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One of the worst things about really geeky game fans is the expectation developers often pander to of more story focus developing in earth shattering directions like DC and Marvel try to do. It's really silly when you get Tekken and King Of Fighters intros still insisting on overblown drama. Resident Evil got bad for this.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 3 May 2015 21:17

I disagree RAG, I absolutely loved the full out B-movie gloriousness of the recent Netherrealms story modes (Mortal Kombat 9/X, Injustice)

But yeah, more Castlevania would be sweet... just a matter of time before they return to their senses and go back to making 2D games, or if IGA or someone can pick up the slack Mighty No. 9 style...

― Nhex, Sunday, 3 May 2015 22:44

Games rarely return to 2D. There hasn't been a genuinely new 2d Capcom fighting game since Capcom Fighting Evolution/Jam (2004) and that game was made of more recycled character pixels than most fighting games. SNK hasn't really made anything new in ages and even they might not have 2d in their future if they continue to make new games at all.

I haven't seen that Mortal Kombat game's story mode, maybe it's fun but surely you don't thrill to "Oh no! Ken Masters (or Jill Valentine) has been radicalized with PSYCHO POWER and has to fight our hero!" or some dumb rivalry with the angst pumped up to maximum?
Cutscenes with emotional drama rarely do anything other than face imploding cringefests.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 00:29

the recent MK games are a lot more tongue-in-cheek (well, i guess they always were compared to SF/KOF). MK9 has a Butterfly Effect-eque plot involving Raiden sending a message back in time to undo the events of MK1-8, only to have things go catastrophically wrong with each timeline alteration. even Injustice constantly brings up how ridiculous the whole plot is, with SUPER SRS EVIL ALTERNATE UNIVERSE SUPERMAN as the villain. but really, it's a clever way to get you to play most of the characters on the roster for single player story mode, and it's fun and goofy universe stuff

i love touches that (and, no i don't think they need to apologize at all for being completely B-movie level) show there's a degree of care or love for the universe. The King of Fighters series started off putting little pre-match animations between distinct characters to highlight friendships/rivalries and other relationships in the '90s. MKX does a fantastic job with this, every single combination of characters has unique voiced banter entering a match. Injustice did his too with the clash events

are for 2D vs. fake 3D/2D, yeah, I would prefer if we got more Guilty Gear/Arcsys/Persona-style hand-drawn games too, but today they're pretty confined as "anime niche" even inside the sadly niche genre of fighting games. The SFIV series and MK series made distinct returns to 2D gameplay this past generation, especially compared to that dire early '00s period

― Nhex, Monday, 4 May 2015 04:41

Well those MK scenes are far wittier than anything in the tedious KOF13 faceoffs. But in Snk Vs Capcom Chaos there was this gem from Akuma: "Beating you was easier than smacking a baby. Not that I would ever do that."
I would generally prefer arcadey games avoided story and dialogue or kept it to a bare minimum unless they knew it was something they could do especially well.

Even Guilty Gear is going 3d, but it has impressively maintained the 2d look more any 2.5d game I've seen but I'm not really into it anymore. But yeah, I'm really not into the style Blazblue, Arcana Heart, Under Night In-Birth, Persona 4 Arena, Aquapazza amd Chaos Code has. After all these games you really appreciate how well animated games like Streetfighter 3rd Strike, Darkstalkers 3, KOF13 were.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 12:47

Actually I'd say that [early 00s] was one of the best times for fighting games. Capcom vs Snk 2, Marvel vs Capcom 2, Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution, Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, King Of Fighters 2003, Project Justice, Street Fighter Ex3 (I liked it, but the previous game was probably better), Guilty Gear X2, Soul Calibur 2, Tekken 4 and Samurai Shodown 6. Those were some of the best instalments of each series.

