is literally no way, even with those hints, I would have figured out what to do. (I'm sure I'm not the first one to joke that the camera is the toughest colossus to beat of them all.)

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:02 (five hours ago) link

Fingers cramping up from holding down the grip trigger button all the time the ultimate boss iirc

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Sunday, 15 September 2019 16:15 (four hours ago) link


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