Cyberpunk 2077

Despite some bad press, I couldn't resist so I picked this up.

Have yet to experience a bug after the first hour, fwiw.

what's the bad press saying?

have to admit, as a Witcher 3 fan I'm psyched

ah glitches and stuff, not necessarily the game. i'm sure patches will smooth it out eventually.

Seems that it doesn't run very well on original PS4 & X Box

Literally unplayable on my Dreamcast

I know some people had noted that all the advance gameplay released/leaked was from the computer version, which conspicuously was the only version the company provided to reviewers, iirc.

little bit funny that this game runs like shit on a console generation that hadn't even been released when they began work on it

well, i'm downloading it to my PS4 anyway. Witcher 3 is my favourite game of recent times so I'm psyched

let us know which genitals you pick

i think word's gotten around pretty well by now but there was a sequence in the game that was giving people seizures so be careful out there if you're epileptic

I hear it's not much of an RPG, as in: it's even more scripted/cinematic/railroaded than the usual AAA fare. I'm still going to play it, though – just not now. When the GOTY edition with all the DLCs goes on sale in December 2022, that'll be my cue. Hopefully I'll also have a better rig by then.

yeah most of the impressions i've heard are that it really doesnt have much shared dna with witcher at all and that it's more like a bigger fancier version of the later deus ex games. plus some GTA in the open world design

will hopefully have patched in further dong sliders by then too

also lots of broken animations and characters t-posing even in major story scenes

I'm hearing that the driving is not so nice, which concerns me.

Can’t be worse than Roach

I will not be playing this:

1. I find Witcher 3 wildly overpraised for its rather rudimentary writing (I'll grant that its dialogue has personality).
2. It's a first-person game, and as someone who's sensitive to motion sickness, seeing the game's driving instantly made me dizzy.

driving on pc kinda sucks, i wonder if it would be better on console. although CDPR primarily develops for PC so i dunno

For my money, there's maybe a couple of CRPGs (Planescape: Torment, Disco Elysium) that top TW3 in the writing department (well, as far as the side quests are concerned – its main quest was middling at best), so which ones did you have in mind, Leee?

eh, footage I've seen is third person driving and first person walking/fighting. You can't do the latter in a third person view?

Thinking to try this, it's the first time I've had the hardware to run the hot new thing. And the motif is cool. I'm generally witch averse.

Multiplayer apparently isn't coming til 2022 or even later. Lots of time to get decent at it!

i will play this when i get a ps5, sometime late next year

up until recently i was planning on being an early ps5 adopter, but then my macbook pro exploded so that ps5 became a mac mini. life is so hard

Depending what part of the MacBook exploded, that could've been a nice Mini

Maybe get it on Stadia?

https://www.vg247.com/2020/11/19/cyberpunk-2077-comes-free-copy-stadia-premiere/

They reportedly hit more than a million simultaneous players on Steam. I can't remember the last time a game was hyped this hard.

shame to see another death march rewarded

it's 2077. Ashton and Dax are up to it again.

so which ones did you have in mind, Leee?

Not any RPGs I can think of, tbh (though if we broaden to narrative-driven games, I'd say anything from Naughty Dog would be an obvious improvement). I mean, I'm probably cherry-picking, but there was one Skellige sidequest that just made me give up on the game entirely: Geralt helping the daughter of the thane (or whatever his title) exorcise a haunted place that involved cooking a baby but no not really.

Fair enough! Btw that one didn't especially bother me. I get the sense that very few players actually went through with Cerys's plan, which is so obviously batshit that it's almost an Easter egg. Anyhow, I think Hearts of Stone is the best-written yarn in the whole series..

lol didn't know we had this feature

speaking of stadia, has anybody tried it?

now that i'm working from home, i.e. sitting in my office on zoom for 6-9 hrs a day, i'm using a wired "gigabit" connection that reliably gets 300-500 Mbps (depending on the time of day)

maybe it would make sense?

there was some discussion on the google gaming thread but it didn't seem like anybody ever gave it a shot

i'm thinking since i don't really care at all for multiplayer gaming maybe the lag wouldn't bother me as much as it does other ppl

If I hadn't upgraded my computer recently I definitely would have considered it to play this game. But not for an extra $100.

