Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

i'ma luigi. nambar wan.

oh man my old college roommate used to say "yeah, peach has got it" in a squeaky ass voice all the time. mad nostalgia.

http://images.wikia.com/logopedia/images/6/63/Bobs1.jpg

I never played the Horde side of WoW with any regularity so I didn't realize that the trolls were all Jamaican until way way late in the game when I started a troll character because I was bored. Reading the quest text for most of the starter area was PAINFUL.

there's a ton of gender normalization in movies too, yeah?

im def not saying that movies are immune but i dont think you can make the argument that movies even approach the overt O_O aspects of video games wrt either of these

(I also used to play WoW with the sound off and either Vent or iTunes going, so I missed a good chunk of the voice acting)

oh yeah for sure, and movies as a genre are much more mature. but it seems to me that anytime you throw a lot of money at a project (either a blockbuster movie or a blockbuster game) you're gonna end up w/ some pretty unreasonable gender representations

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

also feel like games HAVE to make gamers empathize w/ the game in a way that movies do not - movies can take more risks that way

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I always thought Tomb Raider the movie was made just to quiet all the feminist groups that complained about the video game, saying things like "no REAL woman could possibly look like that", well, lo and behold

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

re: relative badness of video games to movies, for that to be true then the racism/sexism would have to be toned down in game-to-movie adaptations, and it seems like in most cases it just got worse.

Can you give an example of this? I think in many cases, it's more the medium of being presented something as a movie rather than a game making it easier to notice the source material's dodgier aspects.

i know i am probably missing some counterexamples here but it seems like the new fallout stuff has actually done a pretty good job of avoiding these pitfalls considering what a massive game francise its been

oh man I remember reading an interview with the creators of the first Tomb Raider game where the art director almost verbatim said "you're spending 20 hours staring at this character's bum so it might as well be a nice one"

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

there are a few real actresses I'd like to introduce you to

casual sexism is pretty accepted in rap music, along with casual homophobia and racism in the form of anti-semitism

I remember an interview with the creators of Tomb Raider, a few months before it came out, where they were like "if you're gonna spend the whole game looking at a butt it may as well be a really nice ass, high five broooooooseph *jumping chestbump*"

WTF??? Xpost

hahahaha

ha there is probably something to the idea that the minute graphics got past the 8-bit stage the next logical progression was for game designers to think "oh shit now we can model T&A far more accurately"

has anybody ever seen Z S and DJP in a room at the same time before

boob slider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_or_Alive_Xtreme_Beach_Volleyball

also in movies you actually have real actresses whereas if you're making a game you can just crank up the boob slider

... why does my lizard lady have tits.

This thread is comedy username gold

wd play all the games with massive shadebobs

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=shadebobs&tbm=isch

Seriously didn't see that since I'm Zinging it and I'm slow. that interview was apparently very influential for us!

The Dead or Alive series spent an inordinate amount of time working on a super accurate physics engine just so they could claim to be the fighting game with the most realistic breast bounces

lol this was xposted by dayo

there's something to the argument that the fleshing-out of things is responsible, and that more sophisticated graphics/sound enables greater racism/sexism, but the dodgier aspects of movies are made dodgier by the movie. it's not as if it somehow revealed ugliness lurking beneath, e.g. casting leguizamo as luigi in super mario movie.

They didn't really say broseph - it was a more innocent time.

there's some interview w/ the doa creator where he says he cares about the physics so much because he considers all the female characters his daughters or something

wait, why is Leguizamo worthy of mention but BOB HOSKINS isn't

hoskins transcends race and racism?
i'm pretty sure battleship: the movie is going to contain all sorts of jingoism and boobplay that wasn't inherent in the game.

IGN: Is there by chance a trampoline game in DOAX2? We think that would be an excellent addition to the mini-games.

Itagaki: So we have to pick from a long list of minigame ideas and I'm pretty sure trampoline minigames were part of the initial list, but we didn't pick it. That's because of the kind of game that DOAX2 is; we have to be really careful not to make it seem vulgar. Certain activities show the women in a negative light.

So it's not so much about bouncing per say. The key to the game is love. When they love the character, how do they feel when they see the character do whatever she's doing? We don't want to make them feel bad.

