Of Deathclaws & Radscorpions: A Fallout Thread

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This is the thread for probably the other massively important computer RPG series, Fallout, and the studio putting it out, Black Isle. The guys who worked on these two games split from the now-defunct BI studios to form Troika(itself now closed) and Obsidian Entertainment. The two studios put out probably some of the best RPGs out there: the brilliant but problematic Arcanum and VTM: Bloodlines, KOTOR 2, and the lauded Planescape: Torment.

The BI relationship to Bioware should be mentioned, too. Note that the Bioware crew didn't necessarily work on Fallout 2, but the company was definately a "little brother" group to the Black Isle guys. It's kinda like a MC5/Stooges thing, only with deeper, more pervasive links between the two, since BI games used the Infinity Engine developed by the Bioware guys(which was itself based on that of the first Fallout).

also, this thread will be used for the upcoming Fallout 3 game that the Morrowind crew over at Bethesda is working on. No visuals from the new game have leaked yet, but there was a teaser poster for the game at this year's E3.

No Mutants Allowed is a great source for everything from design docs/production art for the aborted Fallout 3 project that Interplay/Black Isle was working on, codenamed "Van Buren."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, you really should check out The Fallout Bible, which talks about what went into the games, what was scrapped, and other interesting bits.

F'rinstance, that's how I found out about the books Earth Abides(1948 book about a return to tribalism after a virus wipes out the planet) and A Canticle for Leibowitz(where the idea for the Cathedral in FO1 came from). Note that both books take place in the Western part of the U.S., same as with the first two Fallout games.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Thoem No Mutants Allowed people is crazy.

adam (adam), Friday, 7 October 2005 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

pretty much, yeah. The files they have, tho, are priceless. The male/female vault-dweller team fighting off a city of zombie mutants is currently my wallpaper.

the "see you at vault 69" cheesecake one was for a while, too.

plus, it's cool to see the design notes for Fallout 3. Like using screengrabs from the Road Warrior to instruct the production artists...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link

also, I've tried Fallout Tactics, but haven't really gotten too far into it...

the fact that it was farmed out to a different gamedev probably didn't help, among other things.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I just found my old Fallout CD case in a pile of my little brother's stuff. ... NO CD INSIDE. Is it purchasable? Isn't Interplay like gone now?

adam (adam), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

abandonware sites

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Interplay filed for various bankruptcies, yet the CEO is holding onto the license for a supposed MMORPG like an addict keeps grasping that pipe.

but you can get both games from p2p, and thru ebay/amazon/macplay, etc

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

No luck at the usual suspects--Googling for abandonware tends to lead into a horrible spiral of shadier and shadier Czech websites.

adam (adam), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i played fallout 2 all the way through four times in a row a couple years ago.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

my biggest problem fallout 2 is that the nuclear reactor quest is so fucking boring, you have to walk in and out of those two cities like 12 times

the game engine needed more work, too

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i think some of the mods have improved the engine... not much, tho.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

did anybody do the "Super retarded" character thru the game, where you get to have the erudite convo with the village idiot?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 7 October 2005 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

adam, it looks like you can get the first Fallout off of eBay for about $2, if you don't mind paying $5 for shipping.

I was very disappointed in Arcanum. It was a good idea and had good story bits in it, but the actual gameplay was executed so poorly that it was hardly worth playing. I was expecting another Fallout, but it didn't happen.

Chris F. (servoret), Sunday, 9 October 2005 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

arcanum had balance and memory issues. i did like blasting fire elementals with a machine gun, tho.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 9 October 2005 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

plus, we need more steampunk games

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 9 October 2005 07:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Pen and paper but hey.

adam (adam), Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember when I played Fallout 1 I managed to kill every living human within the game, even the Brotherhood in their deliciously pregnable bunker. Not something I managed in 2.

Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Monday, 10 October 2005 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

You know, adam, if you want to send me an SASE you can have my old copy of Fallout-- I have it boxed away in storage and I'm not likely to break it out any time soon otherwise. E-mail me if you're interested.

