General fighting games thread

ohhhh THAT series! I played Matrimelee, which was hilarious and awesome (and i think had a weird crossover with Double Dragon), one of the last MVS games

It's odd that Virtua Fighter doesn't have more tournament cred because it's better tuned for competitive play than pretty much anything else.

Waku Waku 7 was flippin' great. Dandy J and the whole cast was wonderful, but it should be known forever for the game with the mighty BONUS KUN
http://i.imgur.com/sT29eRC.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htNVFAeykvE

re: Melty Blood, i feel like there was this gradual build up of fan/doujin fighting games in the early 2000s that somehow went pro. Looking it up now, i see they're the same company that made those fun Queen of Heart games and Glove On Fight

never heard of Dark Awake or Death Cargo, will do some research!

Although I had enjoyed them all at some point, my main problem with Tekken, Soul Calibur and Dead Or Alive is that it taken too long to watch the movelist demos let alone learn all the moves.

I looked up Death Cargo, seems like it might be a vaporware scam, which is kind of hilarious

Kings of Kung Fu looks terrible, and it's Early Access (read: will probably never be finished) but's only a few bucks right now on Bundle Stars, and I admire their blatant love of Shaw Brothers and the like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?t=125&v=_qx295spTto

oops. let me try that again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qx295spTto

Looks terrible but I do love that almost all of the characters are recognizable from movies i have loved.

Decent deal on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - All Star Battle for PS3, $20, no tax, and free shipping if you have Amazon Prime. I don't expect this game to be available for too much longer, so I grabbed a copy.
http://www.bandainamcogamesstore.com/JoJos-Bizarre-Adventure-Battle-PlayStation-3/dp/B00KBB4CB6

So Streetfighter 5 has Ryu, Chun Li, M Bison/Vega, Charlie/Nash, Cammy and Birdie so far. Can't they give some of these guys a rest? I hope there will be more new guys than in 4.

Probably not, unfortunately. I have this feeling that internally Capcom looked at the mostly-new cast of SFIII as a failure and they've been backpedaling away from new characters ever since, like at most you can have four new people in a game. (And who expects any of the new characters from IV to appear? Poor ELF.)

The hope is kind of half hearted too because even if the cast was 90% new, they'd probably mostly look like j-pop stars or bland anyway.

After seeing Yoshimitsu's great new octopus costume I wonder why he looks consistently great in every game redesign yet few of the new characters look so imaginative. Do they get a different artist to design the different characters?

I think that returning characters probably have more lassitude because you can establish an awesome look without having to tie it to a coherent moveset? If this was Yoshimitsu's first Tekken then it'd be pretty confusing with the alien and the octopus and the sword and the pogo and the helicopter.

Which is not in any sense to take away from the fact that Yoshimitsu is completely baller.

Haha indeed he is

http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/9/8923583/street-fighter-5-sdcc-2015-san-diego-comic-con-capcom

Glad at least they're (somewhat) making Ken a new-ish character

Aw, Shippuden 4 got delayed to February

I'm interested in the "simpler" fighting games coming out -- Seth k*ll*an's Rising Thunder, Pocket Rumble, David Sirlin's Fantasy Strike. Supposedly the gameplay in the Rising Thunder alpha is already at a releasable state.

Sirlin' turning Fantasy Strike into an actual fighting game? Ha! Talk about snakes and tails..
Didn't know about Rising Thunder, will have to look into that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qxVDOc-oV8
Things of Beauty: Super Smash Bros. as Spectator Sport

I could never get seriously into Smash for various reasons, but I really like this video

yeah, that's interesting; thx for sharing

A bunch of new SF5 characters with interesting moves, (like Tekken they've added an Arabian guy). Karin was a lot of fun in SF Alpha 3.

Teaser for King Of Fighters 14 is really disappointing. I knew they were going with 3d but it looks very modest.

I like Laura's look and moves. Very happy to see Karin and Mika back.

LOL https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/them-s-fightin-herds#/

Just preordered SFV to get access to the second beta round. Getting antsy waiting for the beta code to be emailed to me from Best Buy...