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 13:34

sorry, realizing that I got way off track here since this is the Castlevania thread. to sum up quickly i agree and disgaree with your various opinions here; but basically to me there's everything up until about '98 and the Dreamcast era, upon which there were the endless sprite rehashes that you mentioned with a few bright spots here and there (like Project Justice! loved that game) while the mainstream releases were "dominated" by things like generic 3D SFEX/MK/Tekken sequels. i want to put time into modern 2D fighters like Xrd, BlazBlue, P4A and Skullgirls and see if they're worth it but, you know, time and age means i'm going to sway towards the ones with bigger player bases

― Nhex, Monday, 4 May 2015 15:32

Fighting games unfortunately are one of the genres that tries to make previous games redundant because of the competitive scene that needs each series to have perfected versions in each series, so it becomes alienating for all but the hardcore with all these updates, this has sacrificed the genre in some ways. It's a difficult situation to deal with unless you're making something like Smash Bros or Power Stone.
People who've played them all in order but don't care about perfect mechanics or expansive character selection are going to prefer different games than someone choosing whichever has the most complete content.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 16:35 (seven years ago) link

Absolutely. It's tough for series to stay relevant and successful. I often wonder about Smash Bros. which seems to try hardest at mainstream acceptance and only recently has made some inroads towards appeasing the hardcore. But even with the simultaneous 3DS/WiiU push last year, I don't know how to gauge it. Honestly, I'm not getting likely a Wii U anytime soon either.

One game that really surprised me lately was Naruto Ultimate Storm 3 (from a couple years ago, it's two versions behind now I think?). Now, normally - and history will back me up on this - licensed fighting games are generally complete garbage. (Notable exception: Gundam Wing: Endless Duel for SFC.) There are still terrible-looking DBZ games coming out every single year, though the last one I played was all right (Budokai HD collection) That recent one looks... interesting?
...And frankly, Narultimate 3 is COMPLETELY composed of teen anime cliche drivel plot. It's Naruto, after all. TEENAGE NINJAS.
But the presentation! The budget! The super-simple Smash Bros. like inputs and yomi! QTEs and absurdly long scenes to put Metal Gear Solid to shame! A bazillion characters and personalities! Shockingly good. I want to give other Cyberconnect2 games a shot too, like that JoJo's Bizarre Adventure game that came out last year as well.

Anyway, right now, I'm playing MKX on PS4 and half-heartedly trying to convene a local scene in southeast NY through some forums. (TBH though I feel like I'm getting too old to provide the dedication necessary, and I don't think I'm ever going to EVO. But, the fire still burns...) The past half decade I've been more or less strictly SFIV, with a year I was really into Injustice: Gods Among Us.

Have you played any titles in recent years that you think is worth the effort to seek out? There's a ton of these little games like the ones you mentioned, like Battle Arcadia or NG Battle Coliseum, that have skipped my radar or I was too lazy to go for.

Nhex, Monday, 4 May 2015 17:06 (seven years ago) link

The last new fighting games I bought were King Of Fighters 13, Samurai Shodown Collection (which I found shockingly difficult, I wasn't able to beat arcade mode in any of the 6 games, which has never happened to me since Mortal Kombat 3), Vampire Chronicles (a Darkstalkers collection for Dreamcast), Tekken 6 and Soul Calibur 4. I didn't play any of them for much longer than 12 hours.

It's unlikely I'll buy another fighting game, for several reasons: I don't own any games consoles apart from a Nintendo DS (and it would be a miracle if I bought anything other than a handheld console because I hate how complex gaming systems are now, particularly all the online stuff and DLC), I rarely play games anymore because I don't enjoy gaming challenges or anything time consuming anymore, I don't like most of the character design in fighting games and it's getting increasingly further away from my tastes and I don't really like fighting or violence like I used to (I used to be NUTS for fighting games).

What has maintained my interest is that I like good visual designs and videogames make them come alive in ways that other mediums cant. I still look at the new fighting games because I get a kick out of imaginative designs when they come along on occasion and some of the moves and settings still impress. Hakan and Hilde were the last characters I thought were cool and I thought the king character in the last Power Instinct was hilarious.
But really, there isn't much I still like going around. I still have lots of interest in where Castlevania and Zelda are going but I don't know if I could commit to anything other than videos anymore. I think Dark Souls and Bloodborne are awesome but I could never play a game that difficult.

