old and retro video games and how you play them (emulation, fpga, vintage hardware, remasters, analogue, whatever)

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i couldn't find a thread as kind of a catch all for this stuff so i figured why not make one?

my buddy bought two fpga misters and is sending one my way and im very excited to tool around with these things!

i have a working snes (i think?) with a bunch of games and a crt, but nowhere to really plug it in so i guess i'll be re-enjoying those games on this weird little stack of pcbs! really tempted to see if i can find a home for the crt though, playing these games on the boob tube might just be the best.

talk to me about your expensive analogue machines, your mame projects, uh whatever!

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 16:56 (two months ago) link

I got hooked on acquiring emulators and curating a collection of games for a couple of years, so I have:

-NES Mini (hacked to have more games. A friend helped me do this)
-SNES Mini (hacked to have more games. A friend helped me do this)
-SEGA Genesis MINI
-Neo Geo Mini (International version; different versions come with different libraries of games)
-Anbernic RG350, a little handheld emulator device that runs retro systems, MAME, PS1 & a handful older computer game ports
-RetroPie
-OpenEmu for Mac on various computers

Evan, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 18:44 (two months ago) link

Just OpenEmu for me, and SCUMMV for adventure games, and whatever's on Switch

I'd love to try building a RetroPie or a Mister something like that, but it really is *so* easy to just connect an HDMI from my laptop to my TV, even though it feels like cheating

I'm so reliant on save states to finish games (mostly just love playing old platformers like SM3 and G&G and Shinobi) but I'm always thinking, how the ***fuck*** did anyone ever complete these without them? They're *so* difficult

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:30 (two months ago) link

This reminds me, I had this weird sticklebrick-sized device with a little red button that plugged into the back of my Amstrad, that was apparently a way of hacking games and getting infinite lives. It never worked! Always crashed the game. Can't remember what it was called though

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:33 (two months ago) link

but I'm always thinking, how the ***fuck*** did anyone ever complete these without them? They're *so* difficult

― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 19:30 (thirty-five minutes ago) link

Same! I'm pretty bad at retro games myself.

Evan, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:07 (two months ago) link

ooh i think i saw a video about that anbernic thing, evan! is it good?

re: the mister i wasnt even planning on getting one, but de10 boards went on sale when my friend was buying, he said i have 10 mins to close out this shopping cart you want one, and i was like uhhh yeah lets do it! ive never been much for plugging a laptop into the tv - not enough room, and i also like the idea of a device specifically for playing old games vs an entire computer which i could just end up watching youtube instead on.

i wanna know more about this amstrad cheat device now haha

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:09 (two months ago) link

xp when I was home a little while ago I found some very old stuff of mine that included a whole sheet with Road Rash II passwords. I know Desert Strike and other games used this as well, but like you’re saying, not universal by a long shot.

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:12 (two months ago) link

Yeah the RG350 is very cool! Some horror stories about units bricking for various reasons, but if you treat it nicely and charge it correctly and don't recklessly mess with the software it is that much more likely to be OK. It's fun to have Simpsons arcade game and Mother 3 and Marathon 2 and Metal Slug and Tony Hawk 3 all on a handheld device. Living the dream!

Evan, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:18 (two months ago) link

I use OpenEmu. There are some pretty comprehensive ROM collections on archive.org.

I've been trying to play Actraiser 2 this week because it looks so beautiful but it's really hard!!

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:28 (two months ago) link

I do have my old SNES and NES in storage but I would be really surprised if they still powered on.

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:28 (two months ago) link

Also my retro gaming is pretty basic - I have a snes & nes mini, stuff on switch like outrun, emulators like Zsnes & Kega (lol) for other stuff. I rarely play any of them much and then do like ten hours of Desert Strike or something I’ve played a million times before. Really only play a few of the older games through emulators cos I’m lazy af.

mardheamac (gyac), Tuesday, 22 March 2022 20:31 (two months ago) link

retropie with torrented game bundles (deleted most of the sports ones though)

haven't used it in months but I like to do 'game roulette' using the 'select a random game' option. worst case you spend five minutes trying to play something that's laughably bad, best case you discover something that's actually pretty good

salsa shark, Tuesday, 22 March 2022 22:30 (two months ago) link

I have never managed to complete Out Run even with saves

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 10:36 (two months ago) link

Unrelatedly, I went on a coastal driving trip in the South of France a couple years ago, and drove along with the Out Run themes on the stereo. It was amazing, a proper "small child in adult's body" fun experience

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 10:39 (two months ago) link

i have a retropie with some old faves on it but the cheap controller i bought for it isn't great. i have ps2 controller and n64 controller and probably just need x-to-usb converters for them.

koogs, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 11:11 (two months ago) link

aw geez now i am wishing this thing i just bought could handle outrun 2. playing that again would rule. i have it on my pc but last time i tried to play it, i tried modding it to have a better framerate and accidentally somehow made it 4x speed? rendering my install unplayable!!

