No more pallet puzzles: THE LAST OF US PART II

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Doctor Hu (Leee), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 20:23 (four years ago) link

spoiler alert, joel is actually dead in this one

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 20:29 (four years ago) link

Guess I should link this too:

Doctor Hu (Leee), Tuesday, 24 September 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link

This is a much lower key reaction than I expected.

Doctor Hu (Leee), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 19:37 (four years ago) link

i’m trying to remain as spoiler-free as possible tbh

i thought the first one was genuinely masterful so i’m looking forward to this one a lot

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 September 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link

joel is actually dead in this one

i’m trying to remain as spoiler-free as possible tbh

Doctor Hu (Leee), Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:21 (four years ago) link

if it turns out joel is dead in this one i’m gonna be upset at spoiling myself, just to be clear

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 September 2019 20:39 (four years ago) link

Honestly, seeing the early teases for the second one (even though I haven't played the first one yet!) is what made me want to get a PS4, iirc. I figure by the time I get through the first one, the second one will be discounted.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 September 2019 21:49 (four years ago) link

CMON PLAY ITTTT JOSH (bizarro is proving no fun).


Doctor Hu (Leee), Thursday, 26 September 2019 23:05 (four years ago) link

What new information does the Sony Worldwide president have about this hotly anticipated release?

— Onion Gamers Network (@OnionGamers) October 9, 2019

HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Thursday, 10 October 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link

delayed to may 29

ciderpress, Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:02 (four years ago) link

i'm actually happy whenever a title gets delayed at this point in my life. crush those bugs

Nhex, Saturday, 26 October 2019 14:17 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

The Abby boss is straight out of John Carpenter's The Thing

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 June 2020 22:42 (four years ago) link

lol at an earlier post itt

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 29 June 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link

So I've reached the point where you play as a different character, which as game design seems to risky! I get that Naughty Dog wants you to view the character as a fleshed out person, but the timing of the POV switch isn't great: I'm Ellie, facing a narrative climax, and all of a sudden we change time and place and I feel like I've been sent back to square one -- it's frustrating!

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link

I agree, but it doesn’t take long to get into it. It is very uncanny though. Different skill trees, different crafting options. I’m always starting to feel a little bit like “fuck that Ellie bitch”

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link

always already

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link

And like... for a game it’s risky, I get that, but it just shows how low the bar is creatively. “you and I, we are not so different” was already pretty hackneyed when John Woo was doing it

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

Can we assume anyone reading this has beaten the game yet? I guess it's only been two weeks, but...

There's a lot of ideas in this game that can be described so simply, but I think the game deserves more credit. (For instance, I think it goes far beyond "Revenge is bad!" but I'm still collecting my thoughts.) I loved that twist, though I also felt a bit annoyed at the time - gameplay-wise it was sort of a Metroid-esque skill reset. In the Abby run I think you lose all your stuff twice, even.

And yeah, that Abby boss is amazing, the most disgusting creature in a game full of horrible things.

Nhex, Thursday, 2 July 2020 04:04 (four years ago) link

Here's my #hottake that you all have been waiting for:

The ending was pretty bleak, maybe about as bleak as I expected, had shades of Children of Men ending (boat in fog with characters questionably surviving). I could see why some people were expecting a twist of them joining forces ("common enemies!") but that was already used once between Lev & Abby and might have been stale or less impactful if done again.

some bullets:

-way too much scavenging, would prefer loot drops after kills
-the infected basically being reduced to background scenery for long sections of the game was a letdown
+the hunting pistol completely overperformed my expectations (esp. after spec'ed out with scope et al), maybe the best weapon in the game?
-OTOH the silenced (!) SMG was such a letdown, good thing you barely have time to use it so your excitement upon finding it is tempered
+the "safecracking" hack that was leaked made crafting trees incredibly easier to obtain (just turn your volume up and listen for the telling "click")
+i liked the fact the game was so PC (strong LGBTQ and/or female characters, thrown in with hints of polyamory, + quite a few non-caucasian supporting roles)
-...but the gratuitous sex scene was just so OTT cringe and unnecessary
+the graphics were amazing, post apocalypse water-ravaged Seattle was incredible
+i thought the story was fine, some people (lacking empathy?) couldn't vibe with Abby's MO but I thought the psychological/moral struggles were presented and delivered convincingly.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link

