Your ~terrible opinions~

BOTW: Freedom! Horrible, horrible freedom!
Bloodborne: To hell with all this dying.
Witcher 3: The writing is dumb, and I hate all of these characters, except maybe the rando peasant I threw a boxing match to so that he could win a bag of flour for his family.
Super Mario Odyssey: franchise JTS'ed when it went 3D.
Hades, Outer Wilds, Obra Dinn: All fine, don't get the fuss though.

Maybe I should just quit video games (at least until after I play Silksong).

Street Fighter is the lesser fighting game series

every world From makes is horrible and boring

Oh, and one for my beloved Hollow Knight: don't make me work to understand the story!

omg Leee i only just saw the Witcher 3 dis and well yeah we all have different feelings you monster

almost every game is too long

Three buttons was enough

Stories in videogames are maybe the worst and least interesting stories in the history of humans telling stories.

Yes

no

Maybe though

sometimes ok

stories are idk it's stories there's only 3 of them

Qbert tho it's like Aeschylus or something

Luv 2 play a jrpg, do not want 2 hear whatever bullshit npcs wanna spew at me

The only cutscenes I was ever glad I sat through were in Last of Us. Otherwise pound that ffwd button, bruh.

I would actually be very down to see the shortlist of games with interesting and involving stories. Like non-indie games, maybe, as those seem to make more of an effort.

Personas 3 thru 5
Morrowind
Qbert
A Mind Forever Voyaging
Doki Doki Literature Club

Noodle hates peasants.

disco elysium

What is the story of qbert?! I’m intrigued

First person games are bad, cut scenes longer than 10 seconds are bad, and yes, video game narratives are bad.

Except for...idk, Street Fighter? Just enough character sketched out for you to fill in the gaps with weird stories when you were a kid.

First person games are bad

First person/in car is the only way to play any driving game.

Modern games with cutesy retro graphics are shit

in car view is great (Shift did an amazing job imo with all the juddering effects - shame about the bugs) but often it's too difficult being able to assess 360 degrees information coming at you. VR can fix this sometimes.

example is GTA, in car is just stressful.

I have played more in cab view with Farming Sim lately, but this is a game that essentially relies on looking behind and forward almost all the time. There's a mod that allows me to extend the Fov which means I'm not having to rotate too much though. Forget trying to fork bales in cab though, judging distances ain't happening on a flat screen.

First person camera is a worthless evolutionary blind alley for the medium

If you don't think "inverted look" is default your brain doesn't work properly; the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Blood Omen 2 was good

Vidoe games aren't art

No Man's Sky still sucks I'm afraid.

in terms of productive things to do with your life, charitable works > creating art > reading books > watching tv > playing videogames

RDR2 is one of the worst 'games' i have ever played that i recommend to everyone

Be Here Now: the Video Game

I always want a narrative I can get invested in with games, but even I hate cut-scenes. Find a way to incorporate it into the game, guys.

otm

Most video game stories have the problem of trying to imitate the way stories work in movies or books.

Maybe not a terrible opinion/challops, but: games are more interesting when their primary inspirations aren't other games

Also, online multiplayer was a mistake

Which part of it? The games, or just the toxicity? Because I'm ok with online as long as there's no voice chat.

Ledge's life tier list seems right to me, in terms of my normal day-to-day use of free time and what makes me feel better instead of worse, I think of it like "creating art > reading books > seeing friends > watching tv > playing videogames". Even though I really like playing a select few games, I generally feel the worst about my use of time if I spend too long doing it.

xp I was half-kidding with that one. Mostly the toxicity, but also just the fact that in-person multiplayer is such a better social experience. To be fair though, online multiplayer is a nice thing to have when you're forced indoors due to a pandemic (for example).

it doesn't really make sense to me that games would be worse for your brain than tv but i guess i play a lot of puzzle games and rpg/strategy type games, maybe if you're just playing uncharted type stuff it's worse

the only time online multiplayer is superior than local co-op is when it does things that are otherwise impossible, like a 100-player battle royale. otherwise, it is very much better to play with friends than strangers (unless your friends are also kids who keep their mic on all the time and are constantly arguing with their siblings)

I do feel that playing games is more active in terms of using my brain, but I mostly watch tv with my wife, so it's more of a shared experience that can generate discussion, etc. But I also feel better after watching something really engaging like say The Leftovers and doing some personal reflection, whereas playing games is more like going to the gym for my brain, a loop of quick thinking and reactions.

