thread of tim rogers content (do not read if you hate tim rogers)

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the incomparable tim rogers has been a full-time contributor to kotaku since last year. I have loved tim rogers' writing, but it's possible that talking-fast-over-a-video is him at his finest. here's a thread for tim rogers content past present and future!

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2018 04:41 (four years ago) link

this week he did a video review of Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition which makes me…kinda want this bugfuck game…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep5SWvImTRU

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2018 04:41 (four years ago) link

mostly for my own future reference, here's a wayback machine link to action button dot net, which is currently missing with a message that says "relax, it's coming back", featuring his 18,000 word review of Final Fantasy XIII which I think is a high point.

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2018 04:48 (four years ago) link

I'm guessing you dont mean this guy!

http://artslab.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Tim_Rogers_1.jpg

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 17 May 2018 10:37 (four years ago) link

I don’t.

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2018 12:48 (four years ago) link

no, that's him

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 17 May 2018 12:52 (four years ago) link

i fondly remember his long, digressive "reviews" of earthbound, chrono trigger and super mario bros 3 being really important to my own writing at a certain time in my life, and i'm sad to find out the website is down now so i can't spend 2 hours reading all three again!

challops trap house (Will M.), Thursday, 17 May 2018 15:59 (four years ago) link

i like his videos way more than his written stuff

ciderpress, Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:01 (four years ago) link

the part of the hyrule warriors video starting around 13:30 where he tries to explain the appeal of musuo games is wonderful

ciderpress, Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:08 (four years ago) link

I have a mixed opinion of Rogers as writer. He has some annoying tendencies for sure, but his perspective and his style feel so unique and inimitable. I like his absurdist wordplay. I like his overall design philosophy. I could do without about half of his loopy digressions on his travels and lifestyle...at the same time, a large part of his appeal (for me) is the way his writing is always crammed-to-bursting with vivid and unnecessary detail. I'd be lying if I said his stuff didn't influence me, though if you asked me to define said influence, I'm not sure I could. Anyway, his God Hand review is pretty funny.

a film with a little more emotional balls (zchyrs), Thursday, 17 May 2018 19:59 (four years ago) link

rereading the FFXII review last night, there was a lot of 2010 bro-type/edgelordy language and imagery that he's mercifully moved on from.

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:02 (four years ago) link

I've met him irl a few times. he's relatively nice but does not stop talking

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:04 (four years ago) link

xp yeah, I was reading that and "blade raped" made me cringe. Glad he has matured a bit.

a film with a little more emotional balls (zchyrs), Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:05 (four years ago) link

yeah i've met him at pax a couple times since my friend did the music for his game - he's basically the same person you see in his videos, it's not a put-on

ciderpress, Thursday, 17 May 2018 20:18 (four years ago) link

recently ive been listening to the Violence Island podcast:

https://web.archive.org/web/20151130033625/http://earthblows.com/

it's a battle royal of random characters. interestingly the one they taped in October 2014 "Must See Killing Spree" begins with a fight between Dick Solomon and Dr. Huxtable himself, and Tim Rogers wastes no time saying that there are some deep, dark "grandmother terrifying" things about Cosby. he never comes out and says what he was accused of but it's clear he saw/heard the Hannibal act from the same month and he took that stuff seriously. just kind of interesting, i was listening to that and had to look up that it was 4 years ago. an entirely different world.

as for his personality, he doesn't seem all that different from music hipsters i've talked with. then again hipsters hate nothing more than their own kind.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 May 2018 17:33 (four years ago) link

this is the best and worst of tim rogers, al in 5 minutes

https://jalopnik.com/should-you-honk-at-people-in-anger-a-cargument-1826083140

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 18 May 2018 18:34 (four years ago) link

imwo honks are the only non-violent way to communicate to other cars. someone needs to invent smart honks that figure out if you are trying to merge lanes or whatever and produces a tone the other car understands and can communicate to the driver.

