every link I am now getting to about this and other related/similar things is making my stomach knot up.
Yep. I haven't been contributing much to this thread because for a lot of the time I've been feeling genuinely quite sick and afraid every time I read something about it. The Clickhole article was the first time I've actually had a proper hearty laugh at the situation in what feels like a long time.
― emil.y, Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:35 (nine years ago) link
Serious Q: how common is this sort of severe internet harassment for women with an internet presence? Is it primarily women in *chan-friendly* fields like gaming or is this just standard now? I mean not just getting hate comments but actually being attacked in more serious ways like the woman who had her games' metacritic score bombed, got personal threats, had her company targeted, etc.? Like hate mail doesn't seem like a new thing but this stuff does.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
SeanieSkykiller @SeanieSkykiller 4h4 hours ago
@ClickHole Yes that whole last paragraph where you connect #GamerGate with harassment has no sources, why?
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link
Serious Q: how common is this sort of severe internet harassment for women with an internet presence? Is it primarily women in *chan-friendly* fields like gaming or is this just standard now?
In gaming it's very common
BTW, after Felicia Day posted a blog about how she has been afraid to speak out she got doxxed within an hour
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link
I have plenty of female friends in the music world who have been harassed to the point of death/rape threats. My personal presence online is super bland and fairly restricted but I know that even that isn't necessarily a barrier to harassment.
xposts to Hurting
― emil.y, Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:45 (nine years ago) link
(To clarify, not "harassed to the point of death, also rape threats" but "harassed to the point of death threats and rape threats".)
― emil.y, Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I have read about specific incidents before but it is suddenly hitting me how pervasive this is.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 00:51 (nine years ago) link
It used to be massively common even a long time ago in places like IRC chatrooms. If you went online with an obvious female name, BAM instant skeeveball PMs. And if you rejected/told them to GTFO you'd be called slut/lesbian/i know where u live/etc/start another chatroom bagging you out etc.
― Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:05 (nine years ago) link
This is basically why I never ever play MMORPGs or other online linked gamnig - i just CBF dealing with this shite.
study circulated a lilwhile ago scientists made a bunch of twitter bots that all tweeted the same stuff, the ones with overtly female profiles got ~100x more harassment
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:10 (nine years ago) link
The new phenomenon mostly seems to be the coupling of this kind of harassment with the power to actually do anything beyond say offensive stuff.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:23 (nine years ago) link
jesus christ, doxxing felicia day like ten seconds after she spoke thoughtfully and honestly about her past trouble with stalkers. there isn't an epithet scathing enough to describe these assholes.
― you little affront to god (reddening), Thursday, 23 October 2014 01:53 (nine years ago) link
looool https://twitter.com/AdrianChen/status/525108164640112640
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Thursday, 23 October 2014 02:49 (nine years ago) link
@tinybaby 35m35 minutes ago@AdrianChen @max_read congratulations to Adrian Chen on accepting his new position as head of #GamerGate
lol
― Clay, Thursday, 23 October 2014 03:00 (nine years ago) link
ROBERTO EBOLAÑO @Arturo_Ulises 2h2 hours ago@tinybaby @AdrianChen @max_read Don't let go of that Triforce, Adrian! #GoldenPower
Adrian Chen @AdrianChen 2h2 hours ago@tinybaby @max_read thanks. it wasn't easy. I had to bully thousands of nerds.
― Gumbercules? I love that guy! (Trayce), Thursday, 23 October 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link
lol this dude tried to actually give Gamergate useful advice to make it a more legit advocacy group: http://www.zenofdesign.com/dear-gamergate-please-form-a-consumer-organization-kthxbye/
it was not appreciated:JEWS says: October 3, 2014 at 6:38 am
no, fuck off
an organization like GAMR would act as a massive BOTTLENECK for #GamerGate’s effectiveness
this manifesto is bad and you should feel badReply
JEWS says: October 3, 2014 at 7:10 am
i’m feeling generous enough to rebut you point-by-point
2. a “congress” cannot faithfully represent an amorphous group of people that anyone can enter and leave anonymously 3-5. see 2 6. this is slacktivism 7. #burgersandfries and /gg/ 8. see 2 9-10. /v/irgins have done this for years and we’ll continue to do it 11-12. see 2 13. i seriously hope you’re kidding about the mailing list 14. see 7 15. this deprives us of agency as an audience 16. irrelevant to gamergate
0/10, see me after class pete Reply Adam says: October 3, 2014 at 5:52 pm
An excellent response from a guy named JEWS. Reply
Eatmyshit says: October 3, 2014 at 8:48 am
You can just eat shit out of my asshole. You suck, your games suck. You’re human garbage. Swallow your own tongue.