(Laughter.)

GN: It seems like that game is ripe for a wet t-shirt contest.

Itagaki: Well, it becomes the issue of love again.

IGN: So that's too far?

Itagaki: You don't want your girlfriend being seen in a wet T-shirt contest, right?

IGN: No, not mine. But it's OK for me to see other people's girlfriends... (Laughter.)

btw here is the male figure you get if you set the "body type" dial all the way to its biggest setting on Star Wars: The Old Republic, and then there is the female option at the same chunkiest setting
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6995/000grzxh.jpg

don't know if you guys can see the slight disparity, i mean it is pretty subtle

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6995/000grzxh.jpg
sry, am bad at ilx

lol Battleship: The Movie is maybe stacking the deck a tiny bit, considering the video game context in which this conversation started

DOA3 is actually the only game I'm embarrassed to own; I bought it because the fighting got good marks (and it was a decent fighting game, if not really comparable to the Big Games) and shortly afterward they announced the beach volleyball game and I basically just wanted to die

one thing i can definitely say about saints row 3 is that it is absolutely neutral when it comes to making characters morbidly obese

the gameplay footage of Saints Row 3 make it seem to be flat-out insane

also I am lolling pretty hard at SW:TOC's pie disparity

oh ha trust me, SR3 is def insane. its also insanely racist and sexist while at the same time weirdly seeming completely not either. this is hard to explain.

well part of it is that if you just go over the top offensive towards EVERYONE, it's hard to feel like anyone is getting singled out

yeah thats pretty much it, when you are rolling around town beating anime nerds to death with a huge purple dildo the gloves are already off

well part of it is that if you just go over the top offensive towards EVERYONE, it's hard to feel like anyone is getting singled out

― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 4:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

except that this is exactly how horrible d-bags excuse their horribleness all. the fucking. time.

wait jjjusten you are degloving nerds with a giant purple dildo?

I'm watching gameplay footage of SR3 and it's just a lot of crotch punching

like basically the difference between the GTA series and the Saints Row series in how they come across to me in their presentations is that I feel like GTA is trying to Tell A Story that I really have no interest in and also find at its core somewhat offensive, whereas Saints Row is basically just an excuse to string incidences of mayhem together with little concern for logic, character identification or plausibility

having not played either game series, I don't know if those impressions actually make sense

except that this is exactly how horrible d-bags excuse their horribleness all. the fucking. time.

in most cases, those horrible d-bags aren't horrible to, say, their white bro friends, which massively undercuts their excuses

there is also a difference between humor in entertainment and behavior in polite society and how a comment may be true in one of those contexts and false in the other

So, Mario was voiced by Ahmed Best all along?

IGN: No, not mine. But it's OK for me to see other people's girlfriends... (Laughter.)

plz god remove IGN from this earth thx.

having these people provide voices doesn't bother me as much as the game being named Mewgenics lol

"Someone who has different beliefs than you" oh fuck off, this ultra-moderate patronising shit is always the worst. People who want to curtail the rights of others to exist and to be seen are not having a difference of opinion that can be debated to a resolution you smug piece of shit

mcmillen is weird because he really does seem to be only an edgy dumbass and nothing more. he's the sort of guy who you might have expected to go fully off the right-wing deep end by now but hasn't and has just stuck to this sort of detached trolling, which feels almost quaint? some of these choices are in incredibly poor taste even for him though

feels very 00s internet style naive, which tracks because hes an old newgrounds guy who makes games about poop and pee and probably isn't very online

Yay Steam. https://www.theguardian.com/games/2026/feb/16/bigotry-steam-pc-moderation-developers-speak-out

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/this-is-personal-for-me-creators-of-game-about-suing-murderous-billionaires-cancel-microsoft-deal-and-join-no-games-for-genocide-boycott

https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116355757033992032

for those tracking John Carmack's descent into right wing total moral disorientation, he's now at "Palmer Luckey should buy Wired and do to it what Elon Musk did to Twitter".
he's full fash at this point. totally gonna deliver AGI by 2030 though.

that's not totally surprising, but very disappointing nonetheless