a pal of mine has stadia and said it works. have to have 'fuck you' internet though, which it sounds like you do

90% of the commentary on this on the web has been “it runs like poop.” Is the *game* any good ?

you can have two dongs

you can make ur char a sex offender
https://i.imgur.com/wH8o144.jpg

lol barcode, I admire your commitment to the dong.

smash that mf'ing RB
https://i.imgur.com/IqM3PUO.jpg

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you can choose whether you have nipples but you can't be fat

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— Rob Keyes (@rob_keyes) December 10, 2020

Having never bought a big AAA PC title digitally... it makes no difference where I buy it, right? I guess the developer has some tie with gog.com, and the game's subreddit is yelling at people to buy it there. gog.com is prominently advertising "100% of your money goes to" the developer as if they are starving artists. No doubt it's pretty wild at that studio right now but it's weird to see the Bandcamp-style promo for such a huge release.

I use Steam in-home streaming sometimes, but I can just add it in to Steam and it'll be the same as if I bought it there, right? Don't care about Steam achievements and all that.

GOG is DRM-free, which means you don't need their launcher to run the game.

it's weird to see the Bandcamp-style promo for such a huge release

not only that, they made public the fact that developers get 10% of revenue ... for 2020 sales only. buy the game now or the dev gets it!

OK OK OK !

yeah cd projekt owns GOG so they obviously want you to buy their game on their own site so they dont have to pay steam the 30% cut or whatever it is

lol cdpr has been doing that "100% of proceeds go to the CDPR fund" thing for years to make you feel like you're donating to charity and not a company that famously underpays and overworks its employees

valve sucks too just buy it on whatever you want

Don't buy it on PS4 or XBox One though

yeah i'd be the opposite. i built a new pc just before this came out (not for this game -- in fact buying it was an impulse decision to "see what my new computer could do") and while i enjoyed the gunplay and the golden path missions and some of the sidequests stuff, the degree to which i needed to turn down my graphics to get even a decent framerate was very annoying and it just didn't look that good. the hud/ui, which at the very least i would have expected to look slick as fuck for a cyberpunk game, barely felt a step above fallout 3? and since the computer i built isn't a multi-thousand-dollar powerhouse or anything, i figured ah its just not that powerful, maybe nothing runs THAT good. then i installed forza horizon 4 and play it on ultra in 1440p (vs cyberpunk which i played on 1080p, didnt have new monitor yet) and consistently get 60-80 frames so uhhh

even when someone can get it running at 4k or whatever, it's all either so drab or sickly bright in such an unappealing way. too much asphalt, and how much better have we gotten at rendering asphalt

It's just not a good game,i think is the issue

You guys have some pretty high standards

Tbf dl's a Witcher fan (as am I), so you'd hope Cyberpunk 2077 tops it.

i tried 2 times to get into the witcher and bounced off hard. i liked 2077 enough to finish it and come close to 100%ing it even. its fun! it has fun parts! im just saying look wise i kinda expected more than "last gen but moreso"

cyberpunk is massively flawed and probably needed at least another six months before it was released

but it's also one of the most exquisitely-realised, real-feeling game worlds i've ever played in and it has a genuine, tender affection for its main characters, who are all unusually well-written

so y'know it's a land of contrasts i guess

I'm not big on the cyberpunk aesthetic (fantasy 4evah) so I expect I'll enjoy this less than The Witcher series, but I still plan on playing it once it'll be fully patched and I'll have built myself a beefier rig. So… in 2022, probably.

I've heard that the cyberpunk aesthetic and world building is a mile wide and an inch deep, and since I was profoundly disappointed by the Witcher, this will be a hard pass.

the genre of cyberpunk is pretty silly at this point, i mean it was always silly, its just kinda antiquated now that were living in the damn cyberpunk, theres just an aesthetic left, a futures past thing, which could be cool... i guess!

i agree, cyberpunk needs to be reinvented

cybertwee

a whole world of neon signs and cyborg prostitutes is not cyberpunk, there also needs to be a farm

getting a computer face implant was always a metaphor, for the iphone

too many cyberpunk games, not enough cyberfunk games

otm

in real cyberpunk 2020 there are rural areas, right? or at least, there are nomads. and i don't know, maybe the cyberpunks don't need farms because they're on soylentX

its important for contrast, to show us what weve lost, thats why you go to michael caines house