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 20 May 2018 15:57 (four years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Tim Rogers reported from E3. Videos are up from the booths of the major publishers. There's also this video. https://kotaku.com/the-weirdest-things-we-found-at-e3-2018-1826928317

valorous wokelord (silby), Tuesday, 19 June 2018 02:47 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Good stuff from Tim recently: Judge Eyes demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je7hYYjr9Mk

Eyebrow-raisey Shadow of the Tomb Raider preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8lgFc6vFyU

Affectionate DQXI review

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4iTbUGItU0s

faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:54 (three years ago) link

Oops forgot to remove the m on that last one, here’s the embed for those who prefer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iTbUGItU0s

faculty w1fe (silby), Thursday, 13 September 2018 19:54 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

let's see if tim can sell me on forza horizon 4, a candidate for my biannual Fancy Graphics Game Impulse Purchase

ciderpress, Thursday, 27 September 2018 21:34 (three years ago) link

I like his series about translating Final Fantasy VII, funny and informative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZefYEaNUJ7w

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Thursday, 27 September 2018 21:55 (three years ago) link

Tim made me want Forza Horizon and it’s not a thing I should want.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 28 September 2018 00:54 (three years ago) link

Tim plays, screams at Mega Man 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7GR5GQy9XU

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 18:43 (three years ago) link

I can't tell if I prefer exasperated Tim or chill Tim

a film with a little more emotional balls (zchyrs), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 20:24 (three years ago) link

the two types of tim rogers content i love are his scripted review vids that all take poetic turns in the 2nd half (e.g. hyrule warriors, forza horizon 4) and his on-site vids from E3/conventions

ciderpress, Thursday, 11 October 2018 03:59 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

Tim and I have the same Game of the Year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3yZzhhnS8

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:14 (three years ago) link

Does not disappoint.

days of being riled (zchyrs), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:55 (three years ago) link

This also reminds me that I need to 1) go back and beat Celeste & 2) pick up Obra Dinn ASAP

days of being riled (zchyrs), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 00:57 (three years ago) link

those two are tied for my goty

ciderpress, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 01:03 (three years ago) link

i downloaded obra dinn the other day and i'm trying to con my partner into trying it out with me tonight!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 01:28 (three years ago) link

and rogers' #1 same as mine too. it was a good year for games!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 01:28 (three years ago) link

kinda sold on this guy

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 02:20 (three years ago) link

Obra Dinn is awesome btw, and i don't think i will ever come close to figuring out the fates of everyone

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 04:25 (three years ago) link

I’m going to sit on my hands on that one for a while owing to my Switch Only policy but I’ll stop waiting in a year or so. I loved Papers Please, what a game.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 04:26 (three years ago) link

^same

||||||||, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 08:15 (three years ago) link

good list. hollow knight s/b #1 tho

||||||||, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 08:19 (three years ago) link

He even says there's nothing wrong with it and struggles to find a complaint (too dark to play on the NYC subway, lol), so at the least it should be higher!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 13:27 (three years ago) link

Sheesh it’s not like a scientific ranking.

I agree with him though: Hollow Knight is very good and Celeste is the best platforming video game and basically a perfect realization of what video games are good at

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:18 (three years ago) link

Hollow Knight is also a 2017 game

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:51 (three years ago) link

hollow knight is low b/c he played it last year jeez yall didn't listen to all 44 minutes did you xp

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:53 (three years ago) link

year of impact

PCs are powerpoint

||||||||, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:55 (three years ago) link

of course I paid attention to all 44 minutes, and I might do it over again!

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:21 (three years ago) link

it's possible that talking-fast-over-a-video is him at his finest.

This is a terrible thing to say about anyone, but having a look at the Shadow of the Tomb Raider video you might have it right.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:55 (three years ago) link

The sheer amount of video editing he must do for these is pretty intense

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:43 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y48DgYY6GVA

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 December 2018 17:45 (three years ago) link

shooting zombies is the vegetarian version of murder

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:12 (three years ago) link

his story about jonathan blow (#4, braid) is interesting and kind of sad

Karl Malone, Friday, 28 December 2018 21:12 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqnAx3gx99w

ciderpress, Thursday, 24 January 2019 19:09 (three years ago) link

this is one franchise I just solidly dng

||||||||, Thursday, 24 January 2019 21:00 (three years ago) link

because even if you read in one day -- really read -- a book that takes a normal person 7 days, what does that mean in terms of absorbing the material? the person who takes 7 days may very well sit and think about the passages during the "downtime" during those 7 days, during those dreams, in conversations. "oh what are you reading?", "well, "

meanwhile the person who reads 300 books a year is apparently doing all of this in a day, nearly every day

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:18 (six months ago) link

seems fucked up to me but i am a "slow listener" advocate, slow the fuck down everyone

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:18 (six months ago) link

Yeah, I thought I was a super fast reader in college, but I was definitely skimming for keywords and gists, and I'm slower now because I'm actually trying to absorb all of the words, for pleasure.