Chris F. (servoret), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Love you Fallout.

jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I got a kick out of hearing about how the UK version had to remove the children(which were easily restored with a patch), since you could blast their little heads off with a plasma rifle...

other fun: in FO2, when you're in the Bucanneer's Den town, you know how the kids pick your pocket? Just remove everything from your inventory except for a think of plastique or dynamite with the timer set. The little scamps pick your stash, then get a nasty shock 30-60 seconds later, and you don't even get in trouble! So handy.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

adam (adam), Friday, 12 May 2006 01:50 (sixteen years ago) link


kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link

I just sucked it up and got the 2pack thing off of Amazon for too much money. It's worth it. I somehow totally missed Chris' generous offer from 7 months ago.

adam (adam), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link




Will M. (Will M.), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

How much money did you pay Adam? I thought they were selling the two-pack at like Target for five dolla.


Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I haven't seen the 2pack anywhere for a while (and I check the cheapo bin at Target religiously) so I dropped $35 on it. Which isn't so bad for two of the best games ever.

adam (adam), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:39 (sixteen years ago) link

holy shit, i never saw some of these:




You have a chem addition. If you do not take Psycho on a regular schedule, you will suffer. If you do, others will suffer.

You feel a burning desire to open another box of tragic cards.


Also, does anybody know why this game is apparently such a cult hit in Poland?
Virgin of the Wastes

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:42 (sixteen years ago) link

Isn't that first picture from when you become a porn star in game 2? There's a place where you're as a "fluffer" and thne later a full-blown porn star. I was like 14 when I played and I didn't know what a fluffer was at the time. :( MY YOUTH WAS ROBBED

Alternatively, it may be the gigolo picture, which my 14-year-old ass ALSO was in Fallout 2. But I remember that one having a mustache because I remember thinking "why does it have a mustache?"

I also remember the tragic cards. They were fricking awesome. Their full name was something like Tragic: The Saddening or something. And they all had sad things on them. You didn't get to look at them, though. But your guy could get addicted to opening booster packs.

Will M. (Will M.), Friday, 12 May 2006 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Ah teary eyed nostalgia. I still play fallout 1 & 2 now and again.


Darramouss ftw! (Darramouss ftw), Sunday, 14 May 2006 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I still laugh at the Tragic perk(w/ the fast food items), since I can remember back to my freshman year in 94/95 when you'd see those guys perched in the front table of the campus burger king

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 14 May 2006 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yeah. Fallout comes in the mail the very day that my post-K makeup semester starts. Been shooting rats in the groin all night.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 03:10 (sixteen years ago) link

be sure to d/l the fan-made patches. solves a lot of problems.

kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:00 (sixteen years ago) link

In Fallout 2 does anyone else get loading problems at the kung fu tournament when playing on XP? Even with the patch it still happens.

Darramouss ftw! (Darramouss ftw), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 11:40 (sixteen years ago) link

do you mean the boxing tournament? if so it was always buggy.

a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 11:43 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...
How can this all sound so exciting?! I've tried both thanks to a link on another thread but it's taking forever to get started as a character. I suck at fights and am in some caves completely clueless as to what to do next in Fallout 2. My healing causes me to lose perception. This game is brilliantly absorbing and yet it's the first time I've been happy to switch it off. What am I doing wrong? Why is the character not a) getting better at anything and b) not healing without losing perception?

I think I'm going to have to give up at some point, my head is being seriously wrecked.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 10:34 (sixteen years ago) link

If you're stuck in the first temple consult a walkthrough. If not, use stimpaks instead of the crappy potion from the beginning (the perception decrease goes away with time; time healing is another option), and remember to allocate your skill points (I suggest getting your primary weapon type over 100% first).

a.b. (alanbanana), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Got through the temple. Have started the whole shebang. Might start over with a stimpal. How does one time heal? Skill points? I don't think I've got any yet. I'm so bad at this kind of thing :)

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 11:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I have the car. What does it run on? I can get that stuff at the power plant in Gecko right?

god I would love a MMORPG of this. I have so much fun having huge gunfights and doing lots of drugs.

