there is this fixation these days with thinking that media shapes people. the internet stirs up extremism, the media's job is to influence popular opinion, fake news made people vote wrong, etc. i don't think violent movies/videogames/websites generally make people any more or less violent than they would be if they had some other media to express their violent tendencies. those tendencies are created more at home, by the behavior of their relatives, by their environment, by biological lottery, by familial genetic peculiarities, by the mental health spectrum, etc. everyone has a different experience growing up, and some people are exposed to violent things irl.
as for social awkwardness, it is an error to conflate that with anti-social behavior, and dangerous to couple that with tendencies towards extremism. there is a spectrum of social awkwardness, just as there is a spectrum of mental health. it is unfortunate that a modern (and ancient) solution to many problems is labeling the accused "mentally ill" and discard the problem, as if applying that label absolves any responsibility to then treat that person as a normal human. mental health (and disaba-phobia) is not just a medical issue it is a social justice issue and we've got a long way to go but it will be extremely worth it when we make progress - maybe we will find it is a root cause of many of our problems. besides captialism/over-medication doesn't seem to be doing us any favors.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 5 February 2017 17:17 (seven years ago) link
did you just "not all social awkward people" me?
― mh 😏, Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:48 (seven years ago) link
i agree that culture has no effect whatsoever on the people who live in it
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
https://mobile.twitter.com/ItsTonyNow/status/829801489581428736
― International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:15 (seven years ago) link
i mean haven't u all heard some older white dude say some inappropriate shit to u bc they thought you were sympatico?
No, actually.
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
oh god
― mh 😏, Thursday, 9 February 2017 22:38 (seven years ago) link
xp touché tho i have no doubt u're aware of this phenomenon
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 February 2017 23:52 (seven years ago) link
a rare note of positivity for this thread as nuclear-grade youtube irritant pewdiepie gets hammered for antisemitism
YouTube Cancels Pewdiepie's Show, Removes Him From Premium Advertising
― for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
My experience with this is:
a) someone my own age says some offensive, horrifying shit to a white person with me because they forgot I'm not whiteb) someone my own age says some offensive, horrifying shit to someone who looks like me and then says "oh I don't mean you, you're one of the good ones"
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
or c) someone my own age says some offensive, horrifying shit to me because they want to put me in my place, but that hasn't happened in a while
i've heard multiple variants of the phrase "he jewed me down on the price" from acquaintances my age (all from smaller towns or weird exurban enclaves) and the thing that kills me is that confronting them is usually some sort of "what do you mean I said something that... oh"
most recent happened in the presence of our jewish mutual friend o_O
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
the guy who sold me and my dad my first car told us he didn't want to jew us down on the price and we bit tongues and left with the car.
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
Heard about the pewdiepie thing -- he's one of the most popular youtubers right? Was this bullshit creepingly evident all along in his thing?
― his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
every youtube gaming personality is a south park character come to life
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:55 (seven years ago) link
specifically some weird cross between Cartman and Mr Garrison
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link
i hear the "jew'd" me thing often enough that tbph as offended as i am i just assume it's unconscious bigotry and not conscious maliciousness. i think i've told this story before but more troubling is when my parents were buying a car and the salesperson asked them what it feels like to be members of the most despised people on earth.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
"You mean besides car salespeople?"
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:06 (seven years ago) link
(sorry, that was dumb)
i think they were too shocked to retort (and they're not those kinds of ppl anyway) - fwiw they did not purchase a car from him
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:07 (seven years ago) link
my wife and i have a friend who said something about not wanting to be "jew'd down", and my wife chalked it up to something akin to using "gyp", but we both agreed that it's insane to actually say that, even unconsciously imo. but our friend, she's also from another part of the country where it might be extremely common. i dunno where it's common, i never heard it growing up around me (i heard other reprehensible shit) so it still shocks me.
― nomar, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
isn't gyp a slur too tho
― adam, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
yes don't use it
― Mordy, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
I think that was nomar's point? ie it's a slur but an unconscious one that a bunch of people who use it don't actually interrogate to notice what they're actually saying (which is insane but also how part and parcel of the unreliable narrative/selective memory ppl use to convince themselves that 100% of the time they are good ppl)
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
remember when jaymc said "coon's age" in that one thread
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
really we just need a meme drive to purge all those phrases and replace them with "saxophone"
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:35 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, it's in this weird zone where it's absolutely a slur - I don't use it, I call it out when I hear it, and I'd expect say an ilxor not to use it. But I expect that 95+% of the people who use it (a) have no idea it's a slur (b) have no idea it's even short for "Gypsy" (c) have no idea "Gypsy" refers to a specific ethnic group that still exists in the world and not just in vaguely-remembered childhood tales or romanticized pop songs.
All those things need to be corrected obviously - similar to lots of American idioms that are descended from racist slurs and are long overdue for being re-examined and purged from the language. But still a little different from, say, my late father, who was brought up to be specifically suspicious of present-day Gypsies, that they would steal your stuff and that's why you should put valuable things in the trunk before you leave the house and not when you arrive at your destination, etc.
― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:41 (seven years ago) link
the difference being that large portions of the US have no no cultural understanding that "gypped" (people even write it as "jipped") has anything to do with romani people, and people use "gypsy" as some sort of romanticized word for someone who's somewhat nomadic, not even in a negative way
there's no cultural disconnect from "jew'd", it's all right there
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
xp to DC saying my point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yGdiXCwTVk
― removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
It reminds me of the whole south park comparison -- paradoxically, I go into full-on stereotype mode when I see news of these video game/youtube idiots throwing out racist crap because I am sure that 2/3 of them have no life experience outside of video games. They go to a very socially homogenous school/workplace, go to some clothing/food/supply superstore like Target or Wal-Mart in their exurb/suburb and then going back to play more video games and yell racial slurs online. Because they only have a vague idea of a human cultural experience that doesn't involve the narrow slice they've been served up, and it's like a bizarro world monoculture
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 18:56 (seven years ago) link
This is why I said it was insane.
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link
kinda surprised trump hasn't used it as a sign of his respect for the jewish people's negotiating prowess
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
Do you think that figure is higher or lower than non-Youtubers?
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
xp he's completely oblivious about nuance, so I'm sure he has
it's like that article about how the television show people had to get him to stop referring to lil jon as "uncle tom" -- it wasn't that he didn't know it was bad, it was that he thought it was funny he was saying a bad phrase, but it was also obvious he had absolutely no idea what an "uncle tom" was or any idea of context
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
PDP was running w the kind of schtick that has been South Park's bread and butter for decades. not just SP though, ironic racism is par for the course for edgy modern comedy, even progressive Colbert had his "ironic" asian/latin stereotypes as re-occurring gags. i think the joke is meant to be "We are so far past this stuff that it's absurdly beyond us (and kitschy) to indulge in archaic styles of exploitation". it is a form of privilege denial that makes one oblivious to the fact that they are just spreading more hate.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 February 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link
that's what made Colbert doing it so much more egregious than SP or someone like PDP imo, he should've known better
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 February 2017 22:50 (seven years ago) link
former GameGrumps member JonTron turns out to be a white supremacist and a racist. starts talking about the greatness of America's "founding stock" despite having Hungarian and Iranian parents. tries to make an argument against immigration but then goes into black crime rates.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352025
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:09 (seven years ago) link
gaming so white it turns nonwhite people white
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 00:48 (seven years ago) link
that's really fuckin sad
― Nhex, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:10 (seven years ago) link
no idea who the guy is but when real life becomes Shock Corridor it's like damn
i think the joke is meant to be "We are so far past this stuff that it's absurdly beyond us (and kitschy) to indulge in archaic styles of exploitation"
― 0 / 0 (lukas), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:20 (seven years ago) link
do you need to be a shithead to be a gaming youtuber or does being a gaming youtuber turn you into a shithead?
i see pewdiepie has been doubling down on the nazi 'joeks' again too:
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/b4xsyutcda5niu4gk4pw.png
― im a male feminist, i have a fleshlight just to eat it out (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 10:59 (seven years ago) link
the subject of milo came up at work yesterday and i spent a while trying to explain to a colleague what gamergate was and how milo used it as a vehicle to gain further notoriety. unsurprisingly she was nonplussed by the whole sorry affair and i was deeply disappointed to discover just how much info about gamergate i had retained :(
― im a male feminist, i have a fleshlight just to eat it out (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 11:03 (seven years ago) link
I've retained too much weird conspiratorial shit. I was talking to a friend yesterday who explained a recent lunch she'd had with a retired ex-coworker. Apparently this woman launched into a series of conspiracies, one after the other, and completely believed it all -- billionaire/politician sex slave rings, local crime so bad she needed to carry a gun (she had a gun in her purse), and of course... chemtrails.
Where was this retired person getting her news, since she claimed the news media only reported lies? Youtube.
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
retired coworker otm
― not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 14:17 (seven years ago) link
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
yeah if u ever scan t_d on reddit (pls don't do this) you'll usually find 2-3 links per fresh front page that are youtube clips. basically anyone can publish anything they want and as long as it's reinforcing the narrative somebody will believe it fully regardless of the absurdity of the claim. hell, kyrie irving believes the Earth is flat and he's frequently flying internationally and not falling off the edge of the world so idk what really is truth anyway
― art, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 14:19 (seven years ago) link
http://kotaku.com/scumbags-harass-woman-for-working-on-mass-effect-andro-1793410647
Jesus Christ
Starting with the transformation of a game’s sometimes silly character animations into a conspiracy, and then later a scandal in which the data points waver between incomplete and meaningless, the cycle isn’t new by this point.
― SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Sunday, 19 March 2017 11:39 (seven years ago) link
http://kotaku.com/underwhelming-gay-romance-options-in-mass-effect-andro-1793677330
Since it was released, Andromeda has been criticized about how it handles gay romance options, particularly for male characters. On neoGAF, Reddit, unofficial BioWare forums, and on Twitter, there are hundreds of pages of complaints, with many people accusing BioWare of treating gay romance as an “afterthought.”
― 1staethyr, Monday, 27 March 2017 21:14 (seven years ago) link
http://www.polygon.com/2017/4/20/15369210/palmer-luckey-trump-donation
sigh/lol
― Nhex, Thursday, 20 April 2017 15:23 (seven years ago) link