Clearly you can skim games too (maybe this is what we should call speed running).

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:21 (six months ago) link

that was always the thing about the matrix to me - sure, you can hook up a cable and download the info to your mind, but does that also count the time that your mind spends digesting the content? you may hear the golden rule as a 5 year old, but it takes time to understand what it really means. does the matrix cable account for that? maybe it does. i admit that i read superintelligence a few years ago, all the way through, and think of this stuff in terms of "cycles". maybe there are plenty of cycles to go around in the matrix

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:21 (six months ago) link

Clearly you can skim games too (maybe this is what we should call speed running).

for sure. not even speed running, but just trying to "beat" the game as quickly as possible. maybe doing 2/4 of the bosses in breath of the wild before headed toward ganon

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:22 (six months ago) link

I can believe that he's capable of reading very fast, less believable is his tendency to respond to everyone on Twitter asking "have you read/watched/played this" with "why I just so happened to be reading/watching/playing that yesterday/this morning" which he does surprisingly a lot

Among other things...I've known 2 people who have legitimate trouble telling the truth in any context and he just reminds me of them sometimes, and that unfortunately leads me to treat the actual biographical stuff he shares as kayfabe

, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:30 (six months ago) link

i can see that for sure

i had a friend who had a thing about lying. like, a very weird, extreme dedication to extravagant lies. which ended our friendship.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 22:39 (six months ago) link

I have a feeling it’s just the character Tim Rogers idk

Evan, Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:17 (six months ago) link

It's the fact that he claimed to play all these old console games that got me, at least some of them the first time. Unless he's generally freakishly good at platformers, a lot of those can take an eternity. Maybe he used an emulator and savestates, at least.

I was doing Austin's "What?" bit with Will but he punked out.

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:21 (six months ago) link

i am exhausted with the tim rogers character, tbh. i started watching the cyberpunk 2077 review, and about 10 minutes in i just wanted to die

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:23 (six months ago) link

the most exhausting thing was the Twitch stream after he played the review intro video and started obsessing about how the outro (of the intro) portion was done in 59 point whatever frames per second resulting in a jump every x seconds that he had just now noticed...... this went on for some time.

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:26 (six months ago) link

if you're watching the twitch stream before it's even on youtube, you kind of bought your tickets already

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:40 (six months ago) link

I'm a fan. But for how he likes to say the scripted version is not a real person, well, is it possible the real guy is even more tedious?

maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:43 (six months ago) link

It is funny how I can feel mega bad for him due to his various challenges and then I watch a video where he describes the 45 $500 jackets he owns and I'm like wait a second...

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:48 (six months ago) link

having met him the real guy is more or less the same person you see in the intermission bits of these vids

ciderpress, Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:54 (six months ago) link

He was extremely the guy in the videos in 2010 when I met him, but it does sound like he's mellowed

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 29 October 2021 00:09 (six months ago) link

Didn't someone here say they met him and he drunkenly tried to start a fight with them

, Friday, 29 October 2021 00:14 (six months ago) link

i am exhausted with the tim rogers character, tbh.

seems like he is too, fwiw

lukas, Friday, 29 October 2021 00:29 (six months ago) link

I was doing Austin's "What?" bit with Will but he punked out.

― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, October 28, 2021 7:21 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

And then I tried a bit where I was confidently incorrect (cold stone creamery)

Evan, Friday, 29 October 2021 00:55 (six months ago) link

Is he exhausted with the character? Seems he is proud of his 10 hour video game review

Evan, Friday, 29 October 2021 00:56 (six months ago) link

his ability to remember things and numbers down to ridiculous levels of detail remind me a lot of descriptions of the “pure o” version of ocd. it might not be completely true to reality, but your brain loops on events enough you end up with intense recollections of detail

also, absolutely burrowing into video games and books fits

mh, Friday, 29 October 2021 01:10 (six months ago) link

this isn’t a diagnosis per se, just a possibly mentality where doing things in this way makes sense

he also mentions in one of the videos that he’s limited himself to a 40 hour work week, but his main hobby is still playing video games outside of those hours

mh, Friday, 29 October 2021 01:11 (six months ago) link

lol missed you back there Evan. Also i had to cook dinner. I hope everyone smelt it

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 29 October 2021 01:14 (six months ago) link

No worries man, you rock!