Somehow I missed this. It's from May.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UaXhe_XPsU&t=9m36s

Starting at around 9:30.

good god

http://shoryuken.com/2015/12/05/snk-playmore-bringing-the-last-blade-2-to-playstation-4-vita/

http://mattrifiedgames.blogspot.com/2015/11/my-emerging-love-hate-relationship-with.html

As someone who loves story/single player modes in fighting games I definitely agree with several points in his article. (I wish Battle High 2 didn't have such terrible graphics. Maybe I'll still grab it as a lark - it's free/pay-what-you-want on PC.)

Injustice 2 pre-leaked prior to E3, looks like... I'm in

it has loot crates and microtransactions

argh. i imagine it's gonna be a mess competitively. i'll just have to enjoy the single player mode, i guess

It's EVO time! Psyched to watch the SFV finals on ESPN tomorrow night.
Been watching the SRK streams - they have five this year! - and three guys from my local flew out there to participate so I'm more invested than usual.
Man, I wish I was good at Marvel. Just started getting into Guilty Gear Xrd Revelator and still trucking along w/SFV.

https://i.imgur.com/XvRNfDa.png

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/simply-a-smashing-timea-visual-tour-of-super-smash-con/

http://www.polygon.com/pc/2016/9/17/12952688/harambe-vs-capcom-video-game-trailer

I see there's a ROM hack attempt at balancing ST, incorporating the better bits of HDR.
http://www.strevival.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=122

This guy Xanadu from KOF 14 is hilarious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKNAc6p0aAw

what... what is his gimmick??

Ultra Street Fighter II coming to Nintendo Switch... both classic and HDR graphics, two new palette swaps, no word on gameplay changes. I don't plan on getting a Switch so I don't really care.

really weird for a Nintendo system to finally get a port of HDR so many years later

so from what Justin Wong and others were saying

- SF4 throw teching. throwing command is the original. i guess it removes tic throw loops, but still...
- no old characters! way to remove half the game
- akuma has very low life, otherwise he's ST Akuma
- chun's stored super charge is gone
- sagat's tiger knee is dp motion (f, d, df) instead of d to uf

Been getting back into SFV lately due to the huge amount of Season 2 changes, it's a meaty update. Helps that Laura got so many buffs :) Splurged on the Season 2 Character Pass too, not gonna grind out the Fight Money this time. (Plus I would like to buy some stages/costumes this year with FM)

Also put some time this weekend into GGXrd -Revelator-. Great game, though I fear like Marvel the intensity/frequency of input might be too much for me to play competitively. But I'm having a surprising amount of fun just playing with the single-player (and hilarious chaotic and broken) M.O.M. mode. Each character itself is like an entirely different game, so I feel like I'm gonna have to put more time than I actually have into this to explore everyone to decide on a main, though I've enjoyed the weirdness of Ramlethal and Raven so far.

This year's looking pretty good already between Tekken 6, Injustice 2, the next GGX update, and so on... and if the Switch port of Smash comes out this year, I might jump onto that just out of the sheer popularity of the game at locals and online.

Also, after about twenty years of sticking to pads (after beginning on sticks in the arcade back in the late '80s/early '90s) I finally broke down, shelled out the cash for a TE2+ FightStick. No regrets; hitting buttons will always be super fun.

Uh bad double use of "stick" but you know what I'm saying

Capcom might be rebalancing SFV season 2.

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/jan/27/capcom-open-another-balance-patch-pro-tour-season-begins-quick-line-yesterdays-street-fighter-5-blog-seems-suggest-it/

A lot of the changes they made in S2 were odd, giving and taking things without seeming to consider tiers. One rationale I've heard is that all of the current changes have been "in the can" since the 2016 Evo tournament, which was not a good indication of the relative power levels of the characters. For example, Nash was winning a lot around then because he had easy combos that did big damage, while Guile was considered the best of the weak DLC characters. Right before the S2 changes came out, Nash was considered mid and Guile was considered mid-high. S2 comes out and chops off Nash's legs and turns Guile into a god.

Oh, I'm sure there'll be a lot more changes coming. I mean we've only gotten Akuma and we have five more DLC characters to go, and they always sprinkle other balance patches before/after each DLC release. That said some of the more universal changes, like no more meterless untechable/invincible Shoryukens and general weakening of standing anti-air jabs, I think will stick, and good!