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

does eating food or drinking things do anything?

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 16:05 (sixteen years ago) link

the car runs on electric batteries, i think. you find those here & there.

also, make sure you get the fan-patch.

i can't remember if food does anything. check gamefaqs or SA or something.

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 19:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I need to remember to load this and try it out.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

also, make sure you get the fan-patch.

Werner Herzog Netflix Quine (ex machina), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I think it makes for easy play on XP

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Jesus Christ. It's not that hard a game to play! If you want to heal without losing 'perception' (which btw stimpaks dont cause you to do), just travel a few squares on the map and you'll be fully healed. Plus both Fallout games have a marvelous new invention called a 'quicksave'. So if you do mess up on basic things like walking- into-a-load-of-rad-scorpions-armed-only-with-a-spear you can go back a few minutes and avoid them.

Darramouss ftw! (Darramouss ftw), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 01:44 (sixteen years ago) link

the patch is several years of fans fixing the various bugs

kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Darramouss to you i say :p

That is all. Good tip on the square though. Will try that cheers.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 09:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Have you looked at the manual Kv_nol? I believe Fallout 2 includes it on the CD (er, image).

a.b. (alanbanana), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 09:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Would you believe I haven't? I will have a look at the erm... CD at home and see if it's there.

Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

I got it confused w Wasteland.


AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 December 2015 18:55 (six years ago) link

Finally made it to the faction branching point

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 20:24 (six years ago) link

My drive to play this gets less and less. So lonely out there

calstars, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 21:10 (six years ago) link

Beat this today.... dumb ending, isn't it?

Somebody else mentioned that Bethesda didn't exactly know how to handle the faction system like Obsidian did, and the ending sorta bears that out. Oh well. Steam says I've played 200 hours of this game(probably about 80-85% accurate since I would leave the game paused once in a while), and I'm burned out for a while. Let's see what the DLC will bring.

....oh and I got a Vault 111 fleece jumpsuit(read: Fallout-y pajamas) for Xmas, and damn if it ain't comfy.

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Thursday, 31 December 2015 06:23 (six years ago) link


Lord help me I was actually amused by this

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Friday, 1 January 2016 05:04 (six years ago) link

back to the past, here:

if playing new vegas from the beginning again, and i have all the dlc packs, which should i do and when? are there any i should go through before finishing the main game, and what order after completion?

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 4 January 2016 21:27 (six years ago) link

You can't continue anything after finishing the main game iirc, so all of them. They're all for high-ish levels but you get a warning and told the recommended level before you start them. I don't think the order mattered much, but I remember being driven half crazy by Dead Money.

Dust, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 01:02 (six years ago) link

Dead Money I didn't like, yeah

Professor Goodfeels (kingfish), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 02:13 (six years ago) link

Dead Money, the only Fallout thing I have now actually cheated in because FUCK THOSE GHOST DUDES

μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 11 January 2016 22:36 (six years ago) link

three months pass...


Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 16 April 2016 15:00 (six years ago) link

The codex people are v. well informed about rpg history and design, but that site is such a reactionary cesspool politically.

one way street, Saturday, 16 April 2016 15:38 (six years ago) link

That review is spot on

calstars, Saturday, 16 April 2016 23:01 (six years ago) link

it really is

i probably put more time into F4 than any other AAA game in the last year and i wish i could have all the hours back

Karl Malone, Sunday, 17 April 2016 00:09 (six years ago) link

I'm torn; one the one hand, I had fun with my two months of FO4. On the other, there was a lot of bullshit and Bethesda seems to learn all the wrong things from what Obsidian was able to advance

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Monday, 18 April 2016 14:51 (six years ago) link

Yeah I like being the world but not necessarily playing the game, if that makes sense.. its a hoarding and shooting simulator