I'm in the middle of Abby day 2 and the much needed LEVITY (do you see?) is refreshing and definitely echoes the odd couple dynamic from the first game.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Saturday, 4 July 2020 05:24 (four years ago) link

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Sunday, 5 July 2020 09:47 (four years ago) link

so in pt iii you're going to play as an infected right

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Sunday, 5 July 2020 10:25 (four years ago) link


the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 5 July 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link

in part iii you play the cop who shot joel's daughter at the opening of part i, though you actually play his first days on the force. it is set in 2003 and there are no zombies.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 5 July 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link

in part iv you will play an ant infected with the cordyceps fungus in the real present day world. it plays out in real time with a deliberately oblique control scheme taking heavy influence from death stranding.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 5 July 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link

in part v you are a crafting bench.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 5 July 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link

in part vi you are a an environmental artist at naughty dog, crafting a series of tiny environemtal psychodramas about survivors at the end of things. you are forced into working a series of 14-hour shifts and 7-day weeks via less and less soft pressure; if the player stops playing, their real world credit rating will slowly decline. pressing L2 opens an inventory wheel in which you find a memo from management, telling you they anticipate your adjusting to "the naughty dog way of doing things", and a picture of your daughter. you do not see your daughter.

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Sunday, 5 July 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link

Ok so some initial gameplay thoughts.

Combat is fun and polished, with more depth than cover shooters, and more forgiveness than stealth shooters when you got spotted. For a long while this is what sustained me.

Rat King LOL OMG WTF. I knew that this was going to be something horrible, especially since its level is a very clear echo of the hotel basement he in Part 1, but the pure fear it inspires is on a different level, since you have actually have to engage with this big boy rather than make a mad dash for the exit. Is beating this thing what people feel when they beat a boss in From Soft games?

The Ellie boss fight otoh was quite a lot harder, and by how frustrated I got, she was the hardest boss of the game. I didn't upgrade Abby's listen mode much (mostly because you don't even have listen mode on Grounded in Part 1 and I have/had aspirations of beating Part 2 on the hardest difficulty), so as often as the Rat King ripped me apart, Ellie shivved me probably twice as many times.

I thought Santa Barbara was going to be a quick epilogue! So I kept powering through it because I thought the end was just around the corner.

Semi automatic guns are a tease! I never unlocked that ability for Abby's rifle because Rat King aside, when will you even have the ammo to unload on enemies, much less fight enemies that can soak up that kind of damage?

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Sunday, 5 July 2020 18:42 (four years ago) link

Oops, not initial obviously!

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Sunday, 5 July 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link

Two really great set pieces too: the on be where Jesse drives and you shoot infected and Wolves, and the one where you ride through the burning Seraphite village.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Sunday, 5 July 2020 19:15 (four years ago) link

When I read criticisms that the end game is pointless, I thought they meant that it was nihilist and that Ellie was on an inevitable path of killing Abby (am end which I approached with dread), when those same criticisms were in fact voiced because they *wanted* that to happen.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Sunday, 5 July 2020 23:02 (four years ago) link

check out this maniac

The Last of Us 2 photo mode tips & tricks thread:

Let's start with a simple portrait. This particular room/spot has a nice, soft, bloomy light. Finding good lights & shadows make about 95% of your shot. This thread can hopefully help you with the remaining 5%.


— Petri Levälahti (@Berduu) July 5, 2020

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 6 July 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link

that's awesome

Nhex, Monday, 6 July 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link

Something that for me worked exceptionally was how the emotional/ethical peril is treated as equally as the physical peril. I was fighting against Ellie in the final showdown even as I played as her, and I was on the edge of my seat until she decided to let Abby live.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link

At the farmhouse when Ellie is preparing to go, and like, I love this game and want to keep playing it, on the other hand, Ellie wtf is wrong with you, hate you right now, don’t want to be you

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 July 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link

Also: wow they did Yara dirty

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 July 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link

Beat it.

It will be immense on “hard” when I come back to this in a year or two. (I think there are slightly too many materials available on normal mode.)