I'd recommend Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, particularly for the variety of characters you wont see in many other games. Mudman was huge fun and the Metal Slug guy Marco was done really well. Several of the KOF characters were reused in KOF11 (one of the best games in the series)but there's still a lot of fun characters to recommend it. SNK fans loved it but I don't think it did as well as it should have.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 19:22 (seven years ago) link

Also, I cant stomach the clichés and emotional drama of most of these games anymore.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 19:26 (seven years ago) link

My love for Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution surprised me because the series has always had a justified reputation for mostly bland characters but the game mechanics were a thing of beauty. Button mashing never payed off (like it often would in Namco games), experience and effort always won out. It was very rewarding. The hyper action mode was exhilarating.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 19:34 (seven years ago) link

picked up mkx for ps4, so far im enjoying it as the first real fighter ive played since SNES street fighter. community seems pretty active and the game is somewhat approachable for someone not fully invested in the genre thus far. not sure this has sparked a fire in me, and also not sure this game won't die as soon as something flashier drops on the console so for now it is an interesting diversion from destiny/bloodborne

head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 4 May 2015 19:48 (seven years ago) link

According to the hardcore gaming 101 articles, Fatal Fury was the fighting games series with the most unique entries that were never made redundant.

King Of Fighters is easier to select because if you get 98 Ultimate, 2002 Unlimited, 11 and 13, you have the majority of everything that was good about the main series. KOF Ex2 (Gameboy Advance) and KOF Maximum Impact 2 Regulation A if you want to be completest about different characters not featured in the main series.

Last Blade 2 probably makes the first game redundant but I never played it. Same goes for whatever the last Guilty Gear X2 game was.

I don't think anyone prefers the first Capcom Vs Snk over the second. The style systems in it were just too annoying and didn't let you have all your moves.

Many think Marvel vs Capcom 1 was a better game overall than 2, similarly Street Fighter Alpha 2 over Alpha 3 but the bigger rosters of MvC2 and SFA3 wins me over easily.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 19:56 (seven years ago) link

if you want to spar, friend me art! (psn: n-hex)

xps Samurai Shodown (and a ton of the original NeoGeo games) had insane level difficulty arcade modes, feel no shame. SNK AI in particular is known for its cheapness - I don't think I've had the patience to go through one of those since Garou: MOTW

VF seemed to me how you described, though I didn't really play it past the first three in the arcades, I always respected its... purity and technical excellence? Especially compared to Tekken which I never got down with. (Frankly it took me a very long time to warm up to 3D fighters - I didn't really like one until the first Soul Calibur) Every time there's another major number iteration I'm tempted to try it again. Unfortunately, VF doesn't seem to have taken hold competitively, but I'm surprised to find out that VF5: Final Showdown was still getting arcade updates in 2015.

MvC1 was where personally input speed/onscreen action just started getting TOO crazy for me, but I agree MvC2 was better and more fun. Marvel Super Heroes vs. SF was probably the least "broken" of that series, but let's be real, they all had slushy infinites.
Loved SFA3, even with the crazy broken V-ism jazz, over SFA2 which was more balanced and sound.

The Last Blade 2 was a massive upgrade over LB1 in terms of gameplay, graphics etc. IIRC, real cool stuff

Nhex, Monday, 4 May 2015 20:19 (seven years ago) link

On the easiest mode all those Snk games have a manageable arcade mode despite cheap bosses, it was hard in KOF 99-03 but I still beat them several times at a minimum, but those Samurai Shodown games were several levels harder and cheaper. The end boss of SS5 in particular is the biggest asshole in any game I've ever played.
Samurai Shodown is odd in that it looks and mostly plays the same as most fighting games but it has several rules that make it far harder to master.