They stuck with very few changes in season 1, usually only changing things they deemed bugs -- although they were selective and left other buggy things in. AA jabs were probably a good choice to nerf as they made defense too good. I thought the srks were fine and nerfing them might make the characters more samey.

SRKs are the way they should be IMO regarding knockdown - the attacker should have the advantage (and not be forced to either bait or cross-up which doesn't work often due to to autocorrects). They remain invincible if you use the EX version, costing a bar seems fair to me.

here's a guy who agrees with me on the srks (and infiltration concurs)

https://youtu.be/bsC8io4w1sY?t=5m22s

I actually agree with that in principle (buffing everyone is generally better than nerfing everyone, and more "fun") but SF isn't in danger of having characters feeling too same-y (except notably the Shotokens), like Mortal Kombat or Tekken.
I stand by the SRK nerf. Seriously, Ryu is always plenty strong in these games.

for honor? its not sf-style but its pvp match fighting. don't know how good the controls are, it was fun to watch on twitch. i plan to try it on the next beta

Love Injustice 2. Sure competitively, it'll probably be terrible, but I just love the effort and characters and tone and feel and so on.

didn't see that one coming tbh

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— Cristiano Ronaldo (@Cristiano) September 21, 2024

I...what?

I guess it's a Being Owned by Saudi Arabia thing

Boy howdy, fighting games have a lot more mechanics than they had in the SF2 days.

Oof. Fuckin bummer.

I’ve been playing the OG ‘Garou: Mark of the Wolves’ entirely coincidentally these past few weeks. First time. One of the best fighters I’ve played tbh. Beautiful game.

Leee I agree that in SF6 the system is complicated. It's one of the most free-form systems as the drive meter can be used in so many ways. There are lots of good youtube tutorials, and also the website supercombo.gg is useful.

I am a terrible, terrible player but I'd say don't sweat the meter mechanics too much immediately - they're important as you get on but getting execution and fundamentals down is the thing and imo is more fun.

Agree on youtube - a lot of the useful starter things are called something like '[character name] rookie to diamond tutorial' & are well guided.

i've been watching an 8-hour cammy rookie to diamond video and it's excellent. won a few matches today employing some of these ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by4B_gIoT84

I really liked his Sakura tutorials for SFV - they were excellent at getting you to do just a few things that work, then building on that. When I actually get some time to re-commit to 6 it's Cammy for me & I will be following (tho Akaraien's rookie to diamond for her also looks pretty good)

I wanted to learn Manon but I didn't see a rookie -> Diamond video for her; I checked out a Juri one instead, and after it talked about pokes, I was completely lost with the bar at the bottom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMz_9giZ654

Yeah ceelows is good, I got decent with Kage in SF5 from his guide, something satisfying about sticking to a very basic toolset and slowly adding to it instead of improvising everything you know sweatily

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ah yeah maybe it wasn't a great steer - I was thinking of Ceelows and Akaraien in particular. That looks like it dives into 'plus on block' explanations too early.

I've thought about Manon myself & this looks like a brutally basic guide. Maybe I'll try it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx2mkOC_Rc8

Capcom v. DECO lawsuit exhibit video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGnutyhfIL0

This video comes from a VHS tape original given to DieHard GameFan Magazine by Data East as media outreach regarding the 1994 lawsuit Capcom U.S.A. Inc. v. Data East Corp. In this first tape of evidence, a representative from Data East compares seven characters from Fighter's History to ones that Capcom says Data East infringed upon from Street Fighter II.

ceelows deleted his youtube channel. Akaraien it is.

Fuck. Retiring from SF6

Not making any money from youtube apparently? He did come across a bit bitcoin/hustle bro when I used to look in on his twitch.

tbh his SF6 vids were a bit of a step down from the SF5 ones - unedited, bit rambly and less clear on the 'when this happens, do this' front.

Ah yeah I guess when the material's less concisely edited he might have evidenced more chud tendencies, the SF5 stuff was pleasingly all business, even if the videos were 8 hours long

I guess the SF5 new character toolset of "safe poke, reliable anti-air, safe blockstring, punish combo you can consistently do / don't fucking jump all the time" is fairly easy to translate to other characters or games

Yet to even test out Terry B or do much with Bison

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In my very limited experience VF seems like the most elegant of fighting games, a profound game, & it saddens me that I will never have the tiniest bit of competence at it.