I imagine the final Santa Barbara hacienda shoot-out ought to be a bit better of a send-off on hard, too.

I feel bad about not using the flamethrower more.

When you come back to the aquarium as Abby and find the dead dog is one of the great “oh, fuck” moments in any videogame.

Incredible game.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link

I think there are slightly too many materials available on normal mode.

Yeah, I was actually kind of pissed that I was maxed out on resources and had to leave loot behind.

I'm kind of toying with the thought of replaying on Survivor, which is almost definitely overly ambitious.

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 00:44 (three years ago) link

Also OMG at the banner image here:

AxoLOLtl (Leee), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 00:47 (three years ago) link

So what about the annoying things in this game?

- You get to use the flamethrower like twice
- You get to use the silenced submachine gun for the last scene only
- On 'normal' you never have to worry about health or supplies
- Big resource drops spoiling the tension of upcoming confrontations
- Proximity bombs never needed. In fact, you rarely need to do much more than switch between silenced weapons, long-range weapons and the shotgun. Maybe this is different on hard/survivor - you actually have to plan your attacks and how you're going to switch up the damage you deal?
- Easy finale in Santa Barbara
- THEY DID YARA DIRTY I mean honest to fuck. Yara is like the whole thing for Abby. Yara's what inspires her to go rogue. She risks her life to pay Yara back. Now I'm not saying Yara shouldn't have bitten it, fine, that's an artistic choice. But after it happens, not one scene of Lev grieving for her? For the sister who saved his life again and again? Not one scene where Abby remembers her? I know, they have to escape, but what about after that?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 July 2020 13:14 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Who are these people who think this game isn't hard enough?

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link

Permadeath is an insane option

It’s not quite hard enough on “normal” thi though, as documented in this thread

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 07:59 (three years ago) link

I thought it was, but ok, for argument's sake, sure - there's already a million adjustable difficulty options to make the game that much harder

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 08:22 (three years ago) link

Yeah - for me the sweet spot was making resources a bit more scarce.

God knows how I'd ever beat the section where you're escaping from the house with Lev and Yara on the other side of the door if all the difficulties were ramped up including enemy damage etc

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 08:39 (three years ago) link

oh man, this game

just watched a playthrough. I could not play this game; too violent and scary to actually inhabit the controller & feel all those deaths, and I definitely tabbed through a lot of the puzzle / assault sequences. but being able to tab through -- well, I definitely get the crossover hype / interest in non-gamers, this is a form of narrative more effective than anything television is capable of right now. this game totally takes advantage of 70 years of art film vocabulary like Tarkovsky / Rivette / Akerman and flips it all back over into Romero mainstream narrative storytelling

still a lot to figure out, but yeah, cried twice

Milton Parker, Thursday, 13 August 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link

Did you play the first one Milton?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 14 August 2020 05:27 (three years ago) link

skimmed the first 35 minutes of a playthrough. yikes!

only three games I've actually played myself in the last 30 years are Katamari Damacy, Journey, Monument Valley. I don't like holding the controller for first person shooters, but certainly have seen friends playing things like Bioshock etc as the games slowly evolved into whatever this is

Milton Parker, Friday, 14 August 2020 08:12 (three years ago) link

I started the podcast episode about the first game. It's good so far, but whoever the hosts are are weirdly catty about it. Like, you know the game is good, you keep saying the game is good, you admit you might be a little tired of it because you've played it so many times, but you've done that because the game is good. So don't sigh and act like watching the TV show was some exhausting experience because it was so familiar to you. Not a deal breaker by any stretch, just a little irritating.

I do find it interesting when they address the 2013 discourse, because as far as I can remember, I had no idea the game existed in 2013. Just totally passed me by. I mean, I didn't have a PlayStation, so there's that. But for a game with so much praise and acclaim, it still managed to go under my radar as a non-gamer civilian.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 September 2023 14:04 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I listened to the first two episodes of the podcast. The first is about Part 1, and then there are four (I think?) episodes about Part 2. I first guest was fine, the second guest (on the first episode about the second game) was pretty annoying to listen to, since his (Kenneth? A Kotaku writer?) voice kept cracking, which made it sound like listening to a 13-year old boy. I do like Jacob, who is a great moderator, in every sense of the word, which allows him to balance out Blake, who is a little too cynical and cool-for-school for my tastes.