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 18 April 2016 22:05 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

been playing a lot of underrail, the retro indie rpg fans on the codex call "fallout 3" (one way street otm btw that place is like a fascist cell, depressing). conventional wisdom is that it has great skills/combat/crafting but the writing is lacking (compared to recent story-heavy stuff like age of decadence, the demo of which bored me stiff, and pillars of eternity, thirty hours of which bored me stiff) but i actually enjoy the writing a lot: there isn't very much of it (aha) and it's cliches, but characters (read: shopkeepers) are vivid enough for you to feel that you live in the place even if it doesn't have fallout 1 (let alone 2's) variety and scope. really the setting is closer to ultima underworld: one big dungeon peppered with communities of shopkeepers. (sneaking around facilities on the other hand recalls deus ex of all things: lockpicks, computer terminals, ventilation shafts.)

combat meanwhile is great, lots to do, lots to build to do it. much better, without hesitation, than fallout's, which was always either numbingly, prolongedly easy or impossible. audience is definitely hardcore 90s rpg fans (who are apparently also all fascists) so difficulty is v unforgiving -- not just the combat but the ease w which you can build an unworkable character (i didn't get anywhere until my third guy) -- though the experience system is terrific, and sneak-friendly: you only get it for picking up "oddities", sometimes carried by enemies but also hidden in locked containers and obscure trash piles and etc., so it's less slanted towards guns-blazing grinders than you'd think considering it's one giant dungeon crawl.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 4 July 2016 02:34 (six years ago) link

as for fallout 4 btw i haven't played it since the survival-mode patch or tried any of the dlc but about the release game at least the detractors were ultimately otm; codex piece linked upthread for instance is unchallengably damning. fun place to hang out for a while tho.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 4 July 2016 02:38 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Now I have a good enough pc I want to play 4, having loved 3 and Vegas. Is anyone still playing? Recommend?

"Stop researching my life" (Ste), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 14:17 (six years ago) link

my recommendation is that you definitely play 4, especially if you like 3/NV. it is terrific.

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 15:01 (six years ago) link

it's worth at least skimming the rpgcodex review a little upthread, which is pretty much otm

i played all the main quest missions and a good chunk of the side missions and it was diverting but never particularly surprising. not nearly as good as new vegas imo, which remains my favourite of the newer fallouts

pokemon go speed run (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 15:04 (six years ago) link

yes definitely read the depressing 80,000 word diatribe before starting, I personally never start a game without convincing myself it's a abomination to man and god first

qualx, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 17:54 (six years ago) link

there are a lot of games out there which are really fun in the beginning but the longer you play them the more glaring their faults become. this probably describes most games. u see this a lot in steam reviews - someone will have 80+ hours played in a game but the review is terribly negative.

Mordy, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 18:00 (six years ago) link

Yes the general opinion of most just seems to be that it's a crap RPG but a great open world game.

It's 50% as well, so it's in the bag.

"Stop researching my life" (Ste), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 21:13 (six years ago) link

50% off I meant

"Stop researching my life" (Ste), Wednesday, 3 August 2016 21:14 (six years ago) link

I mostly regret the time I spent in F4. I agree with whoever said that it's a very lonely experience.

calstars, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 21:52 (six years ago) link

With some interminable tasks like structure / town building

calstars, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 21:54 (six years ago) link

Game is worth playing, but a step down story wise and construction from New Vegas.

Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Saturday, 6 August 2016 05:32 (six years ago) link

It's a fun place to visit. Definitely worth playing if you can get it on sale? I dunno I played a fuckton and then all of a sudden hit a wall and got bored with it - unfortunately after I sprung for the season pass. I keep telling myself I'm gonna dip back in but haven't yet..

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 6 August 2016 15:39 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

i've been playing fallout 4 for a few months now and i'm starting to get tired of it and there's still a ton of the world i haven't even seen yet. it's funny how none of the new stuff is really mandatory so it ends up feeling exactly like fallout 3/new vegas unless you opt into that stuff. i've only done the structure/town building a couple of times when it was required for a mission and i almost never use power armor. i've got like five sets of power armor stashed around the map but i never really feel like i need to use it.

na (NA), Monday, 7 November 2016 18:21 (six years ago) link

it seems pretty even in quality with 3 and new vegas to me, which still shades as a disappointment for a next-gen game. it doesn't even really look much better than those games, and it's just as glitchy. i've still gotten a lot of fun out of it though.