Evan, Friday, 29 October 2021 03:20 (six months ago) link

i for one do not think this guy who creates obsessive videos that dissect every detail of his own emotional and intellectual relationship to video games for a living is lying when he says he plays a lot of video games

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 29 October 2021 14:34 (six months ago) link

i think he heavily embellishes a lot of his experiences, it's not really lying so much as storytelling. i don't have any doubt he played through a ton of old platformers or whatever, those games are all like an hour or two long

ciderpress, Friday, 29 October 2021 14:37 (six months ago) link

gonna report back when tearing my hair out in the middle of Rocky Rodent

Tim should be a guess star helper on Game Center CX

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 29 October 2021 14:45 (six months ago) link

As someone who has been following the dude's output since the mid 00s--he's been doing degrees of kayfabe for pretty much his whole career. He's even gone on at length publicly about how the first stuff that he wrote online was a troll to make fun of some self-serious person he knew on a game forum. For a while I was maybe unhealthily para-socially fascinated with the question of "how much of this is a bit?" I get the impression that there's less of the persona and more of the "authentic" guy in his current output, but it's also clear that he believes real, true authenticity on the internet isn't possible, and he has fun with that.

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:40 (six months ago) link

and that's THE STRAIGHT DOPE--stay tuned for my multi-hour video review of Tim's review

feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Friday, 29 October 2021 17:42 (six months ago) link

tim is very good at benjamin buttoning himself via jackets and hair. with these time powers, i believe he has played and read everything.

Will M was understandably mixing up stone cold steve Austin's catchphrase "that's the bottom line cause stone cold said so" and the rock's finishing move "rock bottom"

― ✖, Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i think this is 100% what i did to the point where i heard dwayne's voice in my head saying "that's the bottom line"

It's the fact that he claimed to play all these old console games that got me, at least some of them the first time. Unless he's generally freakishly good at platformers, a lot of those can take an eternity. Maybe he used an emulator and savestates, at least.

I was doing Austin's "What?" bit with Will but he punked out.

― maf you one two (maffew12), Thursday, October 28, 2021 7:21 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

I JUST FORGOT TO CHECK BACK OK I GOT THE BIT

I SAAAAAID,,,,

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 29 October 2021 19:00 (six months ago) link

huh

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 29 October 2021 20:06 (six months ago) link

now that you're doing wrestling goofs u know i have to assume you're the maffew of botchamania

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Friday, 29 October 2021 22:42 (six months ago) link

Oh you didn't know?!

Nah tho this is the only forum I've ever posted any amount on

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 30 October 2021 06:12 (six months ago) link

comment from some dude on the Tokimeki Memorial review

While Tokimeki Memorial is one of the first and is definitely the most influential "genuine cyberpunk artifact" of a game, I'd say the LovePlus (ラブプラス) series go even farther - forcing the player to talk and sing into the microphone and evaluating their emotional investment through voice recognition technology and demanding the completion of daily and special limited events in *real-time*.
What, you aren't hardcore enough to have a "real" short conversation with your cyber girlfriend whispering into your Nintendo 3DS every morning at 08:00-09:00 in a convincingly caring tone? Well, tough shit - cos' she is going to dump you, game over. You are in class or at your workplace in real life? Nobody cares! Your girlfriend is calling on the Nintendo 3DS and you better pick up that call, or you are in serious trouble.
The rabbit hole of the madness of LovePlus+ is on its own level, honestly.

lukas, Monday, 1 November 2021 00:25 (six months ago) link

I've watched part 3 (what he liked) and bits of part 4 (what he didn't), and ... I feel kind of bad for this game. I'll never play it and don't want to play it, but it seems so rich and ambitious that (like Rogers) I can see its achievements and failures, existing sort of symbiotically, which if I were one of the programmers that slaved over it for so long would make me feel terrible. Like, all that hard work, all those ideas, all that effort, and it became an instant punchline, justified and not justified, for so many. And for many others probably remains so, despite (I assume) many patches.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 November 2021 01:15 (six months ago) link

I played through a couple endings. I enjoyed it.