Anyway, they've already brought up some interesting stuff, and keep alluding to a future discussion on race, which is intriguing. I never thought much about the role race plays in the first game, or whether it even matters. On my walk, listening, I started wondering if it would have made a difference if Joel were not a white man, and the conclusion I came to was no. But we'll see where the conversation goes. I do know that this podcast is why I am playing Bioshock Infinite now, not just because I recently played the first two but because they implied it apparently inspired similar sorts of discussions and debates at the time, which I knew nothing about. And indeed, in Bioshock Infinite the issue of race is much, much more explicitly foreground, so I wonder why they would group it in with Last of Us, where race is, iirc, not foregrounded at all. I guess I'll see what they have to say.

Anyway, the discussion makes me feel even more that this (second) game is a masterpiece that will be hard for anyone to surpass. Though you never know.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 September 2023 18:47 (nine months ago) link

IDK if you care about podcast spoilers but the gist of the race things is that black characters pretty much all die with a cut to black, and their deaths function taking up pretty limited narrative space (as plot devices for the white characters to react to in the moment) as opposed to e.g. Joel's death as a constant specter that Ellie wrestles with throughout part 2; also, they talk about the dissonance of homophobia and transphobia existing in the world but not racism.

Hoisted by your own Picard (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2023 19:28 (nine months ago) link

Hmm, I look forward to hearing what they have to say.

Meanwhile, there was supposedly a leak confirming a quietly rumored remaster of Part 2, which seems ... truly unnecessary. I suppose with a live-service multiplayer Last of Us scuttled indefinitely (good) and a potential Part 3 years and years away (expected), a remastered Part 2 seems like a logical stopgap, especially if it's been in the works already. But again, no idea what it might entail, the PS4/PS5 version looks and plays incredibly as it is. I assume they'd tie it to the return of the TV show, though last I heard the TV show had been delayed until maybe 2025.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 October 2023 17:23 (nine months ago) link

A Part 2 remaster amid recent layoffs sounds like a major red flag, if that rumor shakes out.

Hoisted by your own Picard (Leee), Saturday, 7 October 2023 02:49 (nine months ago) link

I imagine the layoffs follow ramping down the multiplayer project. Or at least, I could have sworn it was less about downsizing and more returning back to the level they were at before they brought in a bunch of new people for the thing that is no longer happening.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 October 2023 04:38 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Finished the podcast. Disagreed with a lot of what they had to say, and especially how they said it, but it was still really interesting and full of good insights.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 19:05 (eight months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Native PS5 version coming, $10 upgrade, extra content, reportedly.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 November 2023 00:53 (seven months ago) link

chihuahuau, Saturday, 18 November 2023 03:39 (seven months ago) link

They're really putting off working on new IP, huh?

Rimbaud: First Blood (Leee), Saturday, 18 November 2023 15:37 (seven months ago) link

I saw somewhere that this remaster might have been given the the new hires/B-team while the A-team worked on said mystery new IP.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 November 2023 16:28 (seven months ago) link

i'm... actually ok with $10

Nhex, Saturday, 18 November 2023 20:06 (seven months ago) link

i totally bailed on my Grounded playthrough for LoU II. just too hard. i didn’t even make it to the theatre.

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 18 November 2023 20:07 (seven months ago) link

Give it another shot! If I can do it, you/anyone can do it.

And yeah, $10 is totally reasonable. I can't believe TLOU Part 1 is still going for $50+ *on sale*.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 November 2023 21:18 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Naughty Dog officially pulled the plug on its long-gestating Last of Us online live-service multiplayer game. One one hand, good. On the other, what a waste of time. They've essentially released one game since 2017. Though I guess the same goes for Rockstar.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 December 2023 01:00 (six months ago) link

Yeah from what I hear they are working on a new IP and TLOU sequel. Perhaps they needed to reallocate the team or recycle the assets from the online game to save some time.