Cyberpunk 2077 is a late 80s idea of the future since that's when the board game RPG first came out. All futurism ends up as retrofuturism eventually. Cyberpunk as a genre just seems to have hit that much earlier because the imagined futures it showed us were set, well, now mostly.

there's a solar farm AND a some-kinda-grain-probably-corn farm. you don't have a lot of missions in either tho. there's also a badlands to the east which is yeah nomad country

https://i.imgur.com/p5iWNEg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/U1D6Vc6.png

https://i.imgur.com/UP03Hpq.png

https://i.imgur.com/DvbHMdg.jpg

^ ok. I'm still not convinced, but you're proving your point.

Yeh. Sorry I just can’t get over how beautiful this game looks.

is this w/ a big fancy rtx rig? mine looked p good but that looks REAL good
(btw most of my graphics complaints are directed at hud and menus. rly feel like they'd have benefitted from more... something)

Speaking of which, I’m kind of tempted to get a new GPU as I’ve had my GTX 1070 for four years now but the ongoing shortage is more of an impediment than I expected. And it looks like there’s no end in sight.

This game runs fine on my 1070

I was so lucky to get a 2060 before the miners went crazy and the scalpers got organised.

This game is very RTX ON with all the puddles and wotnot but I'm not sure I'm into the design of the world at all. Outside of the metal on everyone's face I'm not sure its even a well imagined future city/world. The last Deus Ex game had way better world design, and its not even that good! And even in terms of GRAPHIX, I'm playing RDR2 right now and it looks way better, as well as having significantly better gameplay. I know it's nor fair to compare, but if you're an open world game in 202x you're either gotta beat RDR2/BotW/H:ZD or come with something new, and I just don't think CP77 does on either front.

This game runs fine on my 1070

Oh I’m sure it’s fine at mid-settings. Truth be told, even if I had an RTX 3080, I’d probably hold off until the game is fully patched anyway.

is this w/ a big fancy rtx rig? mine looked p good but that looks REAL good
(btw most of my graphics complaints are directed at hud and menus. rly feel like they'd have benefitted from more... something)

https://i.imgur.com/ylyg4Jz.png

Virtual dream plaza

Are the Johnny sightings around town pre determined or based on your current path? He was critiquing this busker’s guitar skills and I was like nah

https://i.imgur.com/W6uu9Yx.png
Kowloon vibez

how far through are you? i just shook down Fingers

2nd act I guess (garbage dump loading screen) with Keanu popping up now and then
I’ve been grinding on contract missions to get some better gear and level up before I continue with the story
Lot of places to explore and get familiar with
I like the idea of just hanging on a street corner for a couple hours

ha, does anything happen or you're just taking it in? i have to take some time off the story next play

i get reminded of Hong Kong a lot too. Wife is from there

https://i.imgur.com/OvOKUiC.png

https://i.imgur.com/JQQq0pK.png

On the roller coaster with Johnny

The modders are having fun with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvK_7Ohk16k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP6cRCYYff4

Another playthrough in (on Stadia, as a new GPU has been on order since December). I don't get the lovely ray-traced reflections/shadows, but also very few bugs (mostly audio looping requiring a reload), none of which are game breakers.

The good is pretty obvious: Night City looks great, especially some neighborhoods like Kabuki and Japantown; fine story & dialogue, good voice acting (Keanu and male V are actually the weakest, here), great character animation (and in 10 languages), good original score and diagetic music, quest design permitting multiple playstyles. And the bad is pretty obvious: poor NPC AI; poor game balance, wherein if one engages with much open world ("side") content, there's no challenge at the highest difficulty; a paucity of meaningful player decisions; and non-immersive presentation of open world content.

