Witcher is very good at explaining in baby-language how to do stuff and what you're meant to do next, but there's a LOT and as I'm not very well versed in the vernacular of new third-person gaming, it's still a lot of info for me to understand
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:41 (four years ago) link
Witcher is how
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:48 (four years ago) link
wow how did i flub that post
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 13:49 (four years ago) link
not even going to try again
Witcher is how― ciderpress, Monday, October 21, 2019 2:48 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― ciderpress, Monday, October 21, 2019 2:48 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
You're how
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 13:56 (four years ago) link
lolAt first I thought cider was going to say that tackling a complex game like Witcher might be a decent trial-by-fire method to get used to nu-games
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:02 (four years ago) link
i was gonna say something about how it's a game where the gameplay is secondary to the writing and world building and so you can kinda just make your way through with basic tactics and occasional weapon/armor upgrades if you don't feel like learning the alchemy systems
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:08 (four years ago) link
you can get through most tough encounters just by abusing the shield rune plus hit and run tactics iirc
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:10 (four years ago) link
that's good to know. I'm trying to help an old lady find a frying pan right now. V silly.
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:12 (four years ago) link
I was told Dark Souls is for pros only. Perhaps Red Dead would have been a better indoctrination, but oh well I'm on this one for now.
Are there any good PS4 games that are similar to Earthbound/Chrono Trigger, in that they've got a lot of offbeat humour going on, as well as a cool story and puzzles?
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
Witcher 3 made me sigh after an hour and try something else. Maybe I'll go back, but it was a lot to grasp and tbh to work that hard to understand something I'd like to be paid.
― L'assie (Euler), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:13 (four years ago) link
xp you could try Dragon Quest XI if you want a traditional turn based rpg like those
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:15 (four years ago) link
Dark Souls was hard but wasn't that bad, imo. You'll likely need help, like I did, but there's enough going on that I can (in theory) imagine going back to it at some point and trying it a different way.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link
xp - not fussed if it's turn-based or not (not 100% sure what that means, but I can guess it's down to the battle style), more the weirdness and humour of those kinds of games that I like. A lot of PS4 RPG-ish games look very serious and masculine - big dudes with swords or guns killing aliens or dragons or soldiers, which is cool and everything but it's quite po-faced a lot of the time and doesn't break the fourth wall too much
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:45 (four years ago) link
turn-based meaning you choose commands from a menu rather than controlling the character directly. like the games you mentioned
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:51 (four years ago) link
oh yeah. i guess i find all that stuff to be the most tedious parts of those games. i love everything else
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
but yeah dragon quest xi is probably the best answer to your question, it very much maintains the style of those 90s JRPGs
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 14:56 (four years ago) link
i'll think on whether there's an action RPG alternative, blanking on one right now
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:01 (four years ago) link
I take back my prior comments on Control running great on the original PS4
It's not every scene that kills it, but by mid-game my console is trying its best to keep up. Might work better on the installed version when not reading from disc? In any case, yikes. Still very fun, though.
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
and this is after the patch?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:26 (four years ago) link
presumably
I need to sort out what's going on with my PS4, because it's refusing to apply the 7.00 system update because the download is corrupted regardless of how I download it. It appears to have patched Control, though. I'll double check.
honestly couldn't be bothered to fix anything because it was the end of my vacation and I just wanted to play games and not give a shit about anything else
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:39 (four years ago) link
Turn-based RPG recommendation: Persona 5, but this time I'd definitely advise waiting because the expansion is coming sometime next year.
Action RPG a la Witcher 3 (which I still think is terrifically overrated and unfun but hey dog latin if you're digging it who am I to rain on yer parade?): Horizon Zero Dawn (stars inquisitive female character).
― HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:09 (four years ago) link
HZD AKA the one where a cave girl fights robot dinosaurs.
― HELLA FITZGERALD (Leee), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:10 (four years ago) link
i still haven't played the new DQ but that seems like a perfect recommendation for dog latin, as far as kind of old school ideas on a new platform. persona 5, too! more of an updated take but perfectly graspable and v stylish
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:13 (four years ago) link
Noob question: Can I save games to my PS4 so I don't need to swap discs whne I want to play a new game? Is it recommended on a 500GB?
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:16 (four years ago) link
yes you can! in fact, i'm not even sure how you save to anywhere except the ps4 (there's probably a USB stick option but i've never messed with it)
also, not sure if you know, but you don't need to buy discs (unless you want to) - you can buy games directly from the store and download them. installing games to the hard drive also makes them run faster (?? i'm assuming this is true)
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
buy games directly from the ^online ps4^ store and download them, if that wasn't clear
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:21 (four years ago) link
the answer is actually the worst of both worlds i think, most big games automatically install to the hard drive because running it directly off the disc is too slow, but the disc acts as DRM so you still need it in.
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:22 (four years ago) link
oh dang, that blows - i am glad to have zero discs
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:23 (four years ago) link
the alternative is buying the games digitally from the PS store, obviously the downside there is you can't get the same type of discounts/sales as buying a disc copy at retail
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
btw, the "just buy games online and download them" strategy won't work as well if you're the kind of person who likes to have 30+ games accessible at any point. for me, i usually have 2-3 games i'm working on at any given moment, another handful for certain situations, and then the rest of them are ones that i've deleted to save space on my hard drive but can be re-downloaded at any point if i want to play them.
it's never created a situation for me, but not for everyone
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:25 (four years ago) link
I think my greatest axe to grind was that newest Final Fantasy game, which I probably spent more time installing than playing because I couldn't get into it.