Probably spent a good number of cycles on the re-remaster of TLOU 1 and remaster of TLOU 2.

octobeard, Friday, 15 December 2023 01:33 (six months ago) link

i know one of the multiplayer devs from another forum and he was so excited about it. it had a lot of co-op elements so you’re basically teaming up with players against the clickers etc. to hear him tell it the game was largely finished. i guess there’s an ongoing admin and tech overhead for multiplayer games that naughty dog didn’t want to commit to

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 December 2023 08:22 (six months ago) link

essentially the demands of live multiplayer are such that naughty dog would have become a live online company and never make another single player game again

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 15 December 2023 09:48 (six months ago) link

A studio known for its almost oppressively immersive narratives and impeccable set pieces might have benefitted from a 15-year old kid with the handle DiaperDoodie69 hopping around while decked out like Barney the dinosaur and screaming nonsense over a headset mic.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 December 2023 13:30 (six months ago) link

I imagine it's the lure of all that live service money; otherwise it probably would've just been a gradually updated multiplayer mode for TLOU2.
Also - maybe relevant - Sony's acquisition of Bungie was completed in early 2022. Two giant live service bets is probably too much.

Nhex, Friday, 15 December 2023 16:43 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

TLOU II Remastered out on 1/19, btw

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 18:56 (six months ago) link

Dever is a great actor. It's too bad that there is no way to keep the plot secret for two years, gonna be impossible for newbies to avoid spoilers. Wonder how that may affect changes or additions they make to the story.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 January 2024 21:48 (six months ago) link

I guess she's got two years to get properly hench, especially since Bella's got a head start on her:

Bella Ramsey begins training for HBO 'The Last of Us'

— ScreenTime (@screentime) January 8, 2024

Captain Sisko and Ebert (Leee), Tuesday, 9 January 2024 21:57 (six months ago) link

Two more casting announcements for Jessie and Dina:

Captain Sisko and Ebert (Leee), Thursday, 11 January 2024 18:24 (six months ago) link

Digital Foundry review of the PS4 to PS5 upgrade barely finds any differences from the way the current PS4 version plays on the PS5. Like, next to nothing, even as far as these subtle things sometimes go. I guess there is a touch extra content to justify the $10, which is not a big ask. Still hoping they take $20 off Last of Us Part 1.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 19:20 (five months ago) link

Some of the reviews for the roguelike mode have been pretty high:

Ella Minnow Pea (Leee), Tuesday, 16 January 2024 21:01 (five months ago) link

Good to hear, since it's likely all you're really getting for that $10. But I've seen it discussed in the context of the recent God of War roguelike DLC, which 1) reportedly contains new plot and 2) was free.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 January 2024 22:58 (five months ago) link

Ah I didn't realize they're offering an upgrade option -- I thought they were making people buy the new version by itself.

(As for the Ragnarok DLC, yes on both counts.)

Ella Minnow Pea (Leee), Wednesday, 17 January 2024 17:44 (five months ago) link

The timing of this seems strange, doesn't it? You've got a hit TV show that just announced the cast of its in-progress second season, and *now* is when you drop the Part 2 remaster? It's all but asking people to catch up (and get spoiled) before S2 airs.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 January 2024 14:20 (five months ago) link

Nah, better than waiting even longer. I'm sure this delayed whatever the heck they're working on for the end of the PS5/beginning of PS6 era

Nhex, Saturday, 20 January 2024 19:00 (five months ago) link

I think it's probably the opposite, no? They wasted a bunch of time on the Last of Us multiplayer that got the plug pulled, and this remaster is a stopgap to make some money with a roguelite mode tossed in.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 January 2024 23:58 (five months ago) link

You're right about the abandoned MP, but it seemed inevitable there was going to be a "remaster" of Part II for PS5, or least of a new coat of paint (like the first one) so might they might as well just drop it

Nhex, Monday, 22 January 2024 02:30 (five months ago) link

I did notice that they are selling this remaster for $10 less than Part 1. Granted, Part 1 was a ground-up remake, but it's nice they're not going strictly cash-grab. Or maybe they kinda are? I could have sworn I bought Last of Us 2 new a couple of years ago for less than $20, maybe ... $10?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2024 03:06 (five months ago) link

the trailer for the remaster looks fucking incredible

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 January 2024 08:23 (five months ago) link