Aside from the poor performance on last-gen consoles and most PCs, the pros and cons are pretty similar to those for Witcher III at launch. I think this game will get sorted, and may attract an audience as more migrate to current systems. But CD PR isn't as modder friendly as Bethesda, and the NPCs don't have the rich characterization of a golden age Bioware game. So I'm not sure this will have legs.

https://i.imgur.com/gOEh3jb.jpg

Haven't had much chance to look into this one just yet, but even with ps1 graphics I'm very interested from what this trailer is showing us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDA3RQpSqEw

"Without Judgement" is the name of the game btw

Was hoping this would be the Action Button vid for this finally going up, back to waiting I guess :(

I have been playing the Cyberpunk game

mixed feelings, but it's definitely visually dense

https://kotaku.com/cyberpunk-2077-patch-1-5-combat-perks-traffic-ai-ps5-xb-1848537538#replies

Guess now is the time to give it a shot if you’re on next gen. Free 5 hour trial.

Now that the patch is released (and I have a dozen or so “quality of life" mods installed), I’ve picked this up and am having a blast playing it like an action game with open-world elements rather than the "next gen open world game" the developers pitched it as. I’m playing a "hack and slash" build (i.e., weaken with quickhacks then go in with my katana) and it’s pretty satisfying when the combat music kicks in and I’m leaping out of stealth with sword swinging.

As an open-world game, I don’t find it as satisfying as Red Dead Redemption 2; the world doesn’t feel as “alive”. That’s a vague descriptor, since I don’t really know how to articulate it; it’s more of a feeling, I suppose. For example, the people on the street in Cyberpunk feel more obviously like bots, whereas I was content to stand on a balcony in RDR2 and just watch folks go about their day, or follow a random walking merchant in The Witcher 3 as they wandered the roads. Or I’d stumble into little scripted events when traveling in RDR2 happening in the background. I imagine that’s easier to script in a more sparsely populated setting like RDR2 than Night City, though. (Granted, I’m one of those nerds who appreciates unnecessary, mundane things in RPGs, so wish V could sit at a noodle counter to pass the time before a mission, rather than just “using” from the inventory etc.)

That aside, it looks gorgeous, and I dig driving around at night a lot. I find the side content more engaging than, say, Ghost of Tsushima. There’s valid criticism that it doesn’t feel “new/futuristic” enough in its expression of cyberpunk, but I don’t mind that at all. I read all Gibson et al in high school, and even played a session of the tabletop game back then (around 2001 or so), so it suits me find that it still feels rooted in 80s/90s. I even leaned into it by installing a mod that switches one of the radio station to play stuff like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHMzCpy0fXc

excellent thoughts, thanks blatherskite

good music choice

Thanks. Perfect example: I was cruising around yesterday just to explore, and stumbled on this protest at a brain dance studio:

https://i.imgur.com/lp4YocY.png

I walk up to it and… nothing. There’s no dialog from the protest leader or any of the crowd members. Not even crowd noise. They’re just mutely pumping their arms. By contrast, I think of a time I was playing Red Dead Redemption 2 and stumbled across a little event as I passed by a clearing: three KKK members were arguing about how to light a cross, which then fell on them and set them on fire. It was a neat little moment that felt like the world was happening beyond my character.

(I think the worst offender I’ve encountered is L.A. Noire, which I should have loved due to its subject matter, but was completely dead: nothing ever happened in the open world outside of missions, despite how beautifully rendered the city was.)

there’s a quest related to the protest you can do, but it starts elsewhere

Finally finished this after beginning in February. Opinion didn’t waver much from the above: a blast to play, but some frustration that I could see a better game peeking through if some of it had been fleshed out a bit more. (For instance, after finishing their side jobs, the romance partners don’t really have much to say or do, beyond some texts.)

For those who finished, what ending did you all get, and were you happy with it?

I originally started going for the ending where V joins the nomads, since it seemed a closest to a happy ending. As it progressed, though, I felt dissatisfied. I always played V as lusting after Night City fame, so it didn’t feel right the my level 45 badass would chuck it all to live a dusty tent, even if Judy joined her. I opted for the secret ending, instead, so I could storm Arasaka with Johnny at my side and become queen of the Afterlife. Plus, the final scene approaching the space casino gave me heavy Neuromancer vibes. A shame about being dumped by Judy but, hey, I bet the DLC will include whoever the player romances, even in passing. And if not, well, we only knew each other a few in-game weeks at most, right?