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:26 (two months ago) link

outrun2006 is awesome. There's a mod program that lets you turn off the clock so you could just cruise around

xxp You are my hero

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:34 (two months ago) link

had a candy cabinet rig ages ago. Now the living room "tv" is a 24" monitor on a swivel mount (for vertical arcade games or pinball)... 2 old Wii fightsticks hooked up to an old Linux laptop running Retroarch. How's that different from openemu again?

i was leery to get back into all this, knowing the time it takes to config. Retroarch is impressive though.

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:38 (two months ago) link

oooh i would definitely love to play outrun 2006 without the clock, on that marathon mode where you go through every single level. but goddamn if ever there were a game that NEEDS a remaster where it's just the same game but running in 120 fps, that is it

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 21:48 (two months ago) link

the amount of Outrun games is the most amazing show of restraint in gaming

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 22:31 (two months ago) link

(yes i keep an analog controller handy with my setup)

maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 22:32 (two months ago) link

i think the weird licensing deal with ferrari is the only reason they showed that much restraint! you cant even buy it on steam anymore iirc

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 23:04 (two months ago) link

omg what a thread, this is so up my alley!!! okay, so

I used to have a Raspberry Pi 3 w/ RetroPie and it served me v v well for everything up to PlayStation 1, then a few years ago a friend gave me an Intel NUC mini PC for my bday and it has changed everything, now I can do N64 (which I had as a kid) and PS2 (which I did not). So my current setup is this mini PC connected to my TV, it has Windows 10 and it boots automatically into Steam Big Picture Mode. In addition to all of my Steam games, I also have a ton of PS2 games added as individual games that are configured to launch with PCSX2, and then I have RetroArch added as a "game" and that launches RetroArch in full screen mode where I have all of my pre-PS2 games organized into playlists. All of this is controlled with a DualShock 4 but I have an app called DS4Windows that tricks the OS into thinking it's an Xbox controller instead (much better compatibility, rumble support, etc). I don't do ROM sets, I only download the specific games I want.

I've also got a jailbroken first-gen Wii w/ a hard drive attached that has a ton of Wii and GameCube games (which I play w an original Wavebird controller)

Stevie D(eux), Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:05 (two months ago) link

xp They all use a Ferrari? i wonder if there'd be anything stopping them just using fictional fast cars. No idea. I like Outrun a lot more than i like cars.

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:04 (two months ago) link

Nice Stevie

a couple of key points in there for anyone thinking to dive into these things:

- Pi seems really convenient as a standard machine than you could download readymade setups for

- if you go with huge romsets or not, have a tight, go-to list of your favorites, or else it's a mess

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:10 (two months ago) link

ya Pi is honestly perfect. I had RetroPie installed I it but apparently there’s something newer and better people are using instead now.

Are we allowed to post our fav spots for ROMs?

Stevie D(eux), Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:42 (two months ago) link

Used to use SCUMMVM and DOSBOX a bit, but the games would so often look blocky to the point of unintelligable on the screen. I really wanted to replay Dungeon Keeper but it looked shite!

Now, occasionally I'll play old Dreamcast/megadrive and SNES games on the Switch, but again, it feels clunky, really disapointed with the Occarina port for eg.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 01:55 (two months ago) link

ya I read an article abt how bad the Ocarina release was. Apparently they’ve released an update that fixed a lot of the issues but damn, how embarrassing that Nintendo’s own rereleases are worse than something you could emulate yourself

Stevie D(eux), Thursday, 24 March 2022 12:41 (two months ago) link

Oh another thing I want to say, emulation has made me realize that I’m not a purist and that I actually love the improvements and quality of life hacks that emulators can do. I don’t fuck w CRT shaders or anything but I love that you can set the internal resolution of stuff to like 2-4x and it renders everything so smoothly and makes it look like an HD remaster

Stevie D(eux), Thursday, 24 March 2022 12:44 (two months ago) link

I got Ocarina after the recent fixes, it seems fine? I haven't got that far yet.

