Rogueism

http://drgamelove.blogspot.com/2009/06/permanent-death-episode-1-inasupicious.html

http://www.above49.ca/2009/06/far-cry-2-on-permanent-death-bandwagon.html
http://bigapple3am.com/2009/06/permanent-death---far-cry-2-part-1.html

is pokemonism the opposite of rougeism (i.e. between the possibility of "collecting them all" and the forcing of hard choices which result in vast differences on each playthrough and of which none is clearly "superior"?)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, November 28, 2005 12:25 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh the innocent days before permadeath pokemon was 'a thing'

mainly i revive this thread because there wasn't one for ftl

i have spent like 48 hours playing ftl in the past week

i hate myself

The ROGUE-LIKE Thread

but wait - there's permadeath in pokemon now?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nuzlocke_Challenge

not, like, hard-coded or anything

i couldn't find this because i searched for "roguism" and i couldn't find the other one because i searched for "roguelike", next time i am just going to revive my doomrl thread that no one else posted on

so FTL is really well balanced except i. you kind of need a teleporter to beat the last boss ii. as soon as you prioritize getting a teleporter you realise it breaks the whole game

and yet now i've realised that instead of having fun i'm trying to get all the achievements and beat it with all of the ships, no discovery any more, efficient runs only, quit on making a mistake, go to the wiki every time i come across a new event, go videogames

i hate myself

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, January 7, 2013 12:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

let's face it, if you like Rogue-likes, it's kind of a given, dawg (myself included) - it takes a certain amount of stubbornness and self-hatred to enjoy this genre

woo! i beat FTL on normal!!

oh huh neat

regular ship or one of the unlocks? i have been starting lots of normal games and rage-quitting when i forget to turn off the artillery beam and blow up a ship with my boarding crew on it by accident

with the cruiser obv

I think I was only able to unlock like 4 ships.

Still FTL is awesome for having that kinda experience I can run on my work/travel laptop. Saving the universe from an airplane seat!

I wasn't aware of this until a week ago, but ADOM ran a successful Indiegogo campaign and is back in development.

let's face it, if you like Rogue-likes, it's kind of a given, dawg (myself included) - it takes a certain amount of stubbornness and self-hatred to enjoy this genre

Maybe? After playing a roguelike for a couple hours stretch I start to lose the sensation that I'm interacting with orcs and dragons and feel instead that I'm surfing a wave of digital information, like a Tetris game you can actually win

i beat it with the type 2 kestral xxxxp

basic laser x4! interesting

let's face it, if you like Rogue-likes, it's kind of a given, dawg (myself included) - it takes a certain amount of stubbornness and self-hatred to enjoy this genre

Maybe? After playing a roguelike for a couple hours stretch I start to lose the sensation that I'm interacting with orcs and dragons and feel instead that I'm surfing a wave of digital information, like a Tetris game you can actually win

― friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, January 8, 2013 2:40 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mm this is the same point i have got to when i say this:

and yet now i've realised that instead of having fun i'm trying to get all the achievements and beat it with all of the ships, no discovery any more, efficient runs only, quit on making a mistake, go to the wiki every time i come across a new event, go videogames

― attempt to look intentionally nerdy, awkward or (thomp), Monday, January 7, 2013 1:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's something about roguelikes that make this transition way more central to the experience than when you play, like, god of war

probably that it's 50% preparation and meticulously-gained knowledge and experience through countless deaths, and 50% deluded gambler-rage against random number generation

basic laser x4 is OP until around sector 5 imo around which you've really got to upgrade to some ion weapons and/or bombs.

ultimately the best way to go about it in my experience is disabled medbays and sending boarding parties. i'm sure there are other successful strategies too but that's worked best for me.

i'm still finding a tough balance between exploring enough to get resources and running out of gas / money

thom jesus west (4:55:21 PM): you killed and ate some gnomes first tho

i stand by that

i have ~oddly vivid~ memories of my nethack-addicted period, normally in remembering videogames i remember what transpires on the screen, nethack i remember that i was listening to the first marnie stern album on a loop basically the entire time and the particular movements of my hands on the keys, or rather how my body felt in space and it felt to be ~interfaced with the machine~

that was then and this is now and thats that

a friend of mine saw i'd left my laptop running ftl and she said "whatever that is, it makes me feel very sorry for you"

haha

she should feel happy for you. ftl is awesome. i beat it on normal w/ the stealth ship yesterday!

i finished it on normal with the cruiser |:

woo! beat FTL w/ the Mantis cruiser, unlocked its second form, and I think I've got all the ships unlocked except for the Crystal one.

oh man playing w/ the basilisk is so much fun - 4-person teleporter ftw

my highest score yet - basilisk w/ 5395 points (also set my personal most ships defeated: 47, most scrap collected: 2406, most combat kills - 88, and most piloted evasions -281)

:( stop tempting me with this obviously addictive and awesome game

there's something about roguelikes that make this transition way more central to the experience than when you play, like, god of war

There's something also odd about people who post some of the FAQs, like "Hey I transformed this interesting game into a joyless grind / an OP faceroll, let me show you how and validate the hours I spent on this!!!".

Which I definitely will do if it's falling into the category of games that I like for the story (so, er, not very many roguelikes - is this one of their defining features, that it's less "the story" than "the stories, that your character would tell in the local inn for years"?) rather than the actual gameplay.

Andrew I've said here and elsewhere that the specific feeling that Roguelikes create is closer to the experience of playing Tetris. You're manipulating a stream of circumstance into a potential endgame, it's like surfing

Yeah I can definitely see that, though I think the complexity makes some difference - I've never finished a game of Tetris and wished that there was someone there to talk to about what just happened. Also most roguelikes aren't real time.

They're real time in that they eat up your real life

I mean, I tend to play as quick as possible because I want to achieve some sort of transcendent state of character cultivation within a reasonable time frame. It's about quick keystrokes and just-hubristic-enough game plans

Whenever I read a victory post (Skyrim included) and it involves a tonne of herb gathering, smithing, farming or repetitive skill development I am reminded as to why I only play this shit when I'm sick and bed-ridden

what on earth is an "OP faceroll"

OP = overpowered, as used upthread.

faceroll = er actually possibly slang local to WoW - it indicates that a class is so easy to play you could perform adequately just by binding their spells to random keys, resting your face on the keyboard, and rolling it around on there.

Achievement Unlocked: Your Own Fleet

well ... done?

thx! :)

crystal ships are super easy mode

how many hours have you spent on this dare i ask

idk I didn't time myself. Its a great game bc u can play a little bit whenever u have some spare time

Also the more you play the better you get at it