It's odd that Virtua Fighter doesn't have more tournament cred because it's better tuned for competitive play than pretty much anything else.

I also taken a little while to accept 3d fighters but Tekken 2 Is still my favourite 3d fighter. The characters weren't so obnoxiously flashy in terms of haircuts/clothes, the music was great, I liked the lighting, the settings quite atmospheric and I loved the echoey sounds. Overall, even though it may seem slow I found the playing more satisfying.
I think after Tekken 4 the game lacked stylistic cohesion. So many of the characters looked like they came from another franchise.

Although I had enjoyed them all at some point, my main problem with Tekken, Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive is that it taken too long to watch the movelist demos let alone learn all the moves.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 23:04 (seven years ago) link

Xp will do, fair warning though, i am the worst.

head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 4 May 2015 23:10 (seven years ago) link

Dark Awake/Chaos Breaker is worth a look. It's a Dungeons & Dragons styled 2d fighter with quite impressive animation.
For a long time that, Red Earth/Warzard, Hokuto No Ken/Fist Of The Northstar (Arc System Works version) and Martial Masters were my most coveted rare fighting games but Dark Awake unexpectedly came to PSN a few years ago and the response wasn't too great.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 23:21 (seven years ago) link

Power Instinct is one of the maddest fighting game series ever. Shame it never travelled much.

The Prince character can throw carrots that his horse jumps in and catches.

Waku Waku 7 also looked quite nuts.

I think that Melty Blood is partially responsible for the current direction of 2d fighters, even though it wasn't a big professional thing.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 May 2015 23:50 (seven years ago) link

Fans of early Mortal Kombat might want to check out Death Cargo. It has the 2d photo animation but the gore is really fucking vile in a way that even offends some MK fans.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 00:49 (seven years ago) link

ohhhh THAT series! I played Matrimelee, which was hilarious and awesome (and i think had a weird crossover with Double Dragon), one of the last MVS games

It's odd that Virtua Fighter doesn't have more tournament cred because it's better tuned for competitive play than pretty much anything else.
Agreed; my theory is that perhaps Sega hasn't pushed international support/serious tourney play as much as Capcom, or maybe... well, maybe the characters are just too bland and stereotypical. i mean, even Tekken has a ton of goofy dumb characters.

Waku Waku 7 was flippin' great. Dandy J and the whole cast was wonderful, but it should be known forever for the game with the mighty BONUS KUN

re: Melty Blood, i feel like there was this gradual build up of fan/doujin fighting games in the early 2000s that somehow went pro. Looking it up now, i see they're the same company that made those fun Queen of Heart games and Glove On Fight

never heard of Dark Awake or Death Cargo, will do some research!

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 05:47 (seven years ago) link

Although I had enjoyed them all at some point, my main problem with Tekken, Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive is that it taken too long to watch the movelist demos let alone learn all the moves.
This is a major reason that I'm still turned off by most 3D fighters. Even MKX's combo lists are pushing it for me at about a dozen per character

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 05:49 (seven years ago) link

I looked up Death Cargo, seems like it might be a vaporware scam, which is kind of hilarious

Nhex, Thursday, 14 May 2015 17:00 (seven years ago) link

Kings of Kung Fu looks terrible, and it's Early Access (read: will probably never be finished) but's only a few bucks right now on Bundle Stars, and I admire their blatant love of Shaw Brothers and the like

Nhex, Saturday, 23 May 2015 00:08 (seven years ago) link

oops. let me try that again

Nhex, Saturday, 23 May 2015 00:09 (seven years ago) link

Looks terrible but I do love that almost all of the characters are recognizable from movies i have loved.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 23 May 2015 03:32 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

Decent deal on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - All Star Battle for PS3, $20, no tax, and free shipping if you have Amazon Prime. I don't expect this game to be available for too much longer, so I grabbed a copy.