I was shook by the Judy side quest/romance as much as tim and it’s ridiculously good (Judy is my ride-or-die forever partner in cyberpunk)

tried restarting the game this week and it’s wild how fleshed out (and yet vacant!!) the opening quests are. So much choreography but so little substance. Like there’s a little cutscene with an architectural flyby and synopsis of how you’ll infiltrate. Nothing like this happens at any point in the rest of the game! Or at least not as I remember.

mh, Monday, 1 November 2021 01:46 (six months ago) link

LovePlus sounds wild. Anyone else catch the part of the new review where he says Tokimeki 2 is twice as good as the first? Hmmm

I'm finished all the parts now. Really fun. And he totally claimed to play all of those games in the out-of-TIMROGERS-character mode. And in the list of games he played through, he threw in "and 20 hours of Red Dead Redemption 2". I guess I believe him. The walk we see him take may be his first in quite some time.

So there is one open world game that he found surprisingly good and will talk about in detail later on. Wonder which.

I'm not sure I've beaten any of the GTA 3's... might have to pick up the "definitive edition" coming soon and maybe it'll be less forgiving wrt RC controlled helicopters.

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 1 November 2021 15:26 (six months ago) link

*more forgiving. god help me

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 1 November 2021 15:28 (six months ago) link

i'm also interested to know what his favorite open world game was

ciderpress, Monday, 1 November 2021 15:33 (six months ago) link

All the references to medical problems, I assume that is not him doing a bit.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 November 2021 15:34 (six months ago) link

I think the "I played through every single iteration of [game] AND THEN I replayed... AND THEN I played every possible influence... AND THEN I played all 500 hours of... AND THEN I read every single fan fiction... AND THEN" is definitely a complete bit. I believe he researched these things thoroughly which may have involved a lot of play time, but I don't necessarily believe any of these lists of content consumption claims are literally done as described. The relentlessness to making the "pile" sound as big as possible is a bit that is meant to be proportionate to the cartoonish depth of his dive into a subject, hence the intense delivery and review lengths as well (and everything else).

Evan, Monday, 1 November 2021 15:54 (six months ago) link

i want to believe

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 1 November 2021 16:20 (six months ago) link

did he mention listening to the billy idol cyberpunk album?

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, 1 November 2021 23:44 (six months ago) link

I don't think so. And he would had if he was a dirty liar!

maf you one two (maffew12), Tuesday, 2 November 2021 12:09 (six months ago) link

watched this all the way through a week ago. if you haven't yet, i would recommend just doing that instead of picking and choosing. it works really well as a complete thing i think. even the 30-45 minute journey into jackets. i also think this is maybe the most essential essay/treatise about modern AAA video games and possibly about the game industry c.2021 as a whole, at least in a basic sense. puts into words a lot of things i've felt for a while.

, Sunday, 14 November 2021 05:34 (six months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Listened to a recent Insert Credit podcast episode and i think the open world game he loves is The Godfather. Unless the video contradicts this? I'm not rewatching.

maf you one two (maffew12), Saturday, 4 December 2021 11:40 (five months ago) link

pretty sure it's actually Days Gone and that is it plainly stated on a freeze frame somewhere in the 10 hours. He's also been mentioning it a bit on twitter, even just a couple minutes ago:

i'd say

* red dead redemption 2 (real good writing; quite slow though)
* assassin's creed valhalla (got a lot of vikings; however, it's a little too big)
* days gone (does a LOT of surprising / amazing mechanical things with its open world! however: yeah, it's a Zombie Game)

— tim rogers (@108) December 4, 2021

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Saturday, 4 December 2021 16:59 (five months ago) link

just lmao'd at this clip of the video in which i novelized the entirety of red dead redemption 1's plot. *the* best vid i made at kotaku. on the other hand, it didn't get a million hits. (it still hasn't cracked 100k!) they shoulda made me CEO for this tbh https://t.co/va3ngqoDnb pic.twitter.com/P23xpexCdS

— tim rogers (@108) December 15, 2021

my hands are always in my pockets or gesturing. (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 December 2021 19:20 (five months ago) link


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