Digital Foundry, a bunch of nerds, did a comparison of this and the PS4 version and iirc noticed next to no visual improvements, fwiw. But I think that's largely because this was an incredible looking/playing game from the start. From what I've read (I downloaded the upgrade but won't get to it for a long while, assuming I ever do, lol), the biggest/newest additions are slightly faster loading times, the commentary, (eventually, as DLC) a great looking documentary , the roguelite mode and cool haptics. Oh, and tons of new accessibility settings. Oh, and a couple of apparently fine but incomplete unreleased sections.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2024 13:28 (five months ago) link

For $50 I would scoff but for $10, sure

Nhex, Monday, 22 January 2024 14:05 (five months ago) link

It's a $10 upgrade if you already own it, but $50 if you are buying it for the first time, which I believe is a price *increase*, at least compared to what it's been sold for over the past few years, let alone secondary. That's kind of eh but to be expected, I suppose, because I really do think Naughty Dog needs to fill the coffers. They are likely years away from any new game.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2024 14:50 (five months ago) link

I loved TLOU2 (top 5 all-time for me) but the roguelike mode doesn't sound like my kind of thing, and I watched YouTube videos of the unreleased sections (the commentary from the game makers is pretty interesting! They put a LOT more thought into seemingly small details than you might think.), so I'll pass on the $10 upgrade (which, imo, seems like a totally reasonable price). And people have noted that you can save a few bucks by getting a PS4 disc then getting the $10 upgrade, instead of paying the full PS5 retail price. A year ago when I bought the PS4 disc, new copies were plentiful at $20.

Also, re: timing of this upgrade release, maybe they are cleaning their plate so that they have full resources available to work on Part 3 (I hope)?

ernestp, Monday, 22 January 2024 23:27 (five months ago) link

They've been coy about it. I think Druckmann said he had a loose idea for a part 3 but that's it. Meanwhile there have been rumors about a new IP - fantasy of sci-fi? - which I assume is in progress. And maybe I heard they were working on more than one thing? I might be thinking of From. But given Naughty Dog shed a ton of staff when the Last of Us multiplayer got cancelled I doubt they're anywhere near ready to dive right back into that world. This remaster seems to me a pretty clear stopgap.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 22 January 2024 23:39 (five months ago) link

From what I've heard they're working on two new IPs, one fairly active across multiple teams, the other pretty early going - still being conceptualized, and neither are related to The Last of Us. Would be surprised if either of these see the light of day before 2025.

octobeard, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 02:16 (five months ago) link

I'm not even sure TLOU3 will make it to this generation, though you'd expect it to be an end-of-system PS5 title, I think the pandemic probably pushed all their giant multi-year plans up

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 03:57 (five months ago) link

New doc dropped:

Apparently there is a passing reference to a potential third installment.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 February 2024 16:37 (five months ago) link

Just watched this, it's pretty solid. The connection the cast and creators feel to each other and to the characters (especially Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson) is palpable. The doc apparently stopped filming when covid hit, so the last bit was filmed in 2023, and there's some remarkable stuff where they recount the impact of all the shit surrounding the game, from the infamous leaks to the release, resulting in everything from death threats on down (people even threatened the family of the person that plays Abby). Druckmann notes the irony that the Dutch person that leaked tons of hacked footage was ultimately just a fan, the proverbial young guy living with his parents, who thought leaking the gameplay would force Naughty Dog's hand into finally releasing the game, which had been indefinitely postponed by the pandemic. Druckmann and others interviewed were clearly brought down to their knees with disappointment, but they all seem to be in a much better place now.

On a slightly different note, I admit I am a total pushpver, but it's been a while since I've seen some of the LOU2 clips included in the doc, and boy, did they immediately dredge up dark things I felt while playing the game.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 February 2024 22:02 (five months ago) link

people even threatened the family of the person that plays Abby

More to the point, they threatened her 2-year-old child.

Selune Gomez (Leee), Wednesday, 7 February 2024 02:56 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Head and sub-head are great:

Astarion Is Born (Leee), Tuesday, 26 March 2024 16:53 (three months ago) link


Nhex, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 21:11 (three months ago) link


Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 21:15 (three months ago) link

Gotta do some guitar playing.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 March 2024 00:22 (three months ago) link

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