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 16:59 (seven years ago) link

So Streetfighter 5 has Ryu, Chun Li, M Bison/Vega, Charlie/Nash, Cammy and Birdie so far. Can't they give some of these guys a rest? I hope there will be more new guys than in 4.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:20 (seven years ago) link

Probably not, unfortunately. I have this feeling that internally Capcom looked at the mostly-new cast of SFIII as a failure and they've been backpedaling away from new characters ever since, like at most you can have four new people in a game. (And who expects any of the new characters from IV to appear? Poor ELF.)

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:43 (seven years ago) link

The hope is kind of half hearted too because even if the cast was 90% new, they'd probably mostly look like j-pop stars or bland anyway.

After seeing Yoshimitsu's great new octopus costume I wonder why he looks consistently great in every game redesign yet few of the new characters look so imaginative. Do they get a different artist to design the different characters?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 19:29 (seven years ago) link

I think that returning characters probably have more lassitude because you can establish an awesome look without having to tie it to a coherent moveset? If this was Yoshimitsu's first Tekken then it'd be pretty confusing with the alien and the octopus and the sword and the pogo and the helicopter.

Which is not in any sense to take away from the fact that Yoshimitsu is completely baller.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 24 June 2015 16:32 (seven years ago) link

Haha indeed he is

Nhex, Thursday, 25 June 2015 16:45 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Glad at least they're (somewhat) making Ken a new-ish character

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2015 18:01 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Aw, Shippuden 4 got delayed to February

Nhex, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:31 (seven years ago) link

I'm interested in the "simpler" fighting games coming out -- Seth k*ll*an's Rising Thunder, Pocket Rumble, David Sirlin's Fantasy Strike. Supposedly the gameplay in the Rising Thunder alpha is already at a releasable state.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 02:20 (seven years ago) link

Sirlin' turning Fantasy Strike into an actual fighting game? Ha! Talk about snakes and tails..
Didn't know about Rising Thunder, will have to look into that.

Nhex, Wednesday, 5 August 2015 05:38 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Things of Beauty: Super Smash Bros. as Spectator Sport

I could never get seriously into Smash for various reasons, but I really like this video

Nhex, Thursday, 20 August 2015 05:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah, that's interesting; thx for sharing

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 20 August 2015 16:28 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

A bunch of new SF5 characters with interesting moves, (like Tekken they've added an Arabian guy). Karin was a lot of fun in SF Alpha 3.

Teaser for King Of Fighters 14 is really disappointing. I knew they were going with 3d but it looks very modest.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 18 October 2015 15:59 (six years ago) link

I like Laura's look and moves. Very happy to see Karin and Mika back.


Nhex, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 00:02 (six years ago) link

Just preordered SFV to get access to the second beta round. Getting antsy waiting for the beta code to be emailed to me from Best Buy...

Nhex, Wednesday, 21 October 2015 16:12 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Somehow I missed this. It's from May.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Thursday, 19 November 2015 11:36 (six years ago) link

Starting at around 9:30.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Thursday, 19 November 2015 11:36 (six years ago) link

good god

Nhex, Friday, 20 November 2015 04:40 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

As someone who loves story/single player modes in fighting games I definitely agree with several points in his article. (I wish Battle High 2 didn't have such terrible graphics. Maybe I'll still grab it as a lark - it's free/pay-what-you-want on PC.)

Nhex, Thursday, 17 December 2015 06:49 (six years ago) link

five months pass...

Injustice 2 pre-leaked prior to E3, looks like... I'm in

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 June 2016 00:52 (six years ago) link

it has loot crates and microtransactions

remove butt (abanana), Thursday, 9 June 2016 04:35 (six years ago) link

argh. i imagine it's gonna be a mess competitively. i'll just have to enjoy the single player mode, i guess

Nhex, Thursday, 9 June 2016 08:00 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

It's EVO time! Psyched to watch the SFV finals on ESPN tomorrow night.
Been watching the SRK streams - they have five this year! - and three guys from my local flew out there to participate so I'm more invested than usual.
Man, I wish I was good at Marvel. Just started getting into Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator and still trucking along w/SFV.