VF6 was announced at the game awards

limited hype for vf6 from me because i'm expecting sega to royally fuck it up. at least the changes in revo seem conservative enough to not ruin everything and rollback (if good, tbc yet) is huge

thanks for the beta notice. i haven't touched a VF in so long, i gotta try this

So Capcom Cup happened. The big story is that a 15-year-old got to the finals. Noahtheprodigy also got into the top 8. He first showed up in FGC events when he was 8 years old, playing a Hulk team in MVC3. The younguns are taken over with their superior reflexes.

I don't think the final winner has won a major before, other than his Capcom Cup qualifier.

Interesting... makes sense we'd eventually see a newer generation break through

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Maybe it's too early to say, but apparently the new Fatal Fury is bombing pretty hard. According to some reports, SNK's owners were expecting massive returns. Fighting games can obviously do good business but it's been a much more niche genre for quite some time now... though perhaps not as long a time since the last game with Fatal Fury in the title (before the millennium!). If they really thought all that Ronaldo nonsense was going to attract the masses, they were pretty deluded.

the samurai showdown reboot coming out with awful online play right before rollback netcode became industry standard was unfortunate, thats the best game they've made since the classic days but wasn't given the ability to catch on.

people have been wary of them ever since the saudi prince bought them as a vanity thing and the ronaldo etc nonsense was the vindicating moment. the fg folks i know who check out pretty much every new fighting game weren't interested in this one after that

i havent played anything in quite a while, i was waiting to jump back in on the next big anime fighter once GG Strive runs its course but that may never come at this rate. maybe VF6 will be fun

Yeah some people were definitely put off by the Ronaldo "appearance" (he didn't even record any voice work or anything, so it's more akin to a Fortnite skin or something); I'll bet some people were hoping his fans would make up for that by flocking to an expensive non-football game - more fool them. Extensive advertising at wrestling and boxing events seems to have had no effect either. I must give that SamSho game a go sometime.

Another Capcom fighting collection is out tomorrow. I've made peace with the fact that we'll never see a new Darkstalkers or Rival Schools or non-SF Capcom Fighter game again (which means I might get a pleasant surprise someday...) so it's great to have these collections of the arcade originals.

I have to admit, the Ronaldo announcement killed the enthusiasm I had for the game (as well as that goofy DJ character, to a lesser extent) when I was already on the fence about spending the full $60 on it

I'll pick up CFC2, probably wait until it's $10-20 off, i didn't even open the Marvel collection but bought it for posterity as I will this one

Yeah I was the same with Fatal Fury, Ron and the who-the-fuck-is-this-guy useful idiot DJ just foregrounded the grossness a little bit too much, I was otherwise fairly enthusiastic about it

I'll also probably buy the new Capcom collection and then not play it because those games didn't have much single player stuff and I can't get psyched up enough to play online

The PS1 era 3D games are fun but definitely show their age now. Capcom Fighting Jam is the only clunker in the collection, a rushed hackjob with awkwardly mismatched sprites and some of the worst backgrounds I have ever seen. There's a context for it, but it's a bit of an farcical end to their 2D fighting run.

I don't do much online play myself; what I find is that after a few weeks, the scene is largely dominated by "experts" who flatten me one fight after another. Not fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooMm_xsRRyw

A characteristically game performance from Kenny here

Sagat, Viper, Alex...Ingrid

c. viper is such a cool character - her combos in 4 were so fun

It's a good reveal video. I like them trolling with Ingrid.

I'm seeing a lot about Ingrid on my feed atm, I had no idea she was apparently such a "hated" character. Granted, the game she features in is a bit of a mess, but I don't really get it lol

Nice to see another SF3 fighter

I just went past a double decker bus in South London completely covered in a Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves ad. Why yes, 15ft tall Rock Howard, this is the most bizarre and ill-fated marketing push I've ever seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbfrV5qqnU
Strange that Marvel given their license to Arc System Works