Excuse my lack of knowledge, but can you get the Pi to emulate PS2 and WiiU games? I've got a WiiU & WindWaker stashed in the basement but I never get them out because it's such a ugly big piece of crap to have lying around (the PS2 also)

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 24 March 2022 12:57 (two months ago) link

i haven't done much with Pi but my laptop from 2012 is not much better. I've read that N64 and PS1 is about the limit for the current Pis.

I'm doing in-home streaming from a better system (to wherever in the house... ethernet wired) for anything PS2 and up. Been playing San Andreas with a friend, upscaled. I don't know how well they've fixed up the remasters for GTA3 but I don't think I'd have the patience for it without savestates.

Per upthread, old games might've been harder (which you wanted if you only had a few to play per year or whatever) but they also "respected" your time a lot less. Things was different 🤷‍♂️

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 24 March 2022 13:26 (two months ago) link

Oh another thing I want to say, emulation has made me realize that I’m not a purist and that I actually love the improvements and quality of life hacks that emulators can do. I don’t fuck w CRT shaders or anything but I love that you can set the internal resolution of stuff to like 2-4x and it renders everything so smoothly and makes it look like an HD remaster

― Stevie D(eux), Thursday, March 24, 2022 8:44 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

interesting! i have to see how this stuff has come. i used to use zsnes a bunch way back in the day -- like maybe even 20 years ago, or lets say 15 -- and all of the smoothing effects made the games look awful to me. like the weird curviness of the anti aliasing made everything look like it was made of weird candies in a bad way. i should look into the newer ones to see how that has come along!

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Thursday, 24 March 2022 16:41 (two months ago) link

Outrun fans, I recommend that you check out Cannonball, a game engine that outputs an Outrun rom in widescreen, 60 fps, and other stuff.

I've got an Atari 2600 Jr with broken/missing cables in the garage, so I've been using old hardware to create emulator machines, to various levels of success. A hacked Wii, a Toshiba laptop running Batocera, and currently a Fire HD 8 with Lemuroid side-loaded. The latter two work great with an 8BitDo controller.

Vernon Locke, Friday, 25 March 2022 02:20 (two months ago) link

Wow, thanks for that Cannonball link - looks great! I've been waiting for a time trial mode my whole life.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 25 March 2022 10:54 (two months ago) link

that thing rules. I see there's a Linux version too.. getting that. Are there other single game emulators around these days?

Sat down with Outrun2006 and realized I don't have all the cars available. Fixed that with this savefile and while i'm at it this is the page for the mod program i mentioned. Also adds rumble and enables lens flare (which the other versions have and was just... left turned off in the PC version?)

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 26 March 2022 14:02 (two months ago) link

someone else reading might also appreciate that this exists. 23 variations of Magical Sound Shower.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 26 March 2022 14:05 (two months ago) link

Excuse my lack of knowledge, but can you get the Pi to emulate PS2 and WiiU games? I've got a WiiU & WindWaker stashed in the basement but I never get them out because it's such a ugly big piece of crap to have lying around (the PS2 also)

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, March 24, 2022 7:57 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

So I'm maybe 3-4 years out of date on this but in my exp the Pi taps out at around N64. The Pi 3 I had choked on N64 games frequently enough that I just never really bothered with it, but I think the Pi 4 fares better with it. I know Wii/GC emulation is a lot less demanding than PS2 so you MIGHT be able to get some of that working, but for PS2 and WiiU you prob need an actual PC

interesting! i have to see how this stuff has come. i used to use zsnes a bunch way back in the day -- like maybe even 20 years ago, or lets say 15 -- and all of the smoothing effects made the games look awful to me. like the weird curviness of the anti aliasing made everything look like it was made of weird candies in a bad way. i should look into the newer ones to see how that has come along!

― Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Thursday, March 24, 2022 11:41 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

so the 3D upscaling is mostly for PS1/N64 stuff, and only 3D content and notv2D sprites, BUT a few years ago someone figured out how to render SNES Mode7 stuff at super high resolutions and it looks WILD (and it's included in SNES emulators now!)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/04/hd-emulation-mod-makes-mode-7-snes-games-look-like-new/

Stevie D(eux), Saturday, 26 March 2022 16:41 (two months ago) link

Yeah pretty sure Pi can't do anything generally N64 or beyond but I'm also 3-4 years out of date! Also N64 itself is a tricky system for people to emulate for its own reasons, but that's a side note.