Nhex, Saturday, 16 July 2016 18:39 (six years ago) link

Nhex, Saturday, 16 July 2016 20:20 (six years ago) link

four weeks pass...
one month passes...

I see there's a ROM hack attempt at balancing ST, incorporating the better bits of HDR.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Wednesday, 21 September 2016 07:21 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

This guy Xanadu from KOF 14 is hilarious

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 19 December 2016 17:15 (five years ago) link

what... what is his gimmick??

Nhex, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 18:41 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Ultra Street Fighter II coming to Nintendo Switch... both classic and HDR graphics, two new palette swaps, no word on gameplay changes. I don't plan on getting a Switch so I don't really care.

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Friday, 13 January 2017 17:18 (five years ago) link

What happened with Death Cargo? Kickstarter vaporware?

Nhex, Saturday, 24 April 2021 23:53 (one year ago) link

I think it's just really poorly managed business and an unplayably buggy game that very few people got to play. Maybe they switched to a beat-em-up because it seemed simpler?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 25 April 2021 00:06 (one year ago) link

Guilty Gear open beta again:

Tahini Coates (Leee), Friday, 7 May 2021 21:52 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

VF5 for PS4 is out on tuesday, free for PS+ subscribers

chihuahuau, Sunday, 30 May 2021 21:52 (one year ago) link

saw EVO moment 37 for the first time, wow

lukas, Sunday, 30 May 2021 23:06 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 15 July 2021 07:04 (one year ago) link

have to wonder if there any children who know who Powdered Toast Man is

Nhex, Thursday, 15 July 2021 07:10 (one year ago) link

from the developers of Slap City:

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 15 July 2021 07:10 (one year ago) link

as if this is aimed at children

wasdnuos (abanana), Thursday, 15 July 2021 07:13 (one year ago) link

ah! impressed that they got a real gig off that. so this might be better than all the other crappy Smash clones.

Nhex, Thursday, 15 July 2021 07:14 (one year ago) link

yeah this is definitely aimed at people who were born in the 90s, the character choices are mostly from the same era as melee

ciderpress, Thursday, 15 July 2021 13:17 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

New trailer, doesn't reveal much

Voice actors haven't been contacted, and games can't reuse their voices without permission.

Some box art with silhouetted characters was leaked by Target. It reveals more characters:

adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 25 August 2021 17:25 (one year ago) link

I wonder if Nick has the rights to Rocco’s Modern Life. I’m guessing no, seeing how people never mention wishlist characters from that show in comments sections.

n/a (FlopsyDuck), Wednesday, 25 August 2021 20:43 (one year ago) link

CatDog and yellow jumpsuit April O'Neil trailers released. Definitely being aimed at 90s kids.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 26 August 2021 23:30 (one year ago) link

Funny that she got announced as a playable character in two games this week, which I suppose is probably intentional

Nhex, Thursday, 26 August 2021 23:39 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

basic gameplay guide

The Clutch button from Slap City is replaced by a Strafe button that keeps you faced the same way. I like how the attacks have a rock-paper-scissors system where each pair has a different effect on the loser.

adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:05 (one year ago) link

I wonder what will end up being the dominant platform for this game, if it succeeds. Switch, out of Smash loyalty? The previous or current generation of Xbox or PS5? PC due to current FGC trends?

Nhex, Thursday, 16 September 2021 00:52 (one year ago) link

Also if we'll just get used to the lack of voice acting

Nhex, Thursday, 16 September 2021 00:58 (one year ago) link

The devs said the Switch version will only have rollback netcode during 1-on-1 battles, and some of the other versions will have it during the other modes. So the Switch version might not be the most popular.

The Power Rangers game, Battle for the Grid, got voice acting after its initial release so there's still a remote possibility for it in this game.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 16 September 2021 04:04 (one year ago) link

Smack Studio - This one is interesting. Came out yesterday, main sell is that it's a Smash clone that can somehow auto-generate 3D fighters out of 2D sprite art.