― JoeStork, Thursday, 23 October 2014 06:35 (nine years ago) link
funny to see the "you guys should have a platform and officers!"/"no that's the point!" occupy debate repeated as disingenuous farce
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 23 October 2014 06:57 (nine years ago) link
next time is tragedy iirc, thatll be fun
― local eire man (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 October 2014 09:33 (nine years ago) link
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― kelly sleater's pro kinney (how's life), Thursday, 23 October 2014 10:39 (nine years ago) link
Re: the harassment, none of GG seem to have any idea of filtering bias (for all that they're about "This is clearly fallacy #23") - that all harassment of pro-GG is brought breathlessly and unexamined to them, and the anti-GG harassment only turns up when it gets in the news, when it is generally accompanied by a reason why it's fake - there are seriously people on the pro-GG side who believe that Anita Sarkeezian only got a death threat once, and they've seen an imgur saying it was fake, so...
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 23 October 2014 13:17 (nine years ago) link
xp lol yup, poor gamersgate
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:05 (nine years ago) link
hueg so I don't want to post it directly but this is kinda lol:
http://abload.de/img/imagevls58.jpg
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
that's great!
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
Hehe.
"Either ignorant or lying, which is it?" is always the best rhetorical checkmate.
― jmm, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
as someone vaguely following this whole thing, the overall sense i get is of a bunch of maladjusted kids & young adults flailing around hopelessly and everyone else pointing at them and saying Look at how Bad these people are and it's all very one-sided and i'm not sure why you'd even frame it as a debate
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:33 (nine years ago) link
one-sided?
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
Maybe the women being targeted don't find it "one-sided" in the way you mean.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
xp oh man that comic is fantastic
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
love that max post, but in general i'm pining for the time when i was ignoring this and wasn't hate-reading GG tweets.
― festival culture (Jordan), Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:42 (nine years ago) link
unfortunately my second thought after "what a great comic" was "how long til some shut in doxxes the artist"
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
Perils of the Lady Gamer pt. 1 if you're interestedhttp://www.shaenon.com/ladygaming.html
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
yeah those are good
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 October 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
this manifesto is bad and you should feel bad
― lag∞n, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
one of the scarier things about the internet is it allows people to grow up in an environment where actions don't have consequences
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
what, you mean like Wall Street bankers? *rimshot*
― Nhex, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:35 (nine years ago) link
i can't even tell serious posts from fakeposts anymore https://twitter.com/uurow1/status/525066805896032258
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:39 (nine years ago) link
looks like a real account to me, but who knows maybe it's *false flag* lolhttps://twitter.com/uurow1
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
Pixel Knight @uurow1 · 16h 16 hours ago#Gamergate hates women, despite loving games like Uncharted, Legacy of Kain, Jak and Daxter, Assassin's Creed, and King's Quest.
guys we love women so much we love these games with male protagonists
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah what does that mean are those games that women were involved in developing? Games with female characters? I need a gamer translator/guide for all this.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
i think the former? kinda missing the forest for the trees there tho 'pixel knight'
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
Let us remember all the shit Jade Raymond(who just split Ubisoft for Occulus?) got 7 years ago when AC was first released.
― Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
otm
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
the eurogamer story i read on her announcing her resignation was still filled with oafs commenting on her appearance
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
Pixel Knight @uur0w1 · 16h 16 hours ago#Gamergate hates women, despite loving games like Uncharted, Legacy of Kain, Jak and Daxter, Assassin's Creed, and King's Quest.
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
all of those games have what passes for "strong female characters" in video games
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
i'll bet dollars to doughnuts pixel knight's never played king's quest and is just boosting his pro-women cred by mentioning it
fuckin fake geek boys smdh
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
hey, king's quest 4 and 7 had women protagonists!
― ciderpress, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
i take it all back i am now on board with #gamergate #notyourshield
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
*casts a throwaway primary vote for Herman Cain because not racist*
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 23 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
Amy Hennig wrote the scripts and was creative director for all the Uncharted games (recently departed now making unannounced Star Wars game at EA)
I *think* they may think that Amy worked on Jak & Daxter, which she may have a little but certainly wasn't one of the main ppl behind that, she would have still been at Crystal for a lot of that
Amy was one of the principals on Legacy of Kain back at Crystal in the day
Jade Raymond was lead on AC
I don't know that much abt King's Quest
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 October 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link