The one time I remember playing a game all day - skyrim, from getting up to going to bed - I felt sordid and dirty. Possibly I've never watched TV for such a sustained period but I think that at its best TV (and films) can be as, ahem, improving, as literature, but all games teach you is how to play games. Sorry for old fashioned reithian ideas but this is a terrible opinions thread.

That's total bs, dude, I just slayed a frost troll in the street the other day

Yeah even though playing MtG Arena or a Dark Souls game is very mentally engaging, I feel strung out if I ever play for more than an hour.

Don't agree with any of the ranking given above but it is as noted a terrible opinions thread

it's bad to break character because the central conceit of this thread is opinions that you kinda believe are indefensible but it's pretty fucking obvious that no aspect of culture is inherently less improving - lol - than another

Mario Odyssey is a distinctly underwhelming experience, a bunch of eh decentish unexciting levels dragged down by the utterly terrible New Donk City part, that was all just utter bullshit

New Donk City was a goddamn festival

atlus has only made one good game and it's radiant historia

Dino Riki is 10x better than 1942

smb3 is the worst game of all time

lol

i just wanted to be terrible!

i haven't played dino riki, and the sad fact is that i've played 1943 more than 1942 :(

I've had it with these Hollywood celebrities. Keanu Reeves gets to sit in his car lobbing old chicken bones at people outside the shopping parade without a blind bit of notice. Me, I get arrested for farting on the bus. Unfair

Sorry, didn't realise this was ILG. Bit still

*but

What they should do about cut scenes: All these games should have an option to let you watch a whole bunch of extended cut scenes that explain the lore and backstory of the game while you eat your dinner, and then as soon as you're done, you just jump straight into the action.

I actually like cut scenes

So as not to derail the Elden Ring thread... I don't know why I'm so sensitive to not enjoying sacred cows, I'm not that way anymore with other media nowadays. Maybe because I'm overconsuming a very monolithic slice of games criticism that constantly bangs on about the same bunch of games?

I could see how it would be annoying since the Souls games are critically beloved.

I, on the other hand, agree with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q38fjcyP1IQ

Hah ha, fair enough. But for simpletons like me, running on a 20 year lag, this game (well the last game at least) is the stuff.

I'm not disagreeing with Dunkey there (after watching the video for 20 seconds), but I assume it glosses over a lot of what makes Horizon better than other open world games (that I've never played and probably will never play).

(I'm getting my terrible opinions out of my system.)

i can't listen to that cunt's voice

i can't vibe with From games tbh

Dunkey's voice is quintessential "guy who is rude to fast food workers"

i wd disagree with the 15 seconds of his premise that i hung in for anyway

i'd happily forever play iterations of games i already like with different stories and locations, innovation's fine but i don't think it matters much to lots of gamers

if your favorite band puts out a 5x LP you're probably overjoyed while the average person isn't interested in hearing the band's 20th through 50th best songs. open world games almost always feel like this unless the gameplay fundamentally makes use of distance and space (e.g. forza horizon). i don't think breath of the wild or elden ring are at all exempt here, theres just a lot of people whose favorite band is zelda or dark souls

my favorite band is marble madness but the debut was too perfect to follow-up so they retired

along the same line of reasoning, botw's world being so sparsely populated is actually an important part of why it was such a hit

Disco Elysium as an exemplar of writing? IDGI, and don't feel the itch to ever play it again.

Stories in videogames are maybe the worst and least interesting stories in the history of humans telling stories.

You mean like on a PC? That would get annoying fast.

I actually like a lot of video game stories, and the immersion of playing them often lifts even the boilerplate stuff. I also find, just as no bad lyrics sink a great album but great lyrics make great albums better, that when you *do* come across great writing in video games, it makes an impact. I think of something like "Hades," an otherwise simple game which is really lifted by the quality (and quantity) of writing. "Red Dead Redemption 2" is an example of a relatively boilerplate story that is improved by the quality/quantity of writing. Or even "Hollow Knight," where the translated jibber-jabber of the characters give the (non) story more appeal, and your exploration more interest.

Though I'd argue both "Last of Us" games are elevated not really by the quality of the writing (which isn't bad) but the quality of the *acting*, which is especially unusual in video games.