Nhex, Tuesday, 21 September 2021 13:06 (one year ago) link

so it's MUGEN for Smash Bros. then

adam t. (abanana), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 15:25 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...
SoulCal 7, Injustice 2, Power Rangers, KI, MK XL, Slap City, One Finger Death Punch 2

adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 19:01 (eleven months ago) link

own almost all of those on other platforms, will buy anyway

Nhex, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 19:10 (eleven months ago) link

There's rumors of a Warner Bros. smashlike. Cartoon characters and DC and other properties.

adam t. (abanana), Monday, 25 October 2021 13:24 (eleven months ago) link

finally i can pit marvin martian against darkseid

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 November 2021 03:06 (eleven months ago) link

very extensive Super SF2 Turbo fan patch that goes beyond what HD Remix tried. The character change notes come with hitbox images and specific match-up differences. It can be played online with Fightcade which I should probably stop putting off and install already.

adam t. (abanana), Wednesday, 10 November 2021 06:05 (ten months ago) link

Mandatory presentation on corporate synergy

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:14 (ten months ago) link

You must clap now.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:16 (ten months ago) link

Think of the DLC opportunities

Top Cat
Johnny Bravo
Jason X
Yogi Bear
Alex DeLarge
Rosie the Robot
Ramsay Bolton
Cowardly Lion
Tony Soprano
Michigan J. Frog
Sister Jeanne

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 18 November 2021 23:54 (ten months ago) link

Wow they really put in Super Saiyan Shaggy
I do like that they're focusing on 2v2. Only character that seemed out of place was the Game of Thrones character

Nhex, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:28 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

Finally cracked open Mortal Kombat 11: Aftermath, having also picked up the final Kombat Pass later on. The online Tower structure for single player is still a mixture of cool and unnecessarily grindy, but I got sucked back into the skin game. The super violent Saturday Morning cartoon-level story was fun, and I LOVE the sheer ridiculousness of having Robocop, Terminator and now JOHN RAMBO as playable characters. (Faster load times on enhanced PS5 version also a nice bonus.)

There was a DLC pack to reskin AND re-voice Johnny Cage, Sonya and Raiden with the '95 movie actors (like they did with Shang Tsung), and yes that includes Lambert. To my shock, the actors actually recorded ALL the match dialogue, intros and various taunts and such. That's a lot! Easily worth the sale price of $3 for that level of amusement.

Really wish the Street Fighter franchise had this level of money, polish, love and actual attention to the single player side. The SF6 teaser didn't do much for me, and makes me think we're far off from an actual game - maybe spring '23? And hopefully less rushed than SFV's launch was.

Nhex, Friday, 25 February 2022 19:42 (seven months ago) link

My hope is that Capcom's bad single player modes were because of Ono, and without him, SF6 will be an improvement.

adam t. (abanana), Friday, 25 February 2022 22:23 (seven months ago) link

I can't totally blame Ono - clearly Capcom was unwilling to put serious money and effort behind their SF franchise as well as MvC4. I mean, look at the stuff they're putting out with Monster Hunter, Devil May Cry, Resident Evil, etc - it's just sad how little they care about the fighting division.

Nhex, Sunday, 27 February 2022 17:46 (seven months ago) link

has more to do with jp fighting games historically being thought of as arcade games first with the console versions being ports, i suspect. pretty much every anime fighter has half-assed single player content too, same with SNK games, it's not just capcom

ciderpress, Sunday, 27 February 2022 19:13 (seven months ago) link

I guess it depends if you count stuff like the Naruto games as anime fighters, but that's fair... Guilty Gear doesn't even try anymore with a real story mode, but at least their tutorials/trials/MoM-mode stuff is meaty. DBFZ did try to do a proper story mode, but was pretty much garbage and only slightly better than Capcom's efforts. I agree that stuff like Under Night/KOF/Tekken (maybe) are at or below SF-level. Smash Ultimate did very well, imo.

