xp these consoles are as much better than ps4 as ps4 was than ps3, the CPU in particular is a tremendous boost since the PS4 CPU already kinda sucked at launch whereas these ones are good at launch. once some actual games come out this will become evident but you can already see it somewhat by comparing the spiderman games
i think there's going to be heavy diminishing returns after this generation because physical TV size sets a limit for how good fidelity needs to be but we're not quite there yet
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 November 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
With VR + 120hz + if 3D is due for a comeback, plenty of room for power use imo
― Nhex, Saturday, 7 November 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
VR sure i guess, framerates above 60 aren't a big deal for casual gaming and competitive gamers are all on PC anyway, 3D please no
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 November 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
We haven't yet seen AAA games in 4k120. I feel like that'll be the next big "wow" factor (and also probably limited to games like GTA VII or something). But even seeing games over 60hz - which nobody is even streaming at in the present - can be impressive
― Nhex, Saturday, 7 November 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
60->120hz is really not a wow factor like 30->60hz is imo. the only time i ever feel the difference is mouselook games, where you're moving the camera quickly and constantly, and mouselook doesn't exist on consoles
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 November 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link
i guess if console gamers are willing to finally embrace gyro aim like nintendo folks do then it can matter more but there's still ridiculous pushback to that afaik
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 November 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
GTA VII
lol at skipping VI when V is 7 years deep and on its third generation of console. GTA VII will be a delayed launch title for PS7 in 2033.
― here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Saturday, 7 November 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link
true, i was being optimistic lol
― Nhex, Saturday, 7 November 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
GTA VII: 2020
― calstars, Saturday, 7 November 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
i've seen a few of these PS4 vs PS5 comparison videos now (Miles Morales was the last one) and i'm struggling to see any significant difference between the two. maybe a tiny bit of motion improvement, a small amount of background detail here and there, but it looks like the days of huge leaps from say the NES to the SNES or even PSOne to PS2 are over now. We've hit a ceiling in terms of graphical output, one which as a kid I used to only dream about: "What if the games looked like reality, how amazing would that be?". I'm also underwhelmed by the games that are leading the PS5 roll-out: They all seem to be sequels or remakes or just slightly dandied-up versions of existing games, so very little for me to get exicted about. Obvs we're going to see more getting rolled out in the coming year, but for now the PS5 feels less like a brand new console and more like an upgraded PS4.
― Specific Ocean Blue (dog latin), Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:33 (three years ago) link
theres really no PS5 games yet, just PS4 games running on higher settings
the big upgrade this gen is the CPU so other than higher framerates (which, 30 to 60fps is still a notable quality of life boost for action games) you won't see a big difference until they stop making games that can run on the PS4 and then stuff like better AI, better physics simulation, denser open world simulation, etc are all on the table. whether devs can do cool stuff with that i dunno yet
the other big upgrade is the controller haptics but obviously you can't see that in videos
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
Yeah, was gonna say, you rarely see what a system can do right out of the gate for numerous reasons.
I'm excited about the Demon's Souls remake, but that's about it right now. OK with waiting until it has an actual library.
― circa1916, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link
also obviously if you're watching comparisons on a 1080p display you're not seeing much of the fidelity difference between 1080p and 4k
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link
I was tempted to buy a 4k monitor for the PS4, adding even more to the wasted money pile..
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
PS5, obv
Yeah, honestly seeing even PS4 Pro running 4K in person was pretty stunning.
― circa1916, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Which means I will likely be upgrading my TV soon too. *sigh*
― circa1916, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:40 (three years ago) link
it'll still look better either way since downsampling from 4k eliminates aliasing (this is also why games always look better in youtube windows than full screen, a lot of the seams get supersampled away)
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
i'm finally getting kicked and dragged into the "multiple thousands of Ks" league, due to my macbook pro display busting a few days ago. thinking of getting a mac mini and then pairing it with a 4K display which i can also use for the PS5 i will inevitably buy soon
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 November 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
LMK if you can find a 4k 120hz monitor that's under $1000
― Nhex, Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:11 (three years ago) link
will do, but i doubt it
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 November 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link
THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST THING TO HAPPEN FOR FGC EVENTS THANKS TO THIS FEATURE ON #PS5. You can now turn off the system's Bluetooth in the PS5 Settings for events! pic.twitter.com/KA05yebCST— Alex (@Jebailey) November 12, 2020
― chihuahuau, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
120hz is for fps gamers, 60 is fine for mortals
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
4k sucks for computing though, its really a tv spec. theres a reason why everyone gets 1440p for their pc monitor
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
computer monitors generally don't have HDR either, unless theyve started adding that recently
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:22 (three years ago) link
I bought a huge beautiful 5K monitor that only has USB-C inputs and can't be used with any console, AMA
― lukas, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link
how do you use it?