na (NA), Monday, 7 November 2016 18:23 (six years ago) link

I enjoyed it while I played it but I accidentally stumbled into fighting for a different faction than the one I wanted to, and while I keep meaning to go back to it I just never do... Could never be bothered with the building stuff and I'm the same with power armour, like I'd store it for when I *needed* it but then just go ahead and not use it anyway

ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, 7 November 2016 19:11 (six years ago) link

I enabled infinite ammo and it makes the game much more fun imo

calstars, Monday, 7 November 2016 21:37 (six years ago) link

Still haven't finished this shit tho

calstars, Monday, 7 November 2016 21:37 (six years ago) link

i think maybe it's ... too big? i play a lot of open-world games but i think after this i'll need to play something more linear to take a break

na (NA), Monday, 7 November 2016 21:39 (six years ago) link

i was reading that critical essay up there and it mentions so many things i haven't even seen yet

na (NA), Monday, 7 November 2016 21:40 (six years ago) link

I have yet to get this and I'm a little intimidated now!

Is there a PS4 version with all the DLC crap yet, or are they still chunking out DLC?

mh 😏, Monday, 7 November 2016 21:40 (six years ago) link

My approach on these, if the game allows it, is to take a linear path through to the end, and then run around doing other junk for fun, little clean-up quests. If the narrative branches a lot, then I'll play through a second time instead of doing things post-game, and not concentrate on getting to the end.

I just remember figuring out back in the Fallout 2 days that there was one gun store that had a fully-stocked basement, a single dude working there, and virtually no penalty for taking him out as soon as possible. Running around the wasteland and just blasting everyone after that was a joy.

mh 😏, Monday, 7 November 2016 21:43 (six years ago) link

I think that's the thing that was missing from Fallout 3. It really needed a trail of venomous candy just under the surface urging you to become a complete sociopath. The promise of reconciling with your father, who is a force for good in the world, is bullshit. It's a dog-eat-dogmeat world out there. Even if you help your people, they'll end up exiling you anyway.

mh 😏, Monday, 7 November 2016 22:22 (six years ago) link

i basically already said this but i think if you enjoyed fallout 3/new vegas and are ok with a game that doesn't really add much new to those games except a new story and slightly better graphics, getting fallout 4 is worth it. i think i paid like $20 for a used copy and i don't have any regrets.

na (NA), Monday, 7 November 2016 22:36 (six years ago) link

I'm enjoying what little I've played, made a big mistake of looting loads and not saving - then dieing. Kinda stopped me from loading it up for a bit. I'll return, wiser.

"Stop researching my life" (Ste), Monday, 7 November 2016 23:26 (six years ago) link

The amount of mental memory these kids of games required is pretty great. It's almost like having a job

calstars, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 00:21 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

oh for heavens sake. I just spent 7 levels not realising i could activate the greyed out perks. So now my Strength is maxed out, but who cares.

Ste, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 00:21 (five years ago) link

flip side, I am enjoying it. Love the weapon crafting and half enjoying base building although don't see much point in it - at least gives me some reason to loot the shit out of anything though.

But yeah filling my fallout 3 thirst.

Flip again..

Some annoying glitch with mouse menu selection, why hasn't that been fixed?

Dialogue stuff is awful lol

Annoying dogmeat is annoying.

Ste, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 00:26 (five years ago) link

Not being able to update the radio playlists without disabling achievements is some bullshit imo

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 15 December 2016 01:04 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

has anyone tried any of the dlc for 4?

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 22:20 (five years ago) link

Haven't. Supppsedly better than the main story, but that's it surprising.

Jackson Galactic Brain Meme (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 23:42 (five years ago) link

four years pass...


calstars, Saturday, 6 November 2021 22:27 (one year ago) link

three months pass...


me: don't do a fallout tv series
amazon: goggins is playing a ghoul
me: please do the fallout tv series

Clay, Saturday, 19 February 2022 01:59 (nine months ago) link

he's got the face for it

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 19 February 2022 23:19 (nine months ago) link

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