None of this stuff comes close to NRS games in any case. And it's not like they're the only ones who did this sort of thing ever - I remember the home ports of Soul Calibur 2 having a pretty solid single player RPG mode as well, though from what I saw later games didn't go as well.

Nhex, Sunday, 27 February 2022 23:57 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Daigo broke out some new anti-Urien tech during the most recent big SFV tournament. Pretty hype!

adam t. (abanana), Monday, 14 March 2022 07:49 (six months ago) link

great video

Nhex, Monday, 14 March 2022 12:26 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Always wondered how Martial Masters looked so much like Capcom at their peak of 90s 2d animation

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 April 2022 19:09 (five months ago) link

lol @ the English guy with Sabretooth's super from XvSF
i like the occasionally fluid animation but the designs are kinda weak

Nhex, Thursday, 28 April 2022 23:29 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

Nick Brawl got voice acting, mostly by the original actors! I've heard the game isn't very good!

oh and the entire SF6 roster leaked

adam t. (abanana), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 12:27 (three months ago) link

Cautiously optimistic about SF6 and its leaks. I thought V looked pretty good at the time too (Ken's face not withstanding)

Got Nick Brawl from a Humble Bundle and it's free on PS+ this month so will be happy to try it out at somepoint

Nhex, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:55 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I haven't played fighting games since probably SF2 Championship Edition and MK3 so I'm way out of the loop, but the hype around SF6 and some Guilty Gear news have kind of piqued my interest? Is the point of fighting games though mostly online PVP though (which is kind of a non-starter for me)?

God of Snore (2018) (Leee), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 17:20 (one month ago) link

Unfortunately yes, most games are all about PvP. Although SF6 has a single player World Tour mode that has yet to be described. MKX and MK11 are the gold standard for single player content in fighting games, I've heard.

formerly abanana (dat), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 17:44 (one month ago) link

There's the traditional arcade mode too, but yeah in general something like SFV is all about getting you online (which I was very against but actually enjoyed).

woof, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 19:15 (one month ago) link

i know fuck all about SFV but the evo top 8 was nuts

> Is the point of fighting games though mostly online PVP though

yes for the pvp
no for the online which is a necessary compromise from the ideal of in-person pvp

but regardless, a beginner will spend most of their early hours labbing or playing against the CPU, in between getting destroyed everytime they play another human

chihuahuau, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 02:22 (one month ago) link

Yeah, my bugbear is still that fighting games lack compelling single player content (except NRS games like Mortal Kombat and Injustice, and even those have a lot of online-only hooks to get to it). But there has been progress at least in the past 10 years of getting better tutorials to prepare you for fighting human beings.

Someone let me know if there's a quick good roundup of all the various Finals sets from this Evo?

Nhex, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 18:22 (one month ago) link

It was a long time ago but I very much liked the tour modes in Streetfighter Alpha 3 and Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution, and the practice mode in Streetfighter Ex 2 was fun

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 19:43 (one month ago) link

Good video, pretty solid advice.

One REALLY good tip he mentions that I wish I'd done years ago: just turn off the ability for people to message you. 99% of the time it's just awful toxicity; limiting to animated teabagging definitely was good for my mental health

Another good point was that it's hard to undervalue how much better it is to be playing against friends in person vs. online, it's a whole different life but sadly not a realistic option for most, esp. since Covid. I still stay in some contact with my old crew on Discord but haven't seen or played with any of them in years. (Also, everybody gets old eventually)

Nhex, Thursday, 18 August 2022 23:19 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Granblue Fantasy Versus free on PS+ this month. I was interested in the single player, which is kinda cool, but the loading times - especially when you're fighting many successive 30 second battles - are atrocious
Also it's basically a console gacha game, so eh

Nhex, Wednesday, 7 September 2022 15:44 (three weeks ago) link

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