Put disc in, it wants to install. I let it install. Then it immediately downloads a patch that's nearly the size of the entire game. Actually, thinking back, it might have just downloaded the entire game and the disc was useless.
The "day one patch" offenders for games released on discs are bad enough now that the downloaded version is superior
― mh, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:36 (four years ago) link
cool. what do i do to download? I haven't seen that option.
Also, are we sharing handles on here for multiplayer online purposes?
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:38 (four years ago) link
Many xps but I don't think you got any answers to this?
Wouldn't mind some recommendations of two-player or multi-player games that I can download and play with my S/O and housemate
I'd definitely look at Rocket League, Overcooked, and one or more of the Jackbox Party Packs (esp the one that includes Fibbage). But in all honesty if this was a key driver for you, you might have been better off with that Switch after all - couch multiplayer largely died out on other platforms when online play took off.
― JimD, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:42 (four years ago) link
(Oh, also Nidhogg and maybe Towerfall Ascension, if you want competitive rather than co-op)
― JimD, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:45 (four years ago) link
We had a lot of fun with Broforce too though it's hard to recommend because the performance is so bad on PS4 and I don't think it ever got fixed? But yeah 2d 16-bit style games shouldn't be seeing their frame rates drop to single figures on modern hardware)
― JimD, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:46 (four years ago) link
Even on Switch I want to say many of their best multiplayer games are designed for online play. Thinking of stuff like Splatoon, though of course there is always Smash Brothers and Mario Kart, which are both also ideal for couch multiplayer. I don't think I've purchased a game for PS4 thus far that made me regret not having online access, though there are a few games in which said feature seems intriguing.Overcooked ... I think we collectively played about 15 minutes of it as a family before we realized it was a really really bad idea.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
Rcket League, Overcooked, and one or more of the Jackbox Party Packs
Towerfall Ascension, Broforce
yes to all of these, and also otm about couch multiplayer being garbage on ps4
haven't played Nidhogg! in fact i haven't even heard of it, i gotta check it out.
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:50 (four years ago) link
recently i was having a brodown with an old friend with a ps4, so we decided to get super-nostalgic and purchase the remastered tony hawk 2 so we could do multiplayer like we did a million times in the past. turns out the remastered game took out the split screen option so that the only way you can play with your friend is if they are in their own home, online.
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
there's plenty of couch multiplayer on ps4 especially if you include stuff like the entire fighting game genre or sports genre
― ciderpress, Monday, 21 October 2019 16:55 (four years ago) link
thanks everyone!!
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
it's so sad that multiplayer couch style games aren't really a thing though.. I mean, that was half the fun of having a console back in the day, getting your mates round and playing rounds of Mortal Kombat or Mario Kart and stuff.. I get why you'd want to play online with loads of other people you've never met, but there's room for both right?
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
I think we collectively played about 15 minutes of it as a family before we realized it was a really really bad idea.
Hahaaa same here tbh but I assumed that just meant it was a bad idea for our family. I've enjoyed it more with peers, just a tricky one to play with your kids without finding yourself yelling at them.
― JimD, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:04 (four years ago) link
i played overcooked with a friend who is a irl short order cook, and also exceptionally good at video games. i was kind of shocked at how poorly we performed as a team
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:07 (four years ago) link
it's so sad that multiplayer couch style games aren't really a thing though
Yeah definitely. Like, me and my son loved playing destiny together but to do it we needed to be in different rooms on different ps4s plugged into different tvs using headsets to communicate, it was pretty fucking dysfunctional really.
(ciderpress is right though, I was forgetting fighting and sport games, they still exist if you're into them).
― JimD, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:09 (four years ago) link
I mean, that was half the fun of having a console back in the day, getting your mates round and playing rounds of Mortal Kombat or Mario Kart and stuff.. I get why you'd want to play online with loads of other people you've never met, but there's room for both right?
It's not an issue in my house, since my girls don't really play any of this shit, but I know plenty of parents of kids who do, and their kids apparently spend hours playing multiplayer games together online with friends as an activity seemingly preferable to interacting in real life, which is very much on generation trend (see also: less partying, drinking, drugs, sex, per studies). I wonder if any of it stems from the fact that in many cases these games make it, per the earlier comment, literally impossible to play together on the same screen, in the same room.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 October 2019 18:07 (four years ago) link
There's always LAN parties. :)
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 21 October 2019 18:15 (four years ago) link
ciderpress otm. couch multiplayer is totally a thing.every sports gameevery fighting gamegt sportminecraftovercookedbut ESPECIALLY crash team racing
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 October 2019 18:24 (four years ago) link
competitive competitive is a thing - cooperative, not so much. but i suppose that's always been true
tbh i may have a warped perspective because my coop partner doesn't like sports, fighting, or racing games.
― It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Monday, 21 October 2019 18:26 (four years ago) link