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
i already went through this whole thing a couple years ago when i got my ps4 pro and the cheapest solution by far was to buy a tv rather than upgrading my pc monitor. if you dont have room in your living space for one then uhh you can pay 4x as much for an equivalent monitor or just stick to good old 1080p it looks just fine with the 4k supersampling
― ciderpress, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
It works great connected to my stupid Mac laptop that can't run any cool games
xp
― lukas, Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
sounds like it might work for me then! i'm on the wrong thread for asking about displays (because i have a mac mini in mind)
― @oneposter(✔️) (Karl Malone), Thursday, 12 November 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
― ciderpress, Thursday, November 12, 2020 4:19 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
4k or higher are excellent for non-gaming. the pixel doubling or proportional scaling, like what Apple has been doing on their high res displays for a long time, makes text much smoother and imo much easier on the eyes
― mh, Friday, 13 November 2020 04:28 (three years ago) link
oh i guess if theres software to handle it properly now. wasn't the case yet a few years ago at least on pc
― ciderpress, Friday, 13 November 2020 05:12 (three years ago) link
might just be an apple thing still?
Windows 10 works well, although not all older apps scale properly and look a little blurry. I use a 4k monitor for work with everything not doubled but scaled to 125/150% and it’s nice for all the things I use
― mh, Friday, 13 November 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link
Windows 10 works well, although not all older apps scale properly and look a little blurry.
I stopped paying attention to PC gaming/graphics specs a while back and mainly game on PS4, but I noticed my win10 laptop the other day had a toggle on it asking me if I wanted to try to make apps look less blurry. Like why the fuck would I _want_ them blurry? Just unblur the thing by default, Bill, you tit.
― ALAB (onimo), Friday, 13 November 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
I have a 4K UHD 2160p monitor for my macbook air & it's excellent
― All cars are bad (Euler), Friday, 13 November 2020 13:58 (three years ago) link
PonyStation 5
― calstars, Friday, 13 November 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link
piss5
― redalph, lord xyzzzz__ (||||||||), Friday, 13 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
after seeing the "difference" between the 60fps performance mode and 30fps fidelity mode in demons souls i feel confident in declaring that any game this upcoming gen that doesn't let you run it at 60fps is a scam
― ciderpress, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
we're getting into audiophile snake oil territory of what extra detail you get running the game at 30
― ciderpress, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
Hmm, it depends. Ray tracing seems expensive computationally. I could see things like draw distance, texture detail and other such things being a lot better at 30fps.
― Nhex, Friday, 13 November 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link
The audiophile snake oil is surely in the "you really notice the 120 fps" direction?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 November 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link
xp sure, i just don't think you can justify not including the performance mode as an option anymore now that the games aren't cpu-bound
1440p checkerboard looks pretty much identical to native 4k at tv viewing distance whereas 30 vs 60fps is a massively felt difference in action games
― ciderpress, Friday, 13 November 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
https://kotaku.com/two-weeks-with-my-ps5-1845670823
more info on the "cards" and jumping right into quests. looks like new Spider-Man supports it!
― mh, Sunday, 15 November 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
I adore weird-looking consoles, chief among them, the purple GameCube, so I like that the PS5 looks like a giant, high-tech eclair.
― ciderpress, Monday, 16 November 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
I should measure but my dated tv console has a shelf wide enough for a ps4 plus a stack of disc boxes on the side. I think I relocate the boxes and I’m good
― mh, Monday, 16 November 2020 03:28 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7VILMeN28
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 November 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link
*checks wario64 again*
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 17 November 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
If eating Bugsnax turns you into a Bugsnax, is the only way to turn back into a Grumpus eating other Grumpuses?
― I want to luhbahguh babum gum (Leee), Wednesday, 18 November 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link
15000 people ahead of me in the online queue in Curry's this morning was enough to convince me not be be an early adopter.
― Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Thursday, 19 November 2020 13:01 (three years ago) link