Evan, Saturday, 26 March 2022 18:22 (two months ago) link

Bought and built one of these with a pi:

https://monsterjoysticks.com/all-in-one-joysticks

Bit overpriced maybe but a joyful thing to have and muck around with.

Runs retropie and I mostly just have some basic mame and snes stuff on it - that keeps me happy.

woof, Saturday, 26 March 2022 18:46 (two months ago) link

more playing than configuring you're ahead of the, er, game!

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 26 March 2022 19:49 (two months ago) link

I did an expensive and convoluted thing for N64 play. N64 systems were wired to transmit RGB video, but in the US, we only got S-Video out (a single video channel instead of three). In EU, the 90s-era SCART output contained all three channels of video; I got the cabling so my N64 outputs SCART.

I had purchased some budget x-to-HDMI converters over the years for gaming but was always appalled at how weird and bad the results were. After shopping around online I decided to "fuck it" and I got a Framemaster, which converts many kinds of input into HDMI and allows a number of scaling and colouring options, as well as emulation of tube TVs with scanlines and so forth. I run SCART into it and It looks fantastic.

I sold all my N64 cartridges (except one, which I kept for dumb sentimental reasons), and got an Everdrive (a N64 cartridge loaded up with an SD card containing every game ever made for the system in every region and lots of home-brews and hacks).

Aside from that I have a SNES that I hacked myself, I've hacked SNESes for the children of friends three times now, I have a folder of age-appropriate ROMs on hand in case I'm asked to do it again

flow, my crimson tears (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 26 March 2022 20:30 (two months ago) link

consider changing the name of your product to avoid any legal trouble

maf you one two (maffew12), Sunday, 27 March 2022 21:47 (two months ago) link

fgti that’s incredible!!!

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 27 March 2022 21:51 (two months ago) link

someone else reading might also appreciate that this exists. 23 variations of Magical Sound Shower.

― maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, March 26, 2022 10:05 AM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha ive got this on the ol hard drive :) im more of a splash wave guy, but the arranged version of passing breeze on disc 9 is all time

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Tuesday, 29 March 2022 15:11 (one month ago) link

just bought a 3ds to install custom firmware on and become my goto all generation handheld device. keen to try some gba titles I never got round to. Apparently it emulates a fair proportion of psx games too, very keen to play silent hill while getting my tan on at the local beach this weekend

hrep (H.P), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 01:15 (one month ago) link

I generally just use whatever emulators exist on pc for retro gaming. DosBox for old pc games, Project 64 for N64 stuff, Vice for C64, WinUAE for Amiga, Spectaculator for Spectrum, also a souped up Spectrum app which the name escapes me right now (not at my home pc)

and Mame for arcade games of course, generally only ever play 1942 really though.

I like retro games that have been re-developed for modern hardware as well. Cannonball for Outrun is a great example.

I still own actual hardware like an Amiga, Spectrum +2 (a few of these) but setting up to use is barely worth it when I can play everything on my desktop.

As much as i love the older games from my childhood, playing them is becoming less and less these days.

Ste, Wednesday, 30 March 2022 12:34 (one month ago) link

ugh i wish i still had my old amiga! i think i sold it for 50 bucks to buy a single game boy game in 1997

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 30 March 2022 19:38 (one month ago) link

they stuck a spectrum emulator on a raspberry pi zero into a cassette shell...

https://magpi.raspberrypi.com/articles/zx-spectrum-raspberry-pi-cassette

top picture not the best - it's the back side and mostly heatsink. but lol at the choice of cassette - a boots c15 - cheap and useful for only one thing.

koogs, Friday, 8 April 2022 15:36 (one month ago) link

5000-series "fat" PS2 (thus also a ps1) w modified network adapter + HDD for roms: SCART video out to open source scan converter, for flawless upscaling of 240/480p and smeary-but-instant passthru of 480i; optical audio out to DAC+amp

nintendo wii (thus also a gamecube) w basic library of n64 downloads actually purchased from the now discontinued and service-ized "virtual console": component video out to OSSC; rca audio out also to OSSC, to hitch ride on HDMI to TV and then back out again to DAC+amp, this is p dumb but mostly about where things are on the shelf

pc (snes9x, fusion, scummvm, dosbox etc) w wireless 8bitdo snes replica / wired hyperkin genesis replica controllers

still maintaining constant vigilance against geckos seeking to lay eggs in the warm innards of these apparata-- something early-gibson about the texture of this problem

difficult listening hour, Friday, 8 April 2022 